What do demons or angels look like?

PJ54

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You are exactly right. Think of it this way, Jehovah and Jesus, created the sun and stars. Perpetual nuclear explosions. Think of the infinite power they have to be able to create that. Then think what kind of "body" they would have. I imagine they exists in a similar form as the sun and stars. They are spherical. They do not need arms and legs, they exists as energy, and create their own means for physical observations. Look at everything in creation that is spherical. It's way beyond our comprehension and understanding.
Basically, they became pure untethered consciousness.
 

PJ54

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Yes, I was gonna say...Are you sure the W.T. isn't behind this one? lol...
There is a god of confusion out there ...with all the random dates in his arsenal. I am starting to see this as a red flag for believing ANYTHING!
Plus, the conditions on what it meant to be good & bad seemed a little skewed. I know some folk don't eat meat & that's totally understandable. However, there are people who are just getting by. The saying "beggars can't be choosers".
 

PJ54

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I have given a lot of thought recently to the concepts of life and death. What they mean and what free will means. I have some interesting ideas floating around in my head that may or may not be relevant.

To the point of your question, which is valid, what Jesus gave up was a life with endless possibilities. A life with meaning and experiences unique to itself. Jesus was the only perfect man on earth. There is no indication he would have died of "natural" causes. Had he steered clear of the ruling powers, might he still be alive today? With his wisdom and knowledge, what could he be today? We will not know because he gave all of that up.

Jesus' life was different from the angels that materialized bodies prior to the flood. They were engaged in some sort of experience while on earth but their experience differed in that they were not natural-born humans. They weren't actual flesh and blood. They created biological automatons and imbued them with procreative genetic garbage that resulted in the Nephilim (and possibly human-animal hybrids). They were not birthed from a human woman as Jesus was. So the experience was not the same. Also, they returned to the spirit realm under their own power. Jesus had to rely completely on Jehovah's ability to restore him to his spirit-self with everything exactly as it was before. That was part of the journey.

So the sacrifice is not the automobile in your illustration, it's the journey. His journey continues but elsewhere, with a different destination, and likely with less freedom.

Which brings me to the concept of free will that I have been pondering. When I consider what the fallen angels have given up, I think, "why?" The answer is, free will. They could not possibly believe that the outcome of their disobedience will result in anything other than eternal destruction. It is basically "suicide by God" (sort of like the phrase "suicide by cop"). They were basically done living whatever their life was before. Whatever tasks they were given or would ever have. They were done. So why not go out with a bang? One last big hurrah to end it all. Whatever they want to do until the ride stops and they're dead.

Where I think this concept becomes interesting is with Jesus and the 144,000. They are basically giving up the option of "suicide by God". They will never die. Period. So whatever assignments they receive for all eternity it will be their duty to perform. No exceptions. No "punching out". Basically, a sort of slavery from a certain perspective.

Please don't misunderstand. I would assume whatever role and assignment they get will be amazing, fulfilling, and awesome. However, I would also expect that to be true of the angels. Yet here we are. They decided to punch out via suicide by God. Both angels and humans will always have the option to disobey God and end their life. Anytime and for any dumb reason, just like Adam and Eve, we can punch out.

So what does all of the above mean? Paradise is no guarantee of happiness. The angels dwell in the presence of God and yet decided they were done with their journey. No chemical imbalance could explain it away. No inherited imperfection. They simply chose to use their free will to end it all. There will be a large number of people at the end of the thousand years that will also choose suicide by God (Revelation 20:8). I have no idea why but they will. Despite living in what will be a physical paradise by then, they will have no desire to live it any longer.

I guess Solomon really nailed it in Ecclesiastes 2. Enjoy the moments we have now because of our hard work and friendships. Love others and help make their journey in life awesome. Learn to love Jehovah and explore his majesty. If we focus only on ourselves and what we want, well, suicide by God is always a plan B.
The 6th chapter of Ecclesiastes comes to mind. I hope it's not the case but anything is possible.
 

Nomex

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My brother saw a demon once! He looked like a KKK Grand Dragon! So yes, the Democrat Party is the Party of Satan! (Not joking BTW.)
 

Soul Sage

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Fallen angels are considered as demons. Angels and demons look the same. Just like how an evil person may look beautiful in appearance and how a good person may look ugly, each has their own appearance and personality. Angels do have certain powers though that demons do not as Jehovah cast Satan and his demons out of their heavenly realm. And there are different types of angels, some more mighty than others but there are also many mighty demons, like the demon known as the Prince of Persia and how it took Michael the archangel to overpower that mighty demon. Daniel 10:13 for reference.
 

DR74minus

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The angels dwell in the presence of God and yet decided they were done with their journey. No chemical imbalance could explain it away. No inherited imperfection. They simply chose to use their free will to end it all.

Satan and his demons I suspect were not satisfied with what they had, and coveted what did not belong to them? Maybe they got greedy?
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I know spirits are invisible to us, but I'm sure that doesn't mean they can't see each other. So they likely look like something. I imagine since we are made in God's image, that we all kinda have a similar appearance. Found an interesting video on the subject. It's worth checking out.

I believe that the bible describes one or two angels, and I think satan was supposed to be beautiful. I always assumed that as spirits do not have a body as we know it to be, and that they were more or less present in some other substance not visible to us with our scope within the light spectrum. Maybe they can be seen in other parts of the spectrum.
 

DR74minus

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I assume because they were free to do whatever they wanted in the interim.

Obviously they were not free to do whatever they wanted. It is evident that were free to choose. Only two choices. Do the right thing or the wrong thing? Jos 24:14, 15, We only have two choices, Life or Death. Jehovah does not force us to do either, but he does train us to do the right thing. Why Satan, the demons, Adam and Eve, chose the wrong fork? They, Jehovah and Jesus know/knew.
 

The God Pill

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Going back to Adam as a priestly figure in Eden Hosea 6 refers to Adam breaking the eternal covenant of peace as a comparison to the wickedness described in the chapter including that of the priests.
 
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JulioG

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What sacrifice did Jesus make?
asking questions is fine... but if we begin to philosophize reaching conclusions contrary to the word of Jehovah, such as saying that Jesus did not give his life, it is cause for alert for oneself. As for your illustration of the cheap and expensive vehicle, I think it is incomplete... what Jesus did is more like if an acquaintance asks you to borrow your expensive vehicle for a week and he lends you his, which is cheap, and you have what to fix with that...is that or is it not a sacrifice on your part to your acquaintance?
 

The God Pill

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Mark 10:45 (kingdom interlinear) καὶ also γὰρ for ὁ the υἱὸς Son τοῦ of the ἀνθρώπου man οὐκ not ἦλθεν came διακονηθῆναι to be served ἀλλὰ but διακονῆσαι to serve καὶ and δοῦναι to give τὴν the ψυχὴν soul αὐτοῦ of him λύτρον ransom ἀντὶ instead of πολλῶν. many.
 
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Zane

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... saying that Jesus did not give his life,

Oh i truly believe that Jesus DID give up his life for us.
I just think that common thinking goes against that since it is believed that he is alive in heaven.

:)
 

Nomex

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Oh i truly believe that Jesus DID give up his life for us.
I just think that common thinking goes against that since it is believed that he is alive in heaven.

:)
Jesus sacrificed his human life. Adam did not loose a spirit life. So when God transferred Jesus life into the life of a human, Jesus still had to give up that human life permanently, and put faith in Jehovah that Jehovah would resurrect him back to the spirit realm. Also, Jesus had to give up any offspring he could have had as a human. By choosing to do God's will and allow his life to be sacrificed, he also sacrificed any ability to start a new perfect race of humans. As a perfect man, the perfect gene would be dominant, so if it had been Jehovah's will Jesus could have started a new perfect human family, and that would have condemned all of Adam's offspring to death, because there would have been no mediator for us, and the issue of a perfect man obeying God would have been settled that way. Instead however, Jesus went along with Jehovah's plan to redeem mankind, Adam's offspring which would require a perfect human sacrifice, and the sacrifice of any perfect human offspring of Jesus, and so Jesus in effect also adopted Adam's offspring as his own human offspring since that was part of the redemption and legal contract set in motion when Jesus sacrificed his human life and seed.
 
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Zane

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Jesus sacrificed his human life. Adam did not loose a spirit life. So when God transferred Jesus life into the life of a human, Jesus still had to give up that human life permanently, and put faith in Jehovah that Jehovah would resurrect him back to the spirit realm. Also, Jesus had to give up any offspring he could have had as a human. By choosing to do God's will and allow his life to be sacrificed, he also sacrificed any ability to start a new perfect race of humans. As a perfect man, the perfect gene would be dominant, so if it had been Jehovah's will Jesus could have started a new perfect human family, and that would have condemned all of Adam's offspring to death, because there would have been no mediator for us, and the issue of a perfect man obeying God would have been settled that way. Instead however, Jesus went along with Jehovah's plan to redeem mankind, Adam's offspring which would require a perfect human sacrifice, and the sacrifice of any perfect human offspring of Jesus, and so Jesus in effect also adopted Adam's offspring as his own human offspring since that was part of the redemption and legal contract set in motion when Jesus sacrificed his human life and seed.

Me: Is he alive?
You: Yes.
Me: Then he didn't give up his life.

We all sacrifice a potential future with every decision we make.
Do we turn left or turn right at the fork in the road?
Turn left, sacrifice what your life would have been had you turned right?
That is not sacrificing your life.
That is choosing which life you want to live-out.

But as i said before, i truly believe that Jesus DID give up his life for us.
I just think that common thinking goes against that since it is believed that he is alive in heaven.

:)
 

Truth_Seeker

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God is under no obligation to provide salvation for any man, because all men are by nature sinners. The salvation of sinful man could bring no profit to Jehovah. It wasn't necessary for Jesus to come on earth as perfect human being and to produce this way a perfect race. God can very well let all humans die and then create a new race and by that race prove the devil a liar and prove Jehovah's supremacy. It pleased God to do otherwise because He is unselfish and as such provided an opportunity through Jesus sacrifice for the redemption of the fallen human race.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life." John 3:16
 
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MickHewitt

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Encouraging is Proverbs 8:31 Not out of duty did Christ obey His Father.
God is under no obligation to provide salvation for any man, because all men are by nature sinners. The salvation of sinful man could bring no profit to Jehovah. It wasn't necessary for Jesus to come on earth as perfect human being and to produce this way a perfect race. God can very well let all humans die and then create a new race and by that race prove the devil a lie and prove Jehovah's supremacy. It pleased God to do otherwise because He is unselfish and as such provided an opportunity through Jesus sacrifice for the redemption of the fallen human race.
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life." John 3:16
 
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