Why is the Memorial Being Observed On Purim instead of the Passover, Nisan 14?

Seadog

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I don’t know about you Seadog, but what with people here arguing about whom should be taking the emblems, who is or is not anointed, what constitutes the mark of the beast, and now lunar leap years, I am beginning to see the depths that Jehovah plumbs in His patience. I’m as confused as you are. Do you know if there is a time and date we can rely on? I do not have anyone to observe the memorial with but I would like to acknowledge the event at the correct day if not the actual minute. 😇
Well I just want to be obedient to Jesus command to commemorate and would love a definitive answer.There are members here who seem to grasp completely subjects whistling over my head and would really love not to be complicit in masonic mind/reality bending either with the correct date to commemorate or in fact whether as a non anointed follower of Christ to be participating??????
 

KingdomLeast

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Keep in mind that the term “Passover” is appropriately used to describe the events of either the fourteenth day of Nisan on which the lamb was originally slain, or the fifteenth day of Nisan on which the feast was begun. In modern times, a lamb is no longer slaughtered by the Jews so that less emphasis is placed upon the fourteenth day and the current Jewish calendar does not give it any significance. It is the fifteenth day which is now exclusively emphasized, commemorating the feast and the exodus from the land of Egypt. This explains why the Jewish calendar marks only the fifteenth day of Nisan as the “Passover” (the major portion of the day, but not its actual beginning). The previous day is the fourteenth of Nisan, and it is this day that concerns us.

Further, because the Jewish day commences at six o’clock in the evening, Nisan 14 actually begins on the day marked Nisan 13 on the Jewish calendar. After six p.m. on the day shown as Nisan 13 is the appropriate time for our Memorial celebration. So, whatever day the Jewish calendar states the Passover is on, is actually Nisan 15, so observe the memorial the day before. This here the Jewish calendar says Passover is on Monday, April, 22. Thus we should observe the Memorial on Sunday, April 21.​
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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There is an interesting article in the Watchtower- March 15 , 1994 about a dispute that arose over when to observe the- Lord's Evening Meal , about the year 155 C.E. , Polycarp of Smyrna who had years earlier observed the Lord's Evening meal with John the disciple of our Lord.

Polycarp visited Rome to discuss this and other problems with Anicetus an overseer of The Roman Congregations.
Anicetus believed that the Lord's evening meal should be observed on Sundays, while Polycarp, a representative of the Asian Congregations, believed it should be observed on Nisan 14 , based on the authority of the apostles before him.

Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp to observe it on Sundays, nor did Polycarp persuade him ( and the Roman Congregations ) to observe it on Nisan 14.
Anicetus appealed to the custom of previous elders in Rome. Polycarp based his stand on the authority of the Apostles.
So this had gone on for some time, and the dispute remained unsettled.

The question that could be asked is - where was a Governing Body - to make these decisions for the Congregations ?
A very salient point - where was the governing body - the printing press was not invented until 1440AD (FrIday evening at 7.38pm just as Mrs Gutenberg had prepared her last supper before going to bed early).
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Well I just want to be obedient to Jesus command to commemorate and would love a definitive answer.There are members here who seem to grasp completely subjects whistling over my head and would really love not to be complicit in masonic mind/reality bending either with the correct date to commemorate or in fact whether as a non anointed follower of Christ to be participating??????
I sympathise. My mind is a sea of ambiguity. Yet one thing that helps clear the fog for me in certain areas of doubt is “reasonableness” in understanding. I do not think that the bible is primarily a book of facts to be understood, but a pathway that justifies faith in what is understood of it. By degrees in fact. Faith builds upon itself - upon its foundation - and forms an aggregate of compound interest. The parable of the Talants. Faith builds upon faith. Its foundation is the heart condition that leads it to seek for faith and understanding. A love of righteousness.

With the anointed, how can the calling be clear to others who do not experience such an event? So to look for an explanation from another is pointless. How can a colour blind person explain colour? My nephew sees a green sky! It’s normal to him. Likewise is our existence. Would we not know then if the Holy Spirit were given us? Surely we would unless we deceive ourselves and mistake emotion for it. The heart deceives.

Yet in this matter, if we look plainly at the insight given us in text, it points to a select few, a different venue of existence, a different hope, a sight in the the mind to which others are excluded and cannot see, let alone entertain a valid, conscionable hope for. The question then is how can we participate meaningfully if we do not understand the calling? To participate without certainty is mere ritual - meaningless. To observe though - that is different. To understand what we observe is to recognise love, salvation and sacrifice in its ultimate form and to appreciate that within our heart - and we are rewarded by doing so according to our station in understanding, our receptiveness to the Word in measure of our faith. If we cannot sense that in our heart, then of what value is the time and venue in celebrating it?

The date does not validate the sacrifice. Neither the venue. But the understanding of it and the love in righteousness and sacrifice that it represents. The time and date, heightens these senses but they have to be there in the heart already if they are to be appreciated and our appreciation found to be acceptable. Thus the relevance to our understanding is also significant.

Do we doubt our calling? Do we understand the significance of the 144,000? Do we likewise appreciate the garden of Eden and its meaning for those that are born into this life with appreciation for that gift? I think it underestimated in so many ways. Even the angels desire such an existence but see also their rightful place in Jehovah’s creation. Did not the heavens resound to the sound of their applause? Why, we may ask, is it to be desirable to be in a place simply because it is elevated in our mind? We should rather instead, be appreciative of the place we are certain of in our lives. That is what the sacrifice is for is it not, so that such a purpose can be fulfilled as intended? This unnecessary conundrum is what creates our uncertainty in participation or observance. It would be to our advantage just to leave such a question alone and rather put our faith in being instructed. Surely the teacher would not leave us ignorant?

As time is different all over the world, as seen by the observer, then surely we should dwell on what the date is for, rather than time itself. What it means to us is far more important. How we assimilate it in our lives. All I want is exactly the same as you - to know a date and the approximate time. The rest is a fervent prayer for wisdom and the understanding of it to be enhanced in my mind. Don’t worry about the masons - this is an issue solely of the heart. No one can touch it. Only Jehovah. He is not going to fail to appreciate our heart condition in reaching out to thank him for all that He has done for us through Jesus. Or our place within it.
 

Seadog

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As time is different all over the world, as seen by the observer, then surely we should dwell on what the date is for, rather than time itself. What it means to us is far more important. How we assimilate it in our lives. All I want is exactly the same as you - to know a date and the approximate time. The rest is a fervent prayer for wisdom and the understanding of it to be enhanced in my mind. Don’t worry about the masons - this is an issue solely of the heart. No one can touch it. Only Jehovah. He is not going to fail to appreciate our heart condition in reaching out to thank him for all that He has done for us through Jesus. Or our place within it.
Thankyou Barnaby. My heart is at peace.
 

KingdomLeast

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There seems to be some disagreement whether we are supposed to partake or not, but even if I was observing the memorial at home I doubt I could afford that much wine and crackers.
130 years ago in the April 1, 1894 Watch Tower

"It is left open for each to decide for himself whether he has or has not the right to partake of this bread and this cup. If he professes to be a disciple, trusting in the blood of the New Covenant, for forgiveness of sins, and consecrated to the Lord's service, his fellow disciples may not judge his heart. God alone can read that with positiveness."​
 

noname

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Its quite possible that today is the true spring equinox and therefore the 24th is the true date. Times and date come from the cycles of the stars, the suns path and moon cycles. The modern calender is completely incompatible with nature. And thats why we have to buy a new calender every year, we should only have one calender for all time that we can cycle through. Jews and atheists are not only retarded but deceptive.
 

David Peter

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A very salient point - where was the governing body - the printing press was not invented until 1440AD (FrIday evening at 7.38pm just as Mrs Gutenberg had prepared her last supper before going to bed early).
Always bringing the humor , that's some funny stuff - thanks Barnaby, yes the printing press needed to be invented to make the Governing Body more powerful. I guess that's your point , in a funny sort of way.

But we were always taught that the Governing Body was formed at the very start , from the Jerusalem community of elders that met to resolve important issues brought up, as in Acts 15 .
I don't agree with that.
So my point was - IF there was a Governing Body deciding important issues for the Congregations. Why - in just a short time after the Apostle John's death, do we find that there wasn't any Governing Body formed to decide what one would think- is such a very important issue ! ---
As to how and when to observe the Lord's evening meal ? The most important gathering for Christians.

Just an observation.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Always bringing the humor , that's some funny stuff - thanks Barnaby, yes the printing press needed to be invented to make the Governing Body more powerful. I guess that's your point , in a funny sort of way.

But we were always taught that the Governing Body was formed at the very start , from the Jerusalem community of elders that met to resolve important issues brought up, as in Acts 15 .
I don't agree with that.
So my point was - IF there was a Governing Body deciding important issues for the Congregations. Why - in just a short time after the Apostle John's death, do we find that there wasn't any Governing Body formed to decide what one would think- is such a very important issue ! ---
As to how and when to observe the Lord's evening meal ? The most important gathering for Christians.

Just an observation.
That’s very true. From what I understand, once the apostles were gone the cohesion within the congregations fell apart and the likes of the “superfine apostles“ flourished. Power must have been localised within the congregations given that communication then was at walking pace. I suppose, given the prophesy, it had to start sooner rather than later for it to culminate in what it is today. But so did the congregations grow to establish what was to become christendom when its popularity was seized upon by Constantine in the third century. It all corrupted into clergy - and which come to think about it, is what the Governing Body have established for themselves - though their garb are gold rings and status….and outrageous ties! And as the bible points out, the congregations gladly gave away truth and spiritual discipline in exchange for having their ears tickled for them…”.having a form of Godly devotion but proving false to its power.” Thus the congregations sanctioned their own local leaders. I think when I joined the witnesses there was still a “presiding overseer” and a head guy at bethel. I recall thinking as they were so revered “it must be the truth….why would they lie…?” What an idiot!!
 

CathiiD'Anthonii

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movThat’s very true. From what I understand, once the apostles were gone the cohesion within the congregations fell apart and the likes of the “superfine apostles“ flourished. Power must have been localised within the congregations given that communication then was at walking pace. I suppose, given the prophesy, it had to start sooner rather than later for it to culminate in what it is today. But so did the congregations grow to establish what was to become christendom when its popularity was seized upon by Constantine in the third century. It all corrupted into clergy - and which come to think about it, is what the Governing Body have established for themselves - though their garb are gold rings and status….and outrageous ties! And as the bible points out, the congregations gladly gave away truth and spiritual discipline in exchange for having their ears tickled for them…”.having a form of Godly devotion but proving false to its power.” Thus the congregations sanctioned their own local leaders. I think when I joined the witnesses there was still a “presiding overseer” and a head guy at bethel. I recall thinking as they were so revered “it must be the truth….why would they lie…?” What an idiot!!
After doing a little research, it makes a person wonder where this term " governing body" came from. The Christian Greek Scriptures referred to "the older men", no doubt ones that witnessed Christ face to face. They were centered in Jerusalem . That being written, is this term "governing body " a term made up by the WT? In the 60's we had the committee of three brothers, then the Elder arrangement came in. Some good , some very bad, and it seems that when one of the bad ones came in, they did not last long, as if Jehovah himself helped them leave, removed them, they moved away, with little or no notice, whatever..that was a long time ago..I always thought it was Jehovah' hand..
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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After doing a little research, it makes a person wonder where this term " governing body" came from. The Christian Greek Scriptures referred to "the older men", no doubt ones that witnessed Christ face to face. They were centered in Jerusalem . That being written, is this term "governing body " a term made up by the WT? In the 60's we had the committee of three brothers, then the Elder arrangement came in. Some good , some very bad, and it seems that when one of the bad ones came in, they did not last long, as if Jehovah himself helped them leave, removed them, they moved away, with little or no notice, whatever..that was a long time ago..I always thought it was Jehovah' hand..
Hello Cathii, the more I learn of the elder arrangement, the more convinced I am of the corruption and control issues of the GB. They appear to be puppets of financial handlers. I really am surprised at their recent updates. They are so superficial in relevance to the message of the truth that the lowliest of creation speak louder than they do of Jehovah and Jesus. What is the sum total of this years updates? Beards and extended disciplinary procedures translated as love. It reminds me of the church I went to as a child. It had inscribed above the Roman arched doorway in beautiful medieval script, “One day in thy Courts is worth a Thousand spent elsewhere.” Looking back on my life as a witness with its losses, pain and vacuity of true faith, I can see the value of those words now. I have learnt more in a day here reading from the truths of others actually seeking Jehovah, than I ever did from the hands of watchtower and the years I spent there. If watchtower had a purpose, I think it may well have been to provide a pathway here.
 

Charming Primrose

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You are right sister. The organization itself has in the past said that to calculate the date of the Commemoration, you must observe the NEW MOON after the spring equinox. From the first sign of the observation of the NEW MOON, 14 days are counted to find out the date of the 14th of Nisan or Jewish Passover. This year it falls on April 22, not March 24. Greetings!
I believe this to be true
 
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