Will all human society ultimately descend into complete chaos?

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500100118_univ_lsr_lg.jpgThis week's JW.org banner snippet bears the headline: ARE PEOPLE CHANGING FOR THE WORSE?

It is, of course, a bygone conclusion that people are changing for the worse. It has been an ongoing process really dating back to the First World War, which shattered the Victorian era of civility. Obviously, though, in recent years the process is accelerating. That is not to imply that the last days have already begun.

As I have pointed out many times, the prophecy that foretells that the last days will be critical times hard to deal with does not indicate that society will be gradually debased over the course of the last days. No. The last days will be hard to deal with because people will already have become lovers of themselves, self-assuming, headstrong, unthankful, and all the rest.

Trying their hand at foretelling the future, the Watchtower poses the question: "Will all human society ultimately descend into complete chaos?" They then provide their answer: "No. Human society will not break down completely. Instead, God will soon remove the people who are determined to violate his standards."

Jehovah's Witnesses have an old saying that prophecy cannot be completely understood until after it is fulfilled. That's probably true. However, the problem is that the WT has declared many prophecies to have been fulfilled already, thus effectively obscuring any expectation of any sort of future fulfillment. According to the teachings of the Watchtower virtually the entire book of Revelation has already been fulfilled, except for the destruction of Babylon the Great and Armageddon.

But that presents numerous insurmountable problems, assuming the GB actually had to coherently explain their teachings. Consider just one aspect. The opening of the sixth seal betokens the utter collapse of human society. In case you missed it according to the WT the 6th seal was opened more than a hundred years ago. That is just one example of the utter nonsense Jehovah's Witnesses are required to accept as the most nutritious spiritual food ever served.

The 13th chapter of Ezekiel proclaims woe for the stupid prophets who fabricate their own prophecies. Is that not exactly what the GB has down with their phony interpretations? And I got bad news for the GB. Jehovah is not going to bail them out by intervening to prevent human society from suffering a total collapse. Anyway, at least the coming crash of civilization will get everyone's attention and put the stupid prophets out of business.

 
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Truth_Seeker

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"Behold, Jehovah maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the creditor, so with the debtor; as with the taker of interest, so with the giver of interest to him. The earth shall be utterly emptied, and utterly laid waste; for Jehovah hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the lofty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is polluted under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are found guilty: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The waste city is broken down; every house is shut up, that no man may come in. There is a crying in the streets because of the wine; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone. In the city is left desolation, and the gate is smitten with destruction. For thus shall it be in the midst of the earth among the peoples, as the shaking of an olive-tree, as the gleanings when the vintage is done."
Isaiah 24:1‭-‬6‭, ‬10‭-‬13
 

Truth_Seeker

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"Wherefore, behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will execute judgment upon her graven images; and through all her land the wounded shall groan. Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall destroyers come unto her, saith Jehovah. The sound of a cry from Babylon, and of great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans! For Jehovah layeth Babylon waste, and destroyeth out of her the great voice; and their waves roar like many waters; the noise of their voice is uttered: for the destroyer is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, their bows are broken in pieces; for Jehovah is a God of recompenses, he will surely requite. And I will make drunk her princes and her wise men, her governors and her deputies, and her mighty men; and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is Jehovah of hosts. Thus saith Jehovah of hosts: The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly overthrown, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the peoples shall labor for vanity, and the nations for the fire; and they shall be weary."
Jeremiah 51:52‭-‬58
 

Truth_Seeker

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And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. For all the nations have fallen because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich from the excessive wealth of her luxury.” For this reason in one day her plagues will come, plague and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the Lord God who judges her is strong. “And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of sexual immorality and lived luxuriously with her, will weep and mourn over her when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance because of the fear of her torment, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’ “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargo any more— The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of the fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘Woe, woe, the great city, she who was clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls; for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and all who make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, Then a strong angel picked up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will never be found again. And the sound of harpists, musicians, flute players, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again; and no craftsman of any craft will ever be found in you again; and the sound of a mill will never be heard in you again; and the light of a lamp will never shine in you again; and the voice of the groom and bride will never be heard in you again; for your merchants were the powerful people of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your witchcraft. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
Revelation 18:2‭-‬3‭, ‬8‭-‬11‭, ‬15‭-‬17‭, ‬21‭-‬24
 

Truth_Seeker

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There will be social collapse just before the final end comes.

Oh, the uproar of many peoples Who roar like the roaring of the seas, And the rumbling of nations Who rush on like the rumbling of mighty waters! The nations rumble on like the rumbling of many waters, But He will rebuke them, and they will flee far away, And be chased like chaff on the mountains before the wind, Or like whirling dust before a gale. At evening time, behold, there is terror! Before morning they are gone. This will be the fate of those who plunder us And the lot of those who pillage us.
Isaiah 17:12‭-‬14
 

Truth_Seeker

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"Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered to fight against the one riding the horse and against his army. The beast was caught and with it the false prophet who had performed in its sight the signs by which he led astray those who had accepted the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped its image. The two were thrown alive into the fiery pool burning with sulfur. The rest were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the one riding the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."
Revelation 19:19‭-‬21

Since the Beast and the false prophet are man made institutions they can't literally be burned with fire. They will be dismantled first and then the total destruction will come.
 

MickHewitt

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"Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered to fight against the one riding the horse and against his army. The beast was caught and with it the false prophet who had performed in its sight the signs by which he led astray those who had accepted the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped its image. The two were thrown alive into the fiery pool burning with sulfur. The rest were killed by the sword that came out of the mouth of the one riding the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh."
Revelation 19:19‭-‬21

Since the Beast and the false prophet are man made institutions they can't literally be burned with fire. They will be dismantled first and then the total destruction will come.
Jude7 presents fire as everlasting judgement. Judgement will be lasting and final.
 

Truth_Seeker

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Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying, “We give You thanks, Lord God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Revelation 11:15‭-‬18
 

MickHewitt

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Of course this is very useful when you don’t want to receive the mark of the beast 🤦‍♀️
I viewed a posted Bethel morning worship breakfast with Tony Morris 2yr back, he was justifying any 'perceived mistakes' to that of the steward who was entrusted with the masters domestic affairs and they were doing just as that steward did in Luke16!
 

Sunshower

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I viewed a posted Bethel morning worship breakfast with Tony Morris 2yr back, he was justifying any 'perceived mistakes' to that of the steward who was entrusted with the masters domestic affairs and they were doing just as that steward did in Luke16!
I would hardly call receiving the mark a “perceived mistake”. But hey, what do I know? Tony Morris has a very trustworthy newspaper from 1914 saying “This is it!” He knows, man. He knows. 😉
 

Zane

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(Matthew 24:36-42) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. 41 Two women will be grinding at the hand mill; one will be taken along and the other abandoned. 42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

(Luke 17:26-30) Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. 29 u. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed.

(1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3) For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

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