World War Three - How did I Know?

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When I was disfellowshipped back in 2005, the very last thing I said to the brothers of the judicial committee as they were putting on their jackets in the foyer was: "There is going to be a third world war." Then I turned and walked out the door never to return to that Kingdom Hall. No doubt they dismissed my comment and have never given it a second thought since. And why should they? The Governing Body is Jehovah's sole mouthpiece. If God wants JWs to know anything he will get in touch with some member of the GB. After all, the Scriptures say: "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." - Amos 3:7

And yet, here we are on the edge of a global conflagration. Some say WW3 has already begun. Certainly, the sabotage of the Nordstream and the annexation of eastern regions of Ukraine have made war unavoidable. Since war between the nuclear-armed nations and global financial collapse is imminent why has the WT not said a word about the world's present situation? The Bible explains: "For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries." - Isaiah 29:10

The irony is that because the WT insists on unity, or more correctly uniformity, it means whatever error the WT espouses must be believed by all. Thus, they are united in falsehood, not in truth. On the other hand, I am just an individual. I am not bound by the organization's rules. Back about 20 years ago when I started e-watchman I had shortly prior to that realized 1914 was a hoax. Consequently, WW1 could not have been the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy concerning nation rising against nation. Because I believe every word in the Scriptures I knew back then that there would be a third world war, even a nuclear war. (Here is a Mailbag question from 2006 asking why I promote the view that there will be another world war.)

Jehovah's Witnesses will soon be forced to ponder how it is possible that the exalted GB could have been so wrong and an outcast, vilified as an apostate opposer, could have been right.
 

SeaGull

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When I was disfellowshipped back in 2005, the very last thing I said to the brothers of the judicial committee as they were putting on their jackets in the foyer was: "There is going to be a third world war." Then I turned and walked out the door never to return to that Kingdom Hall. No doubt they dismissed my comment and have never given it a second thought since. And why should they? The Governing Body is Jehovah's sole mouthpiece. If God wants JWs to know anything he will get in touch with some member of the GB. After all, the Scriptures say: "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." - Amos 3:7

And yet, here we are on the edge of a global conflagration. Some say WW3 has already begun. Certainly, the sabotage of the Nordstream and the annexation of eastern regions of Ukraine have made war unavoidable. Since war between the nuclear-armed nations and global financial collapse is imminent why has the WT not said a word about the world's present situation? The Bible explains: "For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries." - Isaiah 29:10

The irony is that because the WT insists on unity, or more correctly uniformity, it means whatever error the WT espouses must be believed by all. Thus, they are united in falsehood, not in truth. On the other hand, I am just an individual. I am not bound by the organization's rules. Back about 20 years ago when I started e-watchman I had shortly prior to that realized 1914 was a hoax. Consequently, WW1 could not have been the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy concerning nation rising against nation. Because I believe every word in the Scriptures I knew back then that there would be a third world war, even a nuclear war. (Here is a Mailbag question from 2006 asking why I promote the view that there will be another world war.)

Jehovah's Witnesses will soon be forced to ponder how it is possible that the exalted GB could have been so wrong and an outcast, vilified as an apostate opposer, could have been right.

I have a question:
Are they still officially sticking by answers like printed in the reasoning book here?: (it's on p 241, 242)


[‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’


You might reply: ‘That’s an interesting question, and the answer highlights the fact that we really are living in “the last days.” How? Well, part of the sign given by Jesus involves war between nations and kingdoms. But what would happen today if fulfillment of the sign required that we wait until another all-out war were to break out between the superpowers? Such a war would leave few if any survivors. So, you see, God’s purpose that there be survivors indicates that we are now very close to the end of this old system.’ ]

I'm just wondering what jws are being instructed to say to their bible studies and interested persons etc. I'm very curious. Has anyone heard?
 

kenmuldoon55

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I have a question:
Are they still officially sticking by answers like printed in the reasoning book here?: (it's on p 241, 242)


[‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’


You might reply: ‘That’s an interesting question, and the answer highlights the fact that we really are living in “the last days.” How? Well, part of the sign given by Jesus involves war between nations and kingdoms. But what would happen today if fulfillment of the sign required that we wait until another all-out war were to break out between the superpowers? Such a war would leave few if any survivors. So, you see, God’s purpose that there be survivors indicates that we are now very close to the end of this old system.’ ]

I'm just wondering what jws are being instructed to say to their bible studies and interested persons etc. I'm very curious. Has anyone heard?
242)

[‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’


Simply assuming that this generation fits end times prophecy is ludicrous.
 

SeaGull

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242)

[‘How do you know that some future generation won’t fit the prophecy even better than this one?’


Simply assuming that this generation fits end times prophecy is ludicrous.

Thanks @ kenmuldoon55 , -I agree,
What I was wondering is - if any who are PIMO , or similar - know what it is like in the FS for the jws now, because it seems it would be awkward for them, since they were not expecting ww3. Are you in touch with any active jw? - and if so, - How are they answering the questions?
 

kenmuldoon55

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Thanks @ kenmuldoon55 , -I agree,
What I was wondering is - if any who are PIMO , or similar - know what it is like in the FS for the jws now, because it seems it would be awkward for them, since they were not expecting ww3. Are you in touch with any active jw? - and if so, - How are they answering the questions?
I havnt been in contact with any in the org since 1997.
That’s a great question.
The elephant in the room for them heh?
 

SusanB

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Thanks @ kenmuldoon55 , -I agree,
What I was wondering is - if any who are PIMO , or similar - know what it is like in the FS for the jws now, because it seems it would be awkward for them, since they were not expecting ww3. Are you in touch with any active jw? - and if so, - How are they answering the questions?
Excellent point. If you cannot preach a coherent message that you completely believe in, then haven’t you subverted the entire purpose of preaching?
 

SusanB

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At the beginning of Russia's invasion I heard someone say, " the Bible says no WW3". I am not kidding.
And thus why they will feel terrified when they see it (WW3). Many on this forum saw through their facade because of the vaccine or some even prior. I know how devastated I was to realize that I had been pushing a false message for 30 years. The ones still inside the congregation, by and large, have not only pushed a false message but they took a poison vaccine! It is only through terror that they will understand. I pray and hope their faith in Jehovah and his Son gets them through the shock.
 

SeaGull

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At the beginning of Russia's invasion I heard someone say, " the Bible says no WW3". I am not kidding.

In the past, I've had 2 separate occasions when I mentioned to a sister about the possibility of nuclear weapons being used, [ about 3 yrs apart]
- but both said the exact same thing to me.
" Jehovah would never allow that "

*the 1st one, - I just stared at, - as she walked ever so smugly away from the kh porch.

*the 2nd one was at my house,
- so I said -
Well, Jehovah has already allowed nuclear weapons in ww2
- and she replied - she didn't know that the 2 bombs the US dropped on Japan were nuclear. ( she was serious ) but said she would do some research.

[ very sadly, this devoted sister died a few months later from covid, after being jabbed, and all booster-ed up 4 times]

[ She was a very dear, simple, down to earth, person, - what I call a genuine human being. She didn't deserve to be lied to like that! ]
 

SusanB

Well-known member
In the past, I've had 2 separate occasions when I mentioned to a sister about the possibility of nuclear weapons being used, [ about 3 yrs apart]
- but both said the exact same thing to me.
" Jehovah would never allow that "

*the 1st one, - I just stared at, - as she walked ever so smugly away from the kh porch.

*the 2nd one was at my house,
- so I said -
Well, Jehovah has already allowed nuclear weapons in ww2
- and she replied - she didn't know that the 2 bombs the US dropped on Japan were nuclear. ( she was serious ) but said she would do some research.

[ very sadly, this devoted sister died a few months later from covid, after being jabbed, and all booster-ed up 4 times]

[ She was a very dear, simple, down to earth, person, - what I call a genuine human being. She didn't deserve to be lied to like that! ]
It is so sad. In a similar thought, 2 sisters in my old congregation who are very nice sisters and one is actually anointed, both are getting dementia now after the vaccine. It’s tough to see it happening.
 

Soul Sage

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With huge provocations from NATO towards Russia. I have an incredibly strong feeling that NATO is eventually going to turn into Gog of Magog, a coalition of nations. With all the funding they are getting and the power they now have seem incredibly powerful and prophetic. They will become the world's military arm and cause destruction and famine. Very similar to the horsemen of the apocalypse. When Ukrainian president Zelensky signed up to be part of NATO as well as the Nordstream 2 pipelines getting attacked. It just fits into prophecy so well. I do think we will be seeing fires in the sky. So much for their clean energy agenda when they are blowing up gas pipelines in the ocean and threatening to cause nuclear wastelands. They are knowingly evil and I very much looking forward for Jehovah to lay destruction upon them when the appropriate time comes.
 

kenmuldoon55

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With huge provocations from NATO towards Russia. I have an incredibly strong feeling that NATO is eventually going to turn into Gog of Magog, a coalition of nations. With all the funding they are getting and the power they now have seem incredibly powerful and prophetic. They will become the world's military arm and cause destruction and famine. Very similar to the horsemen of the apocalypse. When Ukrainian president Zelensky signed up to be part of NATO as well as the Nordstream 2 pipelines getting attacked. It just fits into prophecy so well. I do think we will be seeing fires in the sky. So much for their clean energy agenda when they are blowing up gas pipelines in the ocean and threatening to cause nuclear wastelands. They are knowingly evil and I very much looking forward for Jehovah to lay destruction upon them when the appropriate time comes.
I don’t understand what Putin is waiting for.
His whole operation to liberate the Donbass region seemed halfhearted which cost untold lives of Russian soldiers.
Some say he’s being cautious but with all of Nato’s provocations I’m starting to wonder if his strings are being pulled by someone.
 

kirmmy

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Such a war would leave few if any survivors.
And their version of Armageddon would be better?! You know, the one where only 8 million people survive.

That's just silly and shows their reasoning is so very flawed sometimes.

At the beginning of Russia's invasion I heard someone say, " the Bible says no WW3". I am not kidding.
They're in for a wee surprise, aren't they? Seriously, this shows how much damage the GB are doing to the Brothers. Only terror will wake them up... Driven beat me to it :) I'll throw in the scripture in case a newby wonders what we're talking about Isa 28:19
 

The God Pill

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Gog the principality that appears to be Satan's #2 likely controls both sides of the Nato Russia conflict while Magog is his domain allotted after Babel the bible tells us at the point of the Ezekiel conflict he has authority over Meshech and Tubal as well. An alliance of 3 fallen angel princes perhaps? In 2 Esdras Daniel's fourth beast is depicted as a three headed eagle with many feathers/wings.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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When I was disfellowshipped back in 2005, the very last thing I said to the brothers of the judicial committee as they were putting on their jackets in the foyer was: "There is going to be a third world war." Then I turned and walked out the door never to return to that Kingdom Hall. No doubt they dismissed my comment and have never given it a second thought since. And why should they? The Governing Body is Jehovah's sole mouthpiece. If God wants JWs to know anything he will get in touch with some member of the GB. After all, the Scriptures say: "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." - Amos 3:7

And yet, here we are on the edge of a global conflagration. Some say WW3 has already begun. Certainly, the sabotage of the Nordstream and the annexation of eastern regions of Ukraine have made war unavoidable. Since war between the nuclear-armed nations and global financial collapse is imminent why has the WT not said a word about the world's present situation? The Bible explains: "For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries." - Isaiah 29:10

The irony is that because the WT insists on unity, or more correctly uniformity, it means whatever error the WT espouses must be believed by all. Thus, they are united in falsehood, not in truth. On the other hand, I am just an individual. I am not bound by the organization's rules. Back about 20 years ago when I started e-watchman I had shortly prior to that realized 1914 was a hoax. Consequently, WW1 could not have been the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy concerning nation rising against nation. Because I believe every word in the Scriptures I knew back then that there would be a third world war, even a nuclear war. (Here is a Mailbag question from 2006 asking why I promote the view that there will be another world war.)

Jehovah's Witnesses will soon be forced to ponder how it is possible that the exalted GB could have been so wrong and an outcast, vilified as an apostate opposer, could have been right.
It certainly is possible to be right and the GB be wrong! I can make a similar claim in that I came to the conclusion that Jehovah is more merciful than His people. Obvious though that is, it kept me searching for 40 years because I just knew there was something else - that there had to be something else and, there was, there is. And it’s good.
 

Watchman

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It certainly is possible to be right and the GB be wrong! I can make a similar claim in that I came to the conclusion that Jehovah is more merciful than His people. Obvious though that is, it kept me searching for 40 years because I just knew there was something else - that there had to be something else and, there was, there is. And it’s good.
There are many stumbling blocks. Some of them are small and some of them are huge. The GB imply that they are prophets. True, they claim that all anointed persons make up a class, but it is the GB that is the sole voice of authority for millions of JW's. They have laid out the future in a way that does not allow much room for error. Obviously, something like WW3 would blow their 1914 doctrine to bits and stumble millions of JWs.
 

Ana

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Gog, el principado que parece ser el número 2 de Satanás, probablemente controle ambos lados del conflicto entre la OTAN y Rusia, mientras que Magog es su dominio asignado después de Babel, la Biblia nos dice que en el punto del conflicto de Ezequiel, también tiene autoridad sobre Mesec y Tubal. ¿Quizás una alianza de 3 príncipes ángeles caídos? En 2 Esdras, la cuarta bestia de Daniel se representa como un águila de tres cabezas con muchas plumas/alas.
Apocalipsis 20: 7,8- ofrecen otra perspectiva sobre quiénes forman Gog y Magog. Si el Diablo es uno de ellos literalmente, junto con dos ángeles caídos, , no puede ser que estén en la tierra durante el milenio, puesto que están en el abismo durante en ese periodo te tiempo.
 

Citrine

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And thus why they will feel terrified when they see it (WW3). Many on this forum saw through their facade because of the vaccine or some even prior. I know how devastated I was to realize that I had been pushing a false message for 30 years. The ones still inside the congregation, by and large, have not only pushed a false message but they took a poison vaccine! It is only through terror that they will understand. I pray and hope their faith in Jehovah and his Son gets them through the shock.
Agreed. I am horrified at the amount of time I spent teaching the 1914 lie. Over the years we saw “problems“ with the org but always chalked it up to us imperfect humans. It was the huge steaming cvd 💩 by the GB that woke us up. I cringe for those going back out in service. The videos of those doing the “cart crashing” are eye opening and horrific. Our friends can’t or won’t answer basic doctrine questions and none have been able to explain biblically the “overlapping generations”. It’s truly embarrassing. They all do that weird smile and glazed over look when presented with anything that challenges their cherished beliefs.
 

Nomex

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I am not bound by the organization's rules. Back about 20 years ago when I started e-watchman I had shortly prior to that realized 1914 was a hoax.
It's strange and I guess funny, in some ways how our minds work. Some time around this same time, in the early 90's I suppose, when I really started pondering the things we had been taught, and back then I was going through a very unpleasant divorce, (my witness wife cheated on me, over and over and over), and still a young man, and wondering if I really "wanted to stay in the truth." I knew there were problems in the "org", and that was part of what I was so upset about, but I concluded the things they had right I could not honestly deny, no matter what had happened to me.

Around this same time period, I began to realize there was so much that didn't make sense. I had realized that Armageddon, and The Great Tribulation were two different things, but that most JW's thought they were the same event. And with that realization I also knew that there was no chance the GT was going to happen the way they claimed, I was more or less content with what they were saying, but now as I look back I guess I had basically almost subconsciously begun to dismiss more and more, their interpretations of prophecy.

Now I realize this is why I was "struggling in the truth", why I had such a hard time being "active" and I had completely stopped commenting at meetings. But it was all subconscious and I blamed myself believing I "was not strong enough spiritually" when really a very large part of it was I was scoffing internally at a lot of what they were teaching.

So when Covid happened and I had had enough, and found your site and info, it was easy for me to understand everything you had written. I say easy, but that doesn't mean I have learned much of it, it's to be sure a lot to unpack. But its the first time since I was a kid, that I was learning again about the Bible.

And to me, it's one of the most wicked things this "evil slave" has done. They blame Christendom for "deceiving their parishioners", because they are the ones responsible to teaching "God's people", yet they are guilty themselves of that very thing!


I know I am one of the most active participants of this forum, but that has not and was not the case for me at the Kingdom Hall and I had lost almost any interest in studying the Bible. I know the Bible really well, but nothing like many here. So thank you RK, and everyone else who have so much to offer to this forum, and for rekindling in me my love of God and the Bible. I still have a long ways to go, but this last year or so has been huge. A huge relief on many levels, a renewed understanding of world affairs, a new level of understanding that I had been longing for, and I truly feel like I was a"lost sheep, wandering about without a shepherd", but finding no comfort at the Kingdom Hall and not truly understanding why.

This place is awesome!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!


And thank you again Robert for the wealth of information you have provided and been providing! And let me say this, the reason I believe it, is it's the first time any these prophecies make any sense, because it lines up with the reality of what's happening before our very eyes, and like I told one Elder when Covid started "I can't unknow what I know." :D
 
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