WT throws elders under the bus for following Bethel's instructions

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Statements of abuse allowed at Jehovah’s Witnesses pre-trial hearing

At the time they learned of the sexual abuse, Penkava and Scott contacted lawyers for the Jehovah’s Witnesses at its national headquarters in New York. Attorneys advised them that the information they received was privileged and within the confines of the clergy-penitent privilege. Prossnitz said he thinks the legal advice they received was accurate.
 

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Sure to be alot of nervous elders who have had previous dealings with CSA. I warned my former elders of this betrayal last year when the case came up.....
Remember the clip of the snarling Stephen Lett, claiming that reports of the WT being permissive toward pedophiles was nothing but "apostate-driven lies and dishonesties"? Well, according to the article the WT's lawyers ordered the elders NOT to report the crimes committed against a child even though the laws of that state required it. The Governing body is caught in yet another lie. Turns out that the apostate-driven lies and dishonesties emanate from One King's Drive in Warwick, New York

 

MickHewitt

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Remember the clip of the snarling Stephen Lett, claiming that reports of the WT being permissive toward pedophiles was nothing but "apostate-driven lies and dishonesties"? Well, according to the article the WT's lawyers ordered the elders NOT to report the crimes committed against a child even though the laws of that state required it. The Governing body is caught in yet another lie. Turns out that the apostate-driven lies and dishonesties emanate from One King's Drive in Warwick, New York

And of all thier snarls at Vatican, they take up the very role of priest confessional confidentiality! Which is only legally recognised in certain U.S States! So the sins mass up! Yes I can see Humvee's up that drive soon! I have run out of exclamations, thanks for this platform of refuge:
 
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I was abused by an elder as a child! I reported him, with proof. He's still an elder today. The police have their eyes on him though. They have proof of his guilt, and we are waiting for one more testimony, before they make an arrest.

I will say that the intake formality, explaining it to the elders, was a bit ridiculous. One elder was kind and completely awkward. The other, was cold and acted like I was stupid. I don't judge either of them because it's not my place to; I'll leave that to Jesus But I know whatever they filled out was immediately sent to the legal team at the Bethel. And they came back with the statement that they were not going to do anything because there was not enough substance to my claim. Even though there are TWO of us girls who have reported the same thing now. And we know of more...

Anyways, that's just a story for you, don't know what it's really good for. But there it is lol
 

SollaSollew

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I was abused by an elder as a child! I reported him, with proof. He's still an elder today. The police have their eyes on him though. They have proof of his guilt, and we are waiting for one more testimony, before they make an arrest.

I will say that the intake formality, explaining it to the elders, was a bit ridiculous. One elder was kind and completely awkward. The other, was cold and acted like I was stupid. I don't judge either of them because it's not my place to; I'll leave that to Jesus But I know whatever they filled out was immediately sent to the legal team at the Bethel. And they came back with the statement that they were not going to do anything because there was not enough substance to my claim. Even though there are TWO of us girls who have reported the same thing now. And we know of more...

Anyways, that's just a story for you, don't know what it's really good for. But there it is lol
It's beneficial to articulate your experience as it helps with the healing process, I pray for you dear sister. Jehovah will enact justice upon this evil man and if justice is served in this system all the better.
 
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It's beneficial to articulate your experience as it helps with the healing process, I pray for you dear sister. Jehovah will enact justice upon this evil man and if justice is served in this system all the better.
Absolutely. Thank you for your words!
 

SusanB

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I was abused by an elder as a child! I reported him, with proof. He's still an elder today. The police have their eyes on him though. They have proof of his guilt, and we are waiting for one more testimony, before they make an arrest.

I will say that the intake formality, explaining it to the elders, was a bit ridiculous. One elder was kind and completely awkward. The other, was cold and acted like I was stupid. I don't judge either of them because it's not my place to; I'll leave that to Jesus But I know whatever they filled out was immediately sent to the legal team at the Bethel. And they came back with the statement that they were not going to do anything because there was not enough substance to my claim. Even though there are TWO of us girls who have reported the same thing now. And we know of more...

Anyways, that's just a story for you, don't know what it's really good for. But there it is lol
I’m so sorry you experienced that. I knew a sister who was a pioneer, whose father (an Elder) abused her. She was marked by the congregation and not believed for 20 years. Then, her father abused non-relative children in the congregation and it came to light. He was then DF’d. But what a terrible ordeal. I was so happy for her that she did not allow that terrible experience to turn her away from Jehovah. And, I’m glad that you are doing well. Thank you for sharing your experience.
 
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I’m so sorry you experienced that. I knew a sister who was a pioneer, whose father (an Elder) abused her. She was marked by the congregation and not believed for 20 years. Then, her father abused non-relative children in the congregation and it came to light. He was then DF’d. But what a terrible ordeal. I was so happy for her that she did not allow that terrible experience to turn her away from Jehovah. And, I’m glad that you are doing well. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Oh wow, that's so so sad. I can't wait until our pain no longer is ever called to mind!

I will never leave my God; his Word sustains me. Especially now!!!

But yeah, I don't think the org is really doing it's best at taking care of any of this stuff either, for sure.
 

surfergirl

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I was abused by an elder as a child! I reported him, with proof. He's still an elder today. The police have their eyes on him though. They have proof of his guilt, and we are waiting for one more testimony, before they make an arrest.

I will say that the intake formality, explaining it to the elders, was a bit ridiculous. One elder was kind and completely awkward. The other, was cold and acted like I was stupid. I don't judge either of them because it's not my place to; I'll leave that to Jesus But I know whatever they filled out was immediately sent to the legal team at the Bethel. And they came back with the statement that they were not going to do anything because there was not enough substance to my claim. Even though there are TWO of us girls who have reported the same thing now. And we know of more...

Anyways, that's just a story for you, don't know what it's really good for. But there it is lol
Jehovah has a special place in his heart for you, Searcher!❤️ - And for others like you. Something really good is held in store you 🥰 I'm so happy you are here.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Oh wow, that's so so sad. I can't wait until our pain no longer is ever called to mind!

I will never leave my God; his Word sustains me. Especially now!!!

But yeah, I don't think the org is really doing it's best at taking care of any of this stuff either, for sure.
News like this upsets me Searcher….but just like you, I can’t wait until this pain will never be called to mind anymore!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Jehovah has a special place in his heart for you, Searcher!❤️ - And for others like you. Something really good is held in store you 🥰 I'm so happy you are here.
I was abused by an elder as a child! I reported him, with proof. He's still an elder today. The police have their eyes on him though. They have proof of his guilt, and we are waiting for one more testimony, before they make an arrest.

I will say that the intake formality, explaining it to the elders, was a bit ridiculous. One elder was kind and completely awkward. The other, was cold and acted like I was stupid. I don't judge either of them because it's not my place to; I'll leave that to Jesus But I know whatever they filled out was immediately sent to the legal team at the Bethel. And they came back with the statement that they were not going to do anything because there was not enough substance to my claim. Even though there are TWO of us girls who have reported the same thing now. And we know of more...

Anyways, that's just a story for you, don't know what it's really good for. But there it is lol
You know this is especially one thing that I’m most passionate about…I can’t stand how they have done something like this for so long and so far….have covered it up so that the rank and file do not all know! I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. I don’t care that you didn’t have 2 WITNESSES…who would want to come forward with an accusation like this unless it was true?
You keep moving forward, pray to Jehovah, and do what you have to do! Jehovah cares for orphans and widows or in this case women and children. Jehovah really takes this seriously! ♥️♥️♥️
 
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You know this is especially one thing that I’m most passionate about…I can’t stand how they have done something like this for so long and so far….have covered it up so that the rank and file do not all know! I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. I don’t care that you didn’t have 2 WITNESSES…who would want to come forward with an accusation like this unless it was true?
You keep moving forward, pray to Jehovah, and do what you have to do! Jehovah cares for orphans and widows or in this case women and children. Jehovah really takes this seriously! ♥️♥️♥️
Completely agree. But I wanted to mention that because they do have both statements, so it's absolutely shocking they're still not doing anything about it! (But maybe that's not shocking)

One amazing sister I knew, she was older and has since died unfortunately, she used to work for Children's Aids Services, and she had access to lists of local pedos. She said there were many in the halls, and they grouped together at parties and such. She knew that they must all protect each other and help cover things up for each other. So I wonder if a bit of that is happening as well, in this case...
 

PJ54

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Completely agree. But I wanted to mention that because they do have both statements, so it's absolutely shocking they're still not doing anything about it! (But maybe that's not shocking)

One amazing sister I knew, she was older and has since died unfortunately, she used to work for Children's Aids Services, and she had access to lists of local pedos. She said there were many in the halls, and they grouped together at parties and such. She knew that they must all protect each other and help cover things up for each other. So I wonder if a bit of that is happening as well, in this case...
You see it happen in Christendom so it's no surprise. There's a whole society of these people that a few decades ago had an official group called NAMBLA that made waves. Now they are called MAPS in the new generation & they are working their way into the LGBT+ community since they already got into Religion as a whole. Consider the Pizzagate situation with Hollywood & our Politicians & it just gets more weird.
 
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Ana

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Sabes que esto es especialmente lo que más me apasiona... No puedo soportar cómo han hecho algo así durante tanto tiempo y hasta ahora... ¡lo han encubierto para que la base no lo sepa! Lamento mucho que haya tenido que pasar por eso. No me importa que no tuvieras 2 TESTIGOS... ¿quién querría presentar una acusación como esta a menos que fuera verdad?
¡Sigue adelante, ora a Jehová y haz lo que tengas que hacer! Jehová cuida de los huérfanos y las viudas o, en este caso, de las mujeres y los niños. ¡Jehová realmente toma esto en serio
Noticias como esta me molestan Buscador... pero al igual que tú, ¡no puedo esperar hasta que este dolor nunca más vuelva a mi me

Noticias como esta me molestan Buscador... pero al igual que tú, ¡no puedo esperar hasta que este dolor nunca más vuelva a mi mente!
Somos rebaño, el pastor llegará, está allí, buscando a aquella oveja...my Bro.❤️
 

Ana

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¡Fui abusado por un anciano cuando era niño! Lo denuncié, con pruebas. Todavía es un anciano hoy. Sin embargo, la policía tiene sus ojos puestos en él. Tienen pruebas de su culpabilidad, y estamos esperando un testimonio más, antes de que hagan un arresto.

Diré que la formalidad de admisión, explicándola a los mayores, fue un poco ridícula. Un anciano era amable y completamente torpe. El otro, era frío y actuaba como si yo fuera estúpido. No juzgo a ninguno de los dos porque no me corresponden; Eso se lo dejo a Jesús. Pero sé que todo lo que llenaron fue enviado inmediatamente al equipo legal en Bethel. Y regresaron con la declaración de que no iban a hacer nada porque no había suficiente sustancia para mi reclamo. A pesar de que hay DOS de nosotras chicas que han informado lo mismo ahora. Y sabemos de más...

De todos modos, eso es solo una historia para ti, no sé para qué sirve realmente. pero ahi esta jajaj

¡Fui abusado por un anciano cuando era niño! Lo denuncié, con pruebas. Todavía es un anciano hoy. Sin embargo, la policía tiene sus ojos puestos en él. Tienen pruebas de su culpabilidad, y estamos esperando un testimonio más, antes de que hagan un arresto.

Diré que la formalidad de admisión, explicándola a los mayores, fue un poco ridícula. Un anciano era amable y completamente torpe. El otro, era frío y actuaba como si yo fuera estúpido. No juzgo a ninguno de los dos porque no me corresponde; Eso se lo dejo a Jesús. Pero sé que todo lo que llenaron fue enviado inmediatamente al equipo legal en Bethel. Y regresaron con la declaración de que no iban a hacer nada porque no había suficiente sustancia para mi reclamo. A pesar de que hay DOS de nosotras chicas que han informado lo mismo ahora. Y sabemos de más...

De todos modos, eso es solo una historia para ti, no sé para qué sirve realmente. pero ahi esta jajaja
Hola!!! Ey como estas? Por aquí sabemos de lo que sientes, otro mar pero las mismas olas. Aquí estoy, o por privado si te apetece. Cuenta conmigo para lo que necesites. Lo que los malos no saben es, qué los lazos que se unen en el dolor, son indestructibles y nos han hecho clamar mucho al cielo. Un abrazo inmenso!!!
 
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I've noticed since the WTBTS became pro vaccine, all the news in the media on the Googler is "Russia is mean to JWs" "look, they are pandemic helper people" "look how vaccinated JWs are!"

2019 it was all "idiots don't take blood and touch kids"

World loves what's its own I guess. Wonder what they sold for good...nvm, they sold the flock for good press.

John 10:12
I do hope they all figure it out and follow Jesus. Everyone has chance if they want it.
 

PJ54

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Hola!!! Ey como estas? Por aquí sabemos de lo que sientes, otro mar pero las mismas olas. Aquí estoy, o por privado si te apetece. Cuenta conmigo para lo que necesites. Lo que los malos no saben es, qué los lazos que se unen en el dolor, son indestructibles y nos han hecho clamar mucho al cielo. Un abrazo inmenso!!!

Translation:
Hello!!! Hey, how are you? Around here we know what you feel, another sea but the same waves. Here I am, or privately if you feel like it. Count on me for anything you need. What the bad guys don't know is that the ties that come together in pain are indestructible and have made us cry out a lot to heaven. A huge hug!!!
 
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