Peace and security - Then what?

Back to True Worship

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The beast that is dealt a death blow actually revives and its system no doubt is revived to some extent with it. Then, when the 8th King appears, things will somewhat normalize. I find it interesting that Brother Robert King has stated at the end of the 16th chapter of his book the following:

”Furthermore, contrary to what Jehovah’s Witnesses presently believe, the downfall of the seventh world power and the emergence of the eighth king is a sequential event. Expressed differently, the fatal stroke upon the seventh head of the beast is what gives rise to the eighth king. Moreover, the eighth king has not yet begun to rule. Since the eighth king “springs from the seven,” evidently the Anglo-American king not only breathes life into the image and commands the world to worship the image, but the seventh king also takes a back seat to his own Frankenstein-like creation.
The crash of the present governmental system will likely be followed by the imposition of a form of global communism. In that way, everyone on earth would be brought into a situation that no one could buy or sell without acknowledging the image of the beast. The “one hour” allotted to the eighth king coincides with the hour of test Jesus referred to in the third chapter of Revelation, where he promised the faithful: “Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the hour of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.”
The test that is coming upon the world will force all men to demonstrate their allegiance either to Satan’s “miraculously” resuscitated political beast or to Jehovah’s kingship. That is when the angel announces to the world: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived.”


So, the way I understand it is that God’s Kingdom will be ruling simultaneously via the Chosen Ones at the same time that the 8th beast is coercing people to take the mark. All will have the free choice between God’s Rulership or Satan’s. The end result will be that the 8th King will kill the Chosen Ones but then Jehovah will execute all unfaithful ones at Armageddon. At least that is how I am understanding it.
Could we say that the Anglo American is in fact doing just this ....with Biden at the helm or at least as a figure head, the US seems to be inline with the Beast and will no doubt be further inline as time goes on , I have often thought if Trump comes to power this death stroke in the form of the destruction of the economical and military power of the USA will be revived to its former glory , but for some unknown reason Trump supports the coming world Government and acts to solidify its foothold in the world. Such interesting times to be living in ...there seems to be a very multi faceted plan at work here that keeps us guessing and keeps the world in complete confusion as where , and whom to trust.
 

MickHewitt

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I have often wondered on this proclamation of Peace and Security, just who is saying it and what is its meaning. I would like to inject a reference given in the Reference Bilble of the New World Translation. In the scripture of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 the reference to they is "d" and takes us to Jeremiah 8:9. here is the connection that the WT places to they. As we know the GB says that unfaithful Jerusalem refers to Christendom and as such the nations of Christendom are the sayers of "peace and security" . And verse 11 identifies them as Jerusalem...of course you and many others of us recognize that unfaithful Jerusalem is the organization headed by the FS and GB .
Thus the ones calling "peace and security " would be the organization, and the peace and security would be their false claim to having this peaceful and secure relationship with Jehovah which would very much cause many to put trust in the organization. But the sudden destruction is caused not by Jehovah but by the ten horns and the wild beast as they devour any who claim to be christian at all. Will this be the start of the attack on the unfaithful organization of Jehovah's worshippers , which would lead to the dismantling and scattering of Gods people .


what do you think? Anyone?
They already claim to be living in a 'spiritual paradise'? What more could 'peace and security' add to such a claim? The U.N have always been the arbiters of the global peace and security and suspect they will be the pronouncers of it.
 

SusanB

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Could we say that the Anglo American is in fact doing just this ....with Biden at the helm or at least as a figure head, the US seems to be inline with the Beast and will no doubt be further inline as time goes on , I have often thought if Trump comes to power this death stroke in the form of the destruction of the economical and military power of the USA will be revived to its former glory , but for some unknown reason Trump supports the coming world Government and acts to solidify its foothold in the world. Such interesting times to be living in ...there seems to be a very multi faceted plan at work here that keeps us guessing and keeps the world in complete confusion as where , and whom to trust.
Honestly I don’t think we can say that the US-London dual world power has received a death stroke, but I think it is coming. In Hawaii the holiday shopping is usually off the charts from Black Friday through New Years and so I avoid the freeway exit ramps to those places so that I don’t get caught in the clog of cars. This year the lines were feeble but were there, just not as robust as other years. But yesterday, it was almost a ghost town at the shopping malls. That is a real world observation. Also the homeless tent cities are expanding and it’s getting scary. I think I’ll take some videos next week and post them.

I‘ve heard that Justin Timberlake, the singer, purchased a condo in Honolulu for $36 million dollars and the monthly maintenance fee alone is around $15k per mo. But just outside on the street, very close to his condo, homeless people live near the ocean rent free. Of course they have to regularly relocate when the police do homeless sweeps but then they just come back anyway. Think about when the system crashes and the police don’t go to work. It will be interesting and brings to mind scenes from Mad Max.
 
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The Black Sheep

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The February 2023 Watchtower has an article entitled Keep Your Senses Be Watchful. The 5th paragraph states:

It appears that the WT is doing some preemptive suppression of the truth that appears to be aimed at me; ironically, all in the name of being watchful. The WT will never admit that the fulfillment of their saying "peace and security" is the beginning of the end and not Armageddon. In their fantasy, they apparently imagine that they will be able to control what JW's think when prophecy is fulfilled before our eyes. For the Watchtower being united in falsehood is better than knowing the truth.
Wow. That paragraph. That’s very, very telling. Goes along with how they have said there may be direction that doesn’t make sense. Huge.
 

Watchman

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Wow. That paragraph. That’s very, very telling. Goes along with how they have said there may be direction that doesn’t make sense. Huge.
What the WT is implicitly saying is that there is no truth unless it comes from them. They are the only channel of truth. Of course, it is easy to understand why JW's don't question that because, obviously, lies pervade everything, everywhere, all the time.
 

goldie

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The February 2023 Watchtower has an article entitled Keep Your Senses Be Watchful. The 5th paragraph states:

It appears that the WT is doing some preemptive suppression of the truth that appears to be aimed at me; ironically, all in the name of being watchful. The WT will never admit that the fulfillment of their saying "peace and security" is the beginning of the end and not Armageddon. In their fantasy, they apparently imagine that they will be able to control what JW's think when prophecy is fulfilled before our eyes. For the Watchtower being united in falsehood is better than knowing the truth.

What the WT is implicitly saying is that there is no truth unless it comes from them. They are the only channel of truth. Of course, it is easy to understand why JW's don't question that because, obviously, lies pervade everything, everywhere, all the time.
And apparently the only channel for accurate news. We've been admonished to not open news articles or links that are sent to us in emails or messages. Only get your news from jw website. The only trusted reliable source!
 

CyndiaS

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Been thinking. As you know, it is near impossible to reason with Jehovah’s Witnesses. If the GB says it, then it is true. That’s the end of the matter. Yet, at some point, the residents of the modern “Jerusalem” will have to make a life-and-death decision. Jesus was quite clear about it and gave very explicit instructions: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.”

It remains to be seen what form the disgusting thing will take. However, it is becoming evident that the leadership of the WT has cut a deal with the Devil in regard to the vaccine. Still, most JWs, even if they chafe at the intrusion of the WT into their personal health decisions are inclined to endure it so as to be loyal to Jehovah. So, it will take something more impacting, something undeniable—unequivocal, to serve as the signal to flee to the mountains.

I have explored the topic of peace and security in a number of videos and articles on e-watchman. It seems most probable to me that whenever it is they are saying peace and security will come about when world leaders imagine that they have averted nuclear disaster. The visitation of “sudden destruction” will be the upheaval that brings about the great tribulation. At present, JWs are under a powerful delusion, imagining that the great tribulation will involve the destruction of Babylon the Great. If their saying “peace and security” is quite pronounced and obvious to all and yet the WT does not acknowledge it, then the sons of light and sons of day will see the light, so to speak. They will not need anyone to tell them the WT is the antichrist then, it will be open and obvious.
Reminds me of this paragraph in Feb 2023 WT. I get the point of not rushing to conclusions, but I can't help but think it's an attempt to further muzzle so called "conspiracy theorists" and also just prophecy enthusiasts/berean type jw's 😓
 

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CyndiaS

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The February 2023 Watchtower has an article entitled Keep Your Senses Be Watchful. The 5th paragraph states:

It appears that the WT is doing some preemptive suppression of the truth that appears to be aimed at me; ironically, all in the name of being watchful. The WT will never admit that the fulfillment of their saying "peace and security" is the beginning of the end and not Armageddon. In their fantasy, they apparently imagine that they will be able to control what JW's think when prophecy is fulfilled before our eyes. For the Watchtower being united in falsehood is better than knowing the truth.
Oops I just now saw this comment. Please feel free to disregard my reply to your previous post referencing this same paragraph from Feb 2023 WT.
 

SusanB

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What the WT is implicitly saying is that there is no truth unless it comes from them. They are the only channel of truth. Of course, it is easy to understand why JW's don't question that because, obviously, lies pervade everything, everywhere, all the time.
As their other statements and actions have shown, they want to replace the bible with their twisted view of scriptures and control even thoughts and conversations. Worse yet, they are refusing to wait on Jehovah to make things clear. The Catholic church banned bible ownership over the same situation. It is as though they are saying that brothers and sisters may read the bible but the GB will be the ones to explain what it means and how to understand it. And, there will be no questions and no dissent. Why read the bible at all if they will just tell you what it says and you MUST accept their understanding and never think for yourself? Apparently they have claimed all holy spirit for themselves and so there must be none left for the rest of us.
 

Back to True Worship

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It is as though they are saying that brothers and sisters may read the bible but the GB will be the ones to explain what it means and how to understand it. And, there will be no questions and no dissent. Why read the bible at all if they will just tell you what it says and you MUST accept their understanding and never think for yourself?
And it is not just the bible that you have to agree with them on , it is now medical decisions and anything the GB says is the case.
I just watched a video on banned.video about Canada's Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons saying that anyone who is an anti vaxxer is to be said to be mentally diseased....expect that to come from the GB too. LOL:D
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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No scripture ? Please stop .
It is difficult at times to counter a thought that has no scriptural basis with a scripture. There are far more issues about scripture than there is scripture. Personally, I have always found that the context gives meaning and that though no one can actually describe prophesy before it’s occurrence, part of preparedness is found in consistency and in reasonableness. Personally, I cannot prove what is written about the two witnesses as I have little depth of knowledge in the deeper meaning and relevance of prophetic scripture, and hence I need a teacher, yet as one being taught myself, I am aware of continuity and all the myriad clues, inferences, references and consistency, to what is feasible. The bible describes the articles of inspection thus: “let the reader use discernment”. If we are discerning of scripture in this way, the words of Christ are invaluable “…they shall recognise my voice…” in giving us confidence where and when confidence is required in another - thus consistency in discussion and inspection. Is it even necessary to define prophesy? It helps to show context and encourage us all, but necessary for salvation? We prepare with faith above knowledge and a love of righteousness above all else. Quoting a scripture is not a stamp of confirmation either. It’s truth is in its understanding.
 
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Jess

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As their other statements and actions have shown, they want to replace the bible with their twisted view of scriptures and control even thoughts and conversations. Worse yet, they are refusing to wait on Jehovah to make things clear. The Catholic church banned bible ownership over the same situation. It is as though they are saying that brothers and sisters may read the bible but the GB will be the ones to explain what it means and how to understand it. And, there will be no questions and no dissent. Why read the bible at all if they will just tell you what it says and you MUST accept their understanding and never think for yourself? Apparently they have claimed all holy spirit for themselves and so there must be none left for the rest of us.
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Arctic Cat

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In 2018 the former PM of Norway and ex WHO leader Gro Harlem Brundtland went out publicly stating «We are loosing control over what information people are being told» when i read the commentary to the pictures in the feb 2023 article i get the overwhelming feeling the Gb feels the same way.. if i had a coin for every time over the last few years ive gotten the response «if this really was true or important for us it would be on JW.org news» maybe i have enough to pay my rapidly increasing electricity bill😉. makes me wonder why they seem to be so dependant on fake mainstream narratives from Satans system to keep people in unquestioning submission.
 

Jennifer

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I sent one of Robert’s videos to an elder friend from my previous congregation. It was the JW assembly hall one in Denmark. He wrote back saying that he wouldn’t even be looking at it and advised me to be “careful” because I wouldn’t want to jeopardise my relationship with Jehovah. I just thought you’ve got to be kidding me! And this was before all the ‘Covid’ lies
 

SingleCell

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Thus the ones calling "peace and security " would be the organization, and the peace and security would be their false claim to having this peaceful and secure relationship with Jehovah which would very much cause many to put trust in the organization. But the sudden destruction is caused not by Jehovah but by the ten horns and the wild beast as they devour any who claim to be christian at all. Will this be the start of the attack on the unfaithful organization of Jehovah's worshippers , which would lead to the dismantling and scattering of Gods people .


what do you think? Anyone?

Completely agree - the people saying 'peace and security' are the spiritual Israelites.

The pattern was established in Ezekiel 38 (and the parallels in Isaiah, etc)

"They say 'peace' when there is no peace' to those 'dwelling in security'.

The sudden destruction is first of all, not going to be 'sudden', as we consider sudden, and will be the judgment on the house of God which initiates the end.
 

kenmuldoon55

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Completely agree - the people saying 'peace and security' are the spiritual Israelites.

The pattern was established in Ezekiel 38 (and the parallels in Isaiah, etc)

"They say 'peace' when there is no peace' to those 'dwelling in security'.

The sudden destruction is first of all, not going to be 'sudden', as we consider sudden, and will be the judgment on the house of God which initiates the end.
But hasn’t the WT always claimed to be in a peaceful and secure relationship with Jehovah since 1919 when they claim Christ then came to his temple and inspected the Lords people finding them spotless and approved?
Do nuclear powers wait respectfully for a WT announcement before embarking on a world ruining campaign?
Hmm,maybe.
 
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