Sunshower
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I saw the video but didn’t really care for her end conclusion that the Bible contains legends and myths. Also that it’s not inspired by God. Turned it off after hearing that.
2022 JW Convention
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Ms_ladyblue
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Driven,….Thank you so much for bringing all these points out on this topic.
You‘ve explained that beautifully that our worship of Jehovah does not depend on what this organization does or does not do. Yes, anyone can claim to be anointed or that God is using only them. But how do we know whether or not they’ll remain faithful?
Like you said, God’s word tells us to put them to the test.
And that’s what many of us here have done, left the organization, NOT JEHOVAH!
I know that for years I had nagging small doubts in the back of my mind about certain prophecies that we studied about. But it bothered me because I thought it meant my faith in Jehovah was growing weak.
But what I didn’t realize until about 9 months ago was, most of us were actually indoctrinated by WT so extensively we thought that if we left the “truth” it was equal to leaving Jehovah even though Jehovah was ALWAYS my main focus. I had never held these “leaders“ in high regard, EVER!
When the GB started to gain a celebrity like status I was never impressed. It wasn’t until last year that I could see clearly that they were behind promoting the vaccines and knew that Jehovah couldn’t be behind that. So, I had already been ‘putting them to the test.’
At the moment I knew for sure what was happening it was like I felt more close to Jehovah than I ever had. It seemed like he was reassuring me that he was with me still…and even more because he knew my concerns about all these things happening with the organization and to his people. I know many others who left and have said the same thing, including those on this forum and off this forum as well.
So just because many of us have left the organization, we haven’t left Jehovah. Also, the thought that it’s only up to Jehovah to tell you that you cannot worship him outside the WT is an excellent point and no man can make that judgment. Those are my exact feelings too Driven.
I may have left WT, but once it was clear to me that they were the ones who left Jehovah, it was only within a few weeks I was directed to this forum and found those of you who also left WT.
I thank Jehovah every day that he let me find this forum and all you dear brothers and sisters who still love Jehovah and worship him in spirit and truth. We need to continue to encourage and build one another up even more as we get closer to the (real) end of this old dying world.
Ephesians 6:13 “For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm.”
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I never watch videos of exJWs, but it is interesting that their issues run much deeper than just the stumbling blocks the Watchtower lays down. Obviously, such people don't have any detectable faith. The WT couldn't do much for those types anyway.
Sunshower
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True. I have only watched 2 or 3 videos from ex-JW’s and they all have this downer vibe. They don’t built up, they tear down. I heard her talk about the lack of aid for Ukrainian refugees in Poland. But she had a call from someone or an email, which to me doesn’t really scream reliable. If I were to comment I would yell: source?! Like they all seem to do on Twitter 😂
Ms_ladyblue
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@KevinB I thought of that very same scripture.
1Corinthians 7:14 “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy.”
Now what Bible was S. Lett using to support that children were enemies of God?
Sunshower
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Ms_ladyblue
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Like I trust the REAL “enemies“ of God! 😉
Patricia
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Yeah she lost me there too. Jesus believed the Bible was his father's word and quoted from it many times. If he believes, that's all the proof I need.
Nomex
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In my Hall it was super packed, and there were two families who always got their very early and would fill the back rows on the left and right sides sides. We even tried getting their earlier ourselves, but with kids you know how hard that can be. They were also locking the large second school because they said they were having a problem with people sitting in there who didn't want to sit in the main auditorium. The large second school, was to the right imediately as you entered the Hall. In other words, the main entrance way into the Hall, was in the back right, and the large school had a door in the "hallway" into the Hall. Well, I pointed out at the time they had no business policing where people say in the Kingdom Hall. It was absurd.
Oh and I forgot about this, and just remembered. If you stood in the back they'd ask you to "take your seat." Because as one elder explained to me, if people stood in the back, and sometimes people would talk to each other and it was very distracting to the speaker. So they would say stuff if I stood back there with my baby, and they would unlock the locked school and make me go in there.
I remember a brother walking down the aisle with his 3 year son and a wooden spoon. My mom thought it was hilarious. So true about the jw schedule not being child friendly. Two late bedtimes until they canceled the book study, plus one or two missed naps on the weekend. Conventions were a nightmare with three under three.
I know loads thought it was so funny and it became a standing joke in the congregation.
Children learn through play, this isn’t a new concept and many churches do messy play/learning I ve sways said a few sisters would be happy to put in sessions
BARNABY THE DOG.
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No I had not heard about that. There are apparently 4.5 million Ukrainian refugees in Poland and so I would think that the watchtower has done their sums and realised the size of the commitment in giving each refugee just ten dollars each. For the same amount, they could have bought them several large multi-occupation buildings where some could be housed and fed and daily food given to all witnesses in the district. Given their billion dollar wealth, the watchtower could have made a huge impact on the needs of the witnesses. It seems they would rather hang on to what was given to them by the same people. So where is their charity of heart, charity status and charitable action and response? Even then, they would only be giving from ‘their’ surplus (which is actually the money of the sheep) and would not even have to touch the money for ‘their own’ luxurious existence at bethel. I would write and complain, but it would take three months for them to respond to deny it all and obtusely ignore the fact that they themselves are fulfilling the scripture of abandonment and ‘skinning’ of the flock. They will be shown the error of their ways though - that much is certain. If any of you guys know a way to message the watchtower from an iPad, let me know and I will say my piece.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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That really is a most dreadful thing to say. It is satanic in its influence. I sometimes wonder about Lett and his thinking and expressions. He seems isolated in that there is no one to challenge his choice of words and as a result, he is a figment of his own imagination acting as the spokesman of God. Anything he thinks and says, he justifies in is mind alone. His statement reflects a distorted view of his station in life, not to mention his ignorance in the development of the human mind. To suggest that someone is an enemy of Jehovah simply by the act of being born, is a picture of ignorance of breathtaking proportions and actually presents a potential indicator of abuse. Certainly the view he expresses would certainly concern a professional in child abuse assessment. The only other instance that I have come across with this thinking, is of certain African assumptions that children can be possessed. As it is, his statement ties in with his expression of “apostate lies” in that he blinds himself to facts and speaks with no one to correct or challenge him. That in itself, evidences that the GB allow no challenge to their thinking at all and we can assume that their thinking will carry on and develop in this vein and indeed, will eventually reveal itself in their own prediction of giving the flock non-sensical ‘instructions’ during the time of the end.
I remember the children are gift from God song and the verse” he says use the rod”.everyone knew what that meant and it was always sung loudly by the adults.
I can’t believe they’ve just called babies little devils, children are not enemy’s of God. I can just hear people saying oh you’ve brought your enemy child (devil) to the meeting today!
I can’t believe they’ve just called babies little devils, children are not enemy’s of God. I can just hear people saying oh you’ve brought your enemy child (devil) to the meeting today!
TheJehuChariot
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Something the Org fails to tell all the singles and anti marriage members of the JW klan, was that The Apostle Paul (formerly Saul), had been a member of The Sanhedrin. In order to qualify as a member, the man had to be married. Therefore, Paul at one time would've been married and who knows if he had children. When he was inspired to write about "remaining single", and offered the advice he did, he obviously did so from a vantage point of having already tasted the marital arrangement and maybe family? I don't know all those details. But he also saw Jesus, or say the flash of him on the road to Damascus. Which I believe would be quite fulfilling for the rest of your days. I for one, if had experienced that which Paul did that eye blinding day, would give up the idea of "marital romance" and family dreams forever. God would be enough. Which is why I don't understand why those whom are already single and whom claim to "thereafter" become anointed, feel the need or desire to get married. For instance, ones like GB Geoffrey Jackson. Jesus and Jehovah should be enough at that stage...
TheJehuChariot
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Jah-son
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Well said. Its actually frightening to think that they have such unchecked authority. Very much the definition of the classic cult leader. I wonder how much damage Jehovah is willing to allow them to inflict? Anyway, universal law (which Jehovah set in place) will only permit so much before it naturally implodes anyway. A failing dam can only hold so much water before catastrophe strikes and balance is restored. Nature always seeks a balance and these guys are way out of balance.
Jah-son
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We are getting first hand reports of brothers in Ecuador that they are running out of cooking fuel and food. One family in our former congregation there has been receiving food supplies from others in the congregation. There have been major ongoing protests country wide. Protester Roadblocks are preventing distribution of supplies. Many Venezuelans have also fled to Ecuador putting a strain on the supplies, etc.
I'm even hearing reports of supply shortages in the US including foodstuffs.
Patricia
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That's one thing Christendom got right when they started Sunday school for the little ones. Teaching them the basics through play instead of having them distract the whole congregation playing on their seat or rolling around on the floor like I did, and then the child getting spanked all the way home. (We lived like 2 blocks away from the Hall when I was a kid.)