Jesus Name - Proof of the GB's Deceptive Teaching of the Faithful Slave

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Triggered much? Geez šŸ™„ canā€™t even ask you people a question to clarify your word salad statements without you getting your panties in a bunch! RELAX! My question was genuine. Your initial statement was misleading. What a hypocrite you are.

Obviously I triggered you. Why? because you couldn't help your self. Even after saying, "Iā€™m just gonna ask that one question and make no further comment" And like typical hypocrites you accuse me of being what you are. You got triggered and accused me of being triggered. All good I hurt your feelings because you're weak, and you responded. Get over it. DoubleThink333,

Since you still want to engage after lying and said you will "make no further comment" Go ahead and quote my misleading comment. I will respond if you can quote the misleading comment.

I must say this thread is getting a lot of hits. Arguments are good. They help to get to the bottom of a problem.
 
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Robert, why do you become belligerent when people don't agree with you? It is not very Christian. Further, you again set up a straw-man. Did you read Rutherford's books where he introduced the 'two organizations, Jehovah's and Satan's'? He literally used "organization" thousands of times. Page after page. And the context in which he introduced the term, was in giving himself, as the WT President, the position of supreme unquestioned authority on earth, as God's "visible" representative. It was not just because he used the term "organization", it was the way he self-appointed himself as the visible head of an "organization" that he plain and simple made it up as "Jehovah's". (Who would dare to question "Jehovah"? ie: Rutherford for all intents and purposes.)

I did not come to these conclusions lightly, nor second hand. I never missed a month reporting time in 39 years, pioneered often, served as an elder for 28 years, gave parts on assemblies, served at Brooklyn Bethel......you might say I had a lot invested. The "pandemic" and jab push by the GB caused me to research and answer the question: "Was the Watchtower ever God's "organization?" Robert, why can't you a least respect that others may have come to a different conclusion than you? Your attitude does not become you.

I read every book, and the context in which he introduced the idea that the Watchtower was "Jehovah's organization." He plain and simple made it up, to cement his own unquestioned authority. As in: 'Everything I say is God's command. Because this is His organization. And I lead it.' ('Obey me or face the wrath of God.')

So, God selected a megalomaniac, wife-neglecting, drunkard, materialistic, bombastic, abusive, smiter-of-the-brothers, slandering, false prophet, presumptuous, power-mad, writer of Biblical rubbish; as his visible vicegerent on earth? The leader of "Jehovah's organization"? It is blasphemous. (I am not slandering him, as the evidence of his life is there for all who will look. The man did not even qualify as an elder.)

You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown.

The God of Truth I know, and his Son, "the truth", could never have selected the Watchtower as "his exclusive organization." That's the conclusion I reached after starting at the beginning, and reading every single book. In order. I lived 150 years of history involving the birth and evolution of the movement. I encourage anyone who wants the answer to this question, to do their own research. (The shortcut is to just read "The Finished Mystery", as it shows the so-called "spiritual food" when Christ allegedly 'inspected.' Available as a free pdf on the internet.)
Iā€™d say anyone who forms a cult following as Robert has done here is susceptible to becoming belligerent with those ā€œfewā€ who dare to disagree with them...
Robert has made some very important and beneficial contributions but anyone who refuses to answer well meaning and genuine questions without insulting the character or intelligence of the person asking is not making the best argument for those who may be on the fence.
Iā€™m one of those who is on the fence now about many things I once unquestionably believed in as a JW, such as the FDS issue, the 144,000 issue, the 1914 issue, and even the hellfire issue! Iā€™m not totally on the other side of any of these issues but I am finding scriptures which support the other side and the questions these are raising within my belief system are genuine and heartfelt but to come on here and be shamed and humiliated for even daring to ask the question is very off putting and the people engaging in these bully tactics are not convincing and are not helpful at all. Youā€™re right, itā€™s not Christian. In my opinion, itā€™s actually quite demonic. Iā€™m somewhat understanding of people who engage in the name calling and shaming since itā€™s online and people are typically more nasty and rude in their online text comments than they would be face to face, but itā€™s getting pretty bad. I came on here to find other like minded people who had themselves lost faith in the GB and the organization but still had strong faith in Jehovah and Jesus and most people on here are just that, but some of the people on here are just perpetuating the bullying tactics of the GB against ā€œdisfellowshippedā€ and ā€œapostatesā€ I left the official JW org and found another smaller scale one here... itā€™s very disappointing and frustrating.
 
You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown.

No-one is saying that Jehovah made the watchtower "his organization" So what is there to define. All we're at least I am saying is that Jesus and Jehovah are using/have used an organization to preach the good news of the Kingdom to others. And that organization began with the early bible students in the 19th century which later became known as Jehovah's Witnesses which really is a follow on from what Jesus organized in the first century. Where as you're saying that Jehovah has/is not doing that.
 
Obviously I triggered you. Why? because you couldn't help your self. Even after saying, "Iā€™m just gonna ask that one question and make no further comment" And like typical hypocrites you accuse me of being what you are. You got triggered and accused me of being triggered. All good I hurt your feelings because you're weak, and you responded. Get over it. DoubleThink333, maybe it should be DoubleSpeak666 prehaps.

Since you still want to engage after lying and said you will "make no further comment" Go ahead and quote my misleading comment.

I must say this thread is getting a lot of hits. Arguments are good. They help to get to the bottom of a problem.
The only problem here is ignorant people like you making character attacks instead of just answering a genuine question with a logical answer.
Why donā€™t you try and respond to someone you disagree with WITHOUT insulting their intelligence or attacking their character?
 
Robert, why do you become belligerent when people don't agree with you? It is not very Christian. Further, you again set up a straw-man. Did you read Rutherford's books where he introduced the 'two organizations, Jehovah's and Satan's'? He literally used "organization" thousands of times. Page after page. And the context in which he introduced the term, was in giving himself, as the WT President, the position of supreme unquestioned authority on earth, as God's "visible" representative. It was not just because he used the term "organization", it was the way he self-appointed himself as the visible head of an "organization" that he plain and simple made it up as "Jehovah's". (Who would dare to question "Jehovah"? ie: Rutherford for all intents and purposes.)

I did not come to these conclusions lightly, nor second hand. I never missed a month reporting time in 39 years, pioneered often, served as an elder for 28 years, gave parts on assemblies, served at Brooklyn Bethel......you might say I had a lot invested. The "pandemic" and jab push by the GB caused me to research and answer the question: "Was the Watchtower ever God's "organization?" Robert, why can't you a least respect that others may have come to a different conclusion than you? Your attitude does not become you.

I read every book, and the context in which he introduced the idea that the Watchtower was "Jehovah's organization." He plain and simple made it up, to cement his own unquestioned authority. As in: 'Everything I say is God's command. Because this is His organization. And I lead it.' ('Obey me or face the wrath of God.')

So, God selected a megalomaniac, wife-neglecting, drunkard, materialistic, bombastic, abusive, smiter-of-the-brothers, slandering, false prophet, presumptuous, power-mad, writer of Biblical rubbish; as his visible vicegerent on earth? The leader of "Jehovah's organization"? It is blasphemous. (I am not slandering him, as the evidence of his life is there for all who will look. The man did not even qualify as an elder.)

You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown.

The God of Truth I know, and his Son, "the truth", could never have selected the Watchtower as "his exclusive organization." That's the conclusion I reached after starting at the beginning, and reading every single book. In order. I lived 150 years of history involving the birth and evolution of the movement. I encourage anyone who wants the answer to this question, to do their own research. (The shortcut is to just read "The Finished Mystery", as it shows the so-called "spiritual food" when Christ allegedly 'inspected.' Available as a free pdf on the internet.)
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that.
 
The only problem here is ignorant people like you making character attacks instead of just answering a genuine question with a logical answer.
Why donā€™t you try and respond to someone you disagree with WITHOUT insulting their intelligence or attacking their character?
Still no quote yet you lying crybaby hypocrite no-one is insulting your intelligence, just your false claims. .
 
Do not confuse organization with the heavenly Kingdom at present, since the heavenly Kingdom has not been established yet.
Here you go! There is a heavenly kingdom. There always has been. The 144,000 kingdom is not a heavenly kingdom which rules over heaven, but a kingdom IN heaven which will rule over the earth. The 144,000 kingdom will rule over earth FROM heaven.
Your comment was initially misleading because of itā€™s simplicity that ā€œthe heavenly Kingdom has not been established yetā€.
I genuinely asked you to clarify your statement. I even withheld from commenting on the error that such a statement as there is NO heavenly kingdom at all would imply because I assumed that I was mistaken in my understanding of your statement.
Gods Kingdom; the Kingdom that Christ and the 144,000 are co-rulers You know; the one that RK wrote a book about "Jehovah himself has become King"; has not; I repeat Not! yet been established in the heavens, But it will be soon.

Your question is false and misleading. Based on your crooked thinking prehaps.
Then you respond with nothing but sarcasm and this unnecessary and undeserved attack. Your statement that my question is false and misleading is ridiculous and moronic. There is no such thing as a false question, that statement is oxymoronic. You may think my question was misleading, I disagree. My question was merely asking for further clarification of your misleading statement that there is no heavenly kingdom. And then you insult and attack my character by insinuating that I have ā€œcrooked thinkingā€.
You got triggered and accused me of being triggered. All good I hurt your feelings because you're weak, and you responded. Get over it. DoubleThink333, maybe it should be DoubleSpeak666 prehaps.
Then here you go again, with your ā€œChristian brotherly loveā€ on full display. Calling me weak because I took offense at your offensive words? Youā€™re evil. Youā€™re a troll. And I would venture to guess youā€™re a coward as well... you feel safe and protected behind your screen and keyboard but I very much doubt you would be so bold as to say such offensive words to my face.
Still no quote yet you lying crybaby hypocrite no-one is insulting your intelligence, just your false claims.
Again, BIG words coming from a coward behind a screen... If you talk like that to people in person, youā€™d get your @$$ beat and rightly so.
 
Robert, why do you become belligerent when people don't agree with you? It is not very Christian. Further, you again set up a straw-man. Did you read Rutherford's books where he introduced the 'two organizations, Jehovah's and Satan's'? He literally used "organization" thousands of times. Page after page. And the context in which he introduced the term, was in giving himself, as the WT President, the position of supreme unquestioned authority on earth, as God's "visible" representative. It was not just because he used the term "organization", it was the way he self-appointed himself as the visible head of an "organization" that he plain and simple made it up as "Jehovah's". (Who would dare to question "Jehovah"? ie: Rutherford for all intents and purposes.)
I am not being belligerent. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy. Jesus did it all the time.

Yes, I have read Rutherford's books and I agree with him. There are basically only two organizations. He had a lot right. There is Satan's seed and Jehovah's seed. That's it. Of course, as I have pointed out in hundreds of articles, Satan's seed is the controlling factor in Jehovah's organization, otherwise known as the man of lawlessness.
 
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I did not come to these conclusions lightly, nor second hand. I never missed a month reporting time in 39 years, pioneered often, served as an elder for 28 years, gave parts on assemblies, served at Brooklyn Bethel......you might say I had a lot invested. The "pandemic" and jab push by the GB caused me to research and answer the question: "Was the Watchtower ever God's "organization?" Robert, why can't you a least respect that others may have come to a different conclusion than you? Your attitude does not become you.
My attitude? Why is my personal disposition an issue? I do not respect the GB for their dishonesty and disloyalty to Jehovah. Why should I respect faithless x JWs? I do feel pity for you though. It must be terrible to realize you wasted your life. How much better it would have been for you to have served Christ rather than the Watchtower that let you down. Of course, it is not too late.
 
I read every book, and the context in which he introduced the idea that the Watchtower was "Jehovah's organization." He plain and simple made it up, to cement his own unquestioned authority. As in: 'Everything I say is God's command. Because this is His organization. And I lead it.' ('Obey me or face the wrath of God.')
The Bible talks about people who diligently search to find the lie. Well, congrats - You found it! How much better your time could have been spent though if you had so diligently looked for the truth and searched for Jehovah. Still, again, it is not too late.
 
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I am not being belligerent. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy. Jesus did it all the time.

Yes, I have read Rutherford's books and I agree with him. There are basically only two organizations. He had a lot right. There is Satan's seed and Jehovah's seed. That's it.
Iā€™ve read back through this thread of comments and I do not see where you answered his initial question of ā€œWHEN did Jesus make the GB his FDS?ā€ I am curious to have an answer to that question as well... I know the GB claims it happened in 1919, but there is absolutely zero scriptural evidence which would back up this claim... on the contrary, when Jesus was given his Kingship there were hundreds of scriptures which supported this. The GB can point to maybe two scriptures, possibly taken out of context and misinterpreted with their own personal opinions, to ā€œsupportā€ their claim to the FDS title.
 
So, God selected a megalomaniac, wife-neglecting, drunkard, materialistic, bombastic, abusive, smiter-of-the-brothers, slandering, false prophet, presumptuous, power-mad, writer of Biblical rubbish; as his visible vicegerent on earth? The leader of "Jehovah's organization"? It is blasphemous. (I am not slandering him, as the evidence of his life is there for all who will look. The man did not even qualify as an elder.)
Jehovah appeared to Solomon twice. Solomon wrote several books that make up the Bible canon. Solomon did not listen to Jehovah. He multiplied wives and foreign demon worshippers at that. Eventually, Solomon completely apostatized and began building temples to the demon gods that his hundreds of wives worshipped. Why did Jehovah allow apostate Solomon's writing to remain part of the Holy Scriptures?

In your case though, Solomon's proverb is true: "The words of a slanderer are like tasty morsels; they are gulped right down into the stomach."
 
You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown.
Looks like heā€™s responding to your post in sections... hopefully he addresses this section next. I am very curious to see his response šŸ™šŸ’
 
You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown. The God of Truth I know, and his Son, "the truth", could never have selected the Watchtower as "his exclusive organization."
The fact that the Watchtower has accomplished what Jesus said would be accomplished prior to the end is proof. Obviously, the Devil has blinded you to that. But as I said, you do not know the judgments of Jehovah. Neither does the leadership of Jehovah's organization. Christ has accomplished his work in spite of the fact that he has allowed the seed of Satan to sit in the driver's seat so to speak. You are wrong again, not that it is your personal error, but you are working off the WT's own delusion that it has God's unqualified approval. It doesn't. Christ's imminent coming will be with the fire of a refiner and a lot of people are going to feel the heat.
 
Why did Jehovah allow apostate Solomon's writing to remain part of the Holy Scriptures?
I think it was included to show a few things. #1 being that even apostates at one time had the truth in them #2 to show that ā€œonce saved, always savedā€ is a major falsehood and that even those blessed by Jehovah their whole lives can fall out of his favor through their own arrogance #3 to show that all the wisdom in the world will not save us from making stupid mistakes! LoL šŸ˜‚
 
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