I agree: They keep insisting 'Jehovah is a God of order!' It sounds more like a requisite of Goebell's? Rather, Jehovah is a God of harmony..yes? We see it in creation this harmony...ok it is an orderly way...but would it not be better expressed 'harmony' instead of ORDER!? They put it that way to instill fearful order to them?The WTBTS has caused the word "organization" to become a dirty word. I can't even describe the level of disgust I feel when reading it or hearing it.
Banging my head against a wall.
Harmony, yes. Order used in the same sense, ok. Not in the sense of order of importance / hierarchy which is the sense I get when they say organizationI agree: They keep insisting 'Jehovah is a God of order!' It sounds more like a requisite of Goebell's? Rather, Jehovah is a God of harmony..yes? We see it in creation this harmony...ok it is an orderly way...but would it not be better expressed 'harmony' instead of ORDER!? They put it that way to instill fearful order to them?
It seems undeniable that they use wordsmiths, neural nudging; their harmony is with 1914 so everything has to synchronise with Christ already here and all done!Harmony, yes. Order used in the same sense, ok. Not in the sense of order of importance / hierarchy which is the sense I get when they say organization
Your reasoning is lame. You claimed the Watchtower could not be Jehovah's organization because Rutherford made up the expression. That's childish reasoning. I didn't say you denied that Israel was Jehovah's nation or that Christians were a holy nation. I was pointing out your hypocrisy. Or do you in fact deny that Israel and Christ's collection of congregations were Jehovah's organizations? Since they obviously were organizations that God used, why deny that those doing Christ's work now are?It's not that I "don't get it." I understand your point. I simply don't agree with it. Where did I deny Israel was Jehovah's nation, or deny that Christians are a "holy nation"? You set up a "straw-man" argument. I thought I made it simple and clear, that I see no point at which God chose the Watchtower as his "organization." You tell me then, what year did Jesus "choose" the Watchtower as his exclusive people? And upon what evidence?
Was it during the period that Russell wrote over 60 pages on "God's pyramid"? Or was it when "The Finished Mystery" was the "food"? Or was it when Rutherford somehow saw Jesus 'come to the temple' in 1919 and give him 'the robe of righteousness'?
You tell me. When did Jesus choose them? I couldn't find the point in Watchtower history when it could have happened. Believe me I tried.
AgreedIt seems undeniable that they use wordsmiths, neural nudging; their harmony is with 1914 so everything has to synchronise with Christ already here and all done!
You got it! We just had the wrong 25 all along! Of course itās 2025! Getting my stay alive T-shirt ordered now! Letās get the word out!Rutherford was a prophet!
How else do you explain his inspired words, sent abroad 100 years in and advance of the fulfillment.
Its time for WT to reignite the prothetic campaign 'Millions now living WILL never die.".
As we are on the "cusp" of the "Last day of the last days" I say 'Stay alive till 25', 2025 that is.
Are you suggesting that the heavenly kingdom from which Jehovah God reigns and rules is in chaos and has not yet been established...?Do not confuse organization with the heavenly Kingdom at present, since the heavenly Kingdom has not been established yet.
Yes ! It's all beginning to make sense now Its not 1925 but 2025 - Wow ! Let the construction begin its time for a new Beth Sarim ! The ancient worthies will need a mansion to live in , maybe we can buy the same house in San Diego since the climate is similar to Palestine . We need to start a go fund me page. Rutherford was only a hundred years off . But Fred Franz was only fifty years off with 1975 - to the fast approaching 2025. - So Who is the more correct prophet ?You got it! We just had the wrong 25 all along! Of course itās 2025! Getting my stay alive T-shirt ordered now! Letās get the word out!
Jesusā appointment as the head of the earthly organization was backed by hundreds of scriptures found in the Bible. The GB self-proclaimed appointment by Jesus himself is not foretold in the Bible as specifically as Jesusā appointment was. There are scriptures alluding to an earthly organization being set up at some point, but there arenāt any scriptures I have found that would specifically identify the Governing Body members of the Jehovahās Witnesses organization as being the organization alluded to in scripture. And certainly their actions over the years have separated them from God.Your reasoning is lame. You claimed the Watchtower could not be Jehovah's organization because Rutherford made up the expression. That's childish reasoning. I didn't say you denied that Israel was Jehovah's nation or that Christians were a holy nation. I was pointing out your hypocrisy. Or do you in fact deny that Israel and Christ's collection of congregations were Jehovah's organizations? Since they obviously were organizations that God used, why deny that those doing Christ's work now are?
When Jesus was on earth the Jews demanded to know who appointed him, or who gave him authority to do what he did. If the Jews who were expecting Christ did not accept his appointment it is no surprise that individuals like yourself do not accept that men could have been appointed by Christ to do a particular work.
"organization"
Gods Kingdom; the Kingdom that Christ and the 144,000 are co-rulers You know; the one that RK wrote a book about "Jehovah himself has become King"; has not; I repeat Not! yet been established in the heavens, But it will be soon.Are you suggesting that the heavenly kingdom from which Jehovah God reigns and rules is in chaos and has not yet been established...?
Iām just gonna ask that one question and make no further comment as I donāt want to assume your position based upon one statement which I may be misinterpreting...
Yep they might be closer to the money this time around. If not, have another bash later prehaps.Rutherford was a prophet!
How else do you explain his inspired words, sent abroad 100 years in and advance of the fulfillment.
Its time for WT to reignite the prothetic campaign 'Millions now living WILL never die.".
As we are on the "cusp" of the "Last day of the last days" I say 'Stay alive till 25', 2025 that is.
Triggered much? Geez canāt even ask you people a question to clarify your word salad statements without you getting your panties in a bunch! RELAX! My question was genuine. Your initial statement was misleading. What a hypocrite you are.Gods Kingdom; the Kingdom that Christ and the 144,000 are co-rulers You know; the one that RK wrote a book about "Jehovah himself has become King"; has not; I repeat Not! yet been established in the heavens, But it will be soon.
Your question is false and misleading. Based on your crooked thinking prehaps.
Robert, why do you become belligerent when people don't agree with you? It is not very Christian. Further, you again set up a straw-man. Did you read Rutherford's books where he introduced the 'two organizations, Jehovah's and Satan's'? He literally used "organization" thousands of times. Page after page. And the context in which he introduced the term, was in giving himself, as the WT President, the position of supreme unquestioned authority on earth, as God's "visible" representative. It was not just because he used the term "organization", it was the way he self-appointed himself as the visible head of an "organization" that he plain and simple made it up as "Jehovah's". (Who would dare to question "Jehovah"? ie: Rutherford for all intents and purposes.)Your reasoning is lame. You claimed the Watchtower could not be Jehovah's organization because Rutherford made up the expression. That's childish reasoning.