Seven Jehovah's Witnesses killed in Kingdom Hall shooting in Hamburg, Germany.

Seadog said:

This is on the mark BTG
I actually think I’m depressing myself with the reading I’m undertaking on the net. The system is rotten to the core and you’re absolutely correct there are so many truly evil and selfish people out there eg big pharma and money. Mate I’m gunna take the pledge and read more bible plus prayer👍

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I spent decades praying with watchtower. It did not bring me one inch closer to Jehovah. Watchtower (for me) did not explain, describe or reveal Jehovah. It merely instructed me in how to conduct myself. This for some reason, involved me not doing much that I enjoyed, and spending all my free time trying to instruct others as I had been instructed. The point of instruction is to enable. For watchtower, that liberation of service, realisation, joy and enablement I never felt for myself or saw it in anyone else. The only reward was to be given a position of responsibility as a servant. It was called a “privilege“ but it was in fact only an additional and vacuous burden. It was explained as “doing that which we aught to do”, and which in the manner in which it was applied, ignored the fact that “the workman was worthy of his days wage.” Now, Being in receipt of truth, rather that the counterfeit version you can buy from watchtower, one quickly finds that primarily, Jehovah is first and foremost ”Our Father”. And that is an entirely different thing than that of being a “witness“. Witnessing watchtower-style is “doing”. Ultimately “earning money”. “Our Father” on the other hand, is living. Work in such circumstances is swiftly and generously rewarded with acceptance of a depth one has to experience to understand its value. It is laid before one with an open hand. It brings with it a blessing. Far from “anonymous” and without description, it is laden with values, insight and reciprocation. It is certainty. It is tangible to the soul, reassuring, a comfort, hope and a settlement of accounts. It is peace and security. So yes, you are right with your solution to pray. “Taste and see”.

BARNABY THE DOG. said:

I spent decades praying with watchtower. It did not bring me one inch closer to Jehovah. Watchtower (for me) did not explain, describe or reveal Jehovah. It merely instructed me in how to conduct myself. This for some reason, involved me not doing much that I enjoyed, and spending all my free time trying to instruct others as I had been instructed. The point of instruction is to enable. For watchtower, that liberation of service, realisation, joy and enablement I never felt for myself or saw it in anyone else. The only reward was to be given a position of responsibility as a servant. It was called a “privilege“ but it was in fact only an additional and vacuous burden. It was explained as “doing that which we aught to do”, and which in the manner in which it was applied, ignored the fact that “the workman was worthy of his days wage.” Now, Being in receipt of truth, rather that the counterfeit version you can buy from watchtower, one quickly finds that primarily, Jehovah is first and foremost ”Our Father”. And that is an entirely different thing than that of being a “witness“. Witnessing watchtower-style is “doing”. Ultimately “earning money”. “Our Father” on the other hand, is living. Work in such circumstances is swiftly and generously rewarded with acceptance of a depth one has to experience to understand its value. It is laid before one with an open hand. It brings with it a blessing. Far from “anonymous” and without description, it is laden with values, insight and reciprocation. It is certainty. It is tangible to the soul, reassuring, a comfort, hope and a settlement of accounts. It is peace and security. So yes, you are right with your solution to pray. “Taste and see”.

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Your wisdom shines so bright. Jesus said "My load is light"....yet I never felt any Joy....I felt like I had a ball and chain around my neck. Life as a witness was all about being in the F.O.G Fear Obligation and Guilt. I went many years wishing I had never learned the Truth. It was the basic Truth that I could never forget and always knew in my heart were true. For me I was POMI instead of PIMO. Finding this forum I have finally found the Peace with Jehovah I had always longed for. I never knew Jehovah till I came here. I feel more Joy knowing Jehovah than ever before.

Melinda said:

Your wisdom shines so bright. Jesus said "My load is light"....yet I never felt any Joy....I felt like I had a ball and chain around my neck. Life as a witness was all about being in the F.O.G Fear Obligation and Guilt. I went many years wishing I had never learned the Truth. It was the basic Truth that I could never forget and always knew in my heart were true. For me I was POMI instead of PIMO. Finding this forum I have finally found the Peace with Jehovah I had always longed for. I never knew Jehovah till I came here. I feel more Joy knowing Jehovah than ever before.

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Nice to know I was not alone - in a rather weird way! Never mind. It was worth the wait!

If anyone gets a response from sending on Robert‘s Righteous Rant on the watchtower tragedy, do please let us know. I sent it on to my sister - elders wife - and got the usual cold silence. I do so “enjoy” being an “apostate-driven liar“. Come to think of it, if you are not baptised, can telling it as it is, still be classed as “as apostate- driven” and thus true. Clearly if you are not apostate, you have no motive to lie, surely?

Melinda Ditto what you and BTD said. I always enjoy BTD's pearls of wisdom. So very helpful.

Without sounding mushy, I always feel a peaceful comfort when reading his posts like the one he just posted, unlike the smothering sensation I feel in meetings or around most jw's. That is sad to admit and I am sincerely sorry but I can't help it at this age.

That jw choke hold you mentioned is very debilitating to say the least. Yes this forum and the people here are awesome for lack of better wording.

Just wanted to add since being on forum I also feel more at peace now than ever before.

I spend more time bible reading and taking notes on things I have read but no understanding really. I research out of wt box and it has helped me so much.

May all of us here continue to grow closer to Jehovah and his son Christ Jesus as we cope with the challenges of our time.

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Melinda said:

Your wisdom shines so bright. Jesus said "My load is light"....yet I never felt any Joy....I felt like I had a ball and chain around my neck. Life as a witness was all about being in the F.O.G Fear Obligation and Guilt. I went many years wishing I had never learned the Truth. It was the basic Truth that I could never forget and always knew in my heart were true. For me I was POMI instead of PIMO. Finding this forum I have finally found the Peace with Jehovah I had always longed for. I never knew Jehovah till I came here. I feel more Joy knowing Jehovah than ever before.

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I can truly relate to what your saying.
I was stumbled and lost by the things I saw in the org in the late nineties, then the ten year watchtower membership with the UN was the last straw. I prayed deeply for answers and came across Roberts old group, it was like an Oasis in the midst of no man's land, there I found lovers of Jehovah who'd seen the light of the real truth. My difficulty is not being baptized, time and again I have made the effort to have a study, but something's always happened that lead to me ending it, either illness or the study conductor had to move away. Just before Covid broke out I decided to give it another go, as I desperately want to be baptised. But I find since this whole Vax agenda, it's harder than ever to even speak freely about your concerns, your not allowed an opinion if it doesn't fit in with the main stream narrative. I'm finding myself not learning anything about the Bible but principles that organisation expect you to abide to, I'm now at the point that it's causing me great anxiety, being forced to have my camera on when I'm house bound and not well a lot of the times, it's always something more that's required. Then when the questions centre around the governing body, the words stick in my throat, I'm finding I'm lying about how I feel. It's harder than it ever was before, because I see them for who they are. I can't stay awake through the meetings as it's so dry and repetitive, how brothers do this week after week, month after month year after year is beyond me. At least before it was based on prophetic fulfilment had the Daniel book and Revelation grand climax at hand, even though they weren't accurate it was exciting. Now we need to be taught how to behave in a car when someone's driving, how to look out carefully when crossing the road 🤦 I'm just holding on by a thread. Nobody contacts you or visits, only for my family I'd have nobody.

Shekinah said:

I can truly relate to what your saying.
I was stumbled and lost by the things I saw in the org in the late nineties, then the ten year watchtower membership with the UN was the last straw. I prayed deeply for answers and came across Roberts old group, it was like an Oasis in the midst of no man's land, there I found lovers of Jehovah who'd seen the light of the real truth. My difficulty is not being baptized, time and again I have made the effort to have a study, but something's always happened that lead to me ending it, either illness or the study conductor had to move away. Just before Covid broke out I decided to give it another go, as I desperately want to be baptised. But I find since this whole Vax agenda, it's harder than ever to even speak freely about your concerns, your not allowed an opinion if it doesn't fit in with the main stream narrative. I'm finding myself not learning anything about the Bible but principles that organisation expect you to abide to, I'm now at the point that it's causing me great anxiety, being forced to have my camera on when I'm house bound and not well a lot of the times, it's always something more that's required. Then when the questions centre around the governing body, the words stick in my throat, I'm finding I'm lying about how I feel. It's harder than it ever was before, because I see them for who they are. I can't stay awake through the meetings as it's so dry and repetitive, how brothers do this week after week, month after month year after year is beyond me. At least before it was based on prophetic fulfilment had the Daniel book and Revelation grand climax at hand, even though they weren't accurate it was exciting. Now we need to be taught how to behave in a car when someone's driving, how to look out carefully when crossing the road 🤦 I'm just holding on by a thread. Nobody contacts you or visits, only for my family I'd have nobody.

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It is all about having faith in Jehovah, as Jesus had. Although I had mostly positive experiences while I was associated with JWs it was not until I had a "calling" that everything went sideways, then downhill. Except, now I accept that I have another assignment since my faith is still intact by God's power. By the insight given to me, as I take no credit for figuring anything out on my own, it is possible to go forward in the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses by looking beyond the Watchtower and its many stumbling blocks to the prophecies, which speak to all the matters that are most relevant. That's what Kingdom Bulletin #24 is about. Many don't realize it yet but the mass murder of Jehovah's Witnesses in their Kingdom Hall is a huge stumbling block. Do you think attendees at the next meeting and every meeting thereafter will not have in the back of their minds what happened in Hamburg? The question is going to linger for a long time: Why did Jehovah let it happen? I provided an answer from the Scriptures and it is not possible for any JW to refute it.

Shekinah said:

I can truly relate to what your saying.
I was stumbled and lost by the things I saw in the org in the late nineties, then the ten year watchtower membership with the UN was the last straw. I prayed deeply for answers and came across Roberts old group, it was like an Oasis in the midst of no man's land, there I found lovers of Jehovah who'd seen the light of the real truth. My difficulty is not being baptized, time and again I have made the effort to have a study, but something's always happened that lead to me ending it, either illness or the study conductor had to move away. Just before Covid broke out I decided to give it another go, as I desperately want to be baptised. But I find since this whole Vax agenda, it's harder than ever to even speak freely about your concerns, your not allowed an opinion if it doesn't fit in with the main stream narrative. I'm finding myself not learning anything about the Bible but principles that organisation expect you to abide to, I'm now at the point that it's causing me great anxiety, being forced to have my camera on when I'm house bound and not well a lot of the times, it's always something more that's required. Then when the questions centre around the governing body, the words stick in my throat, I'm finding I'm lying about how I feel. It's harder than it ever was before, because I see them for who they are. I can't stay awake through the meetings as it's so dry and repetitive, how brothers do this week after week, month after month year after year is beyond me. At least before it was based on prophetic fulfilment had the Daniel book and Revelation grand climax at hand, even though they weren't accurate it was exciting. Now we need to be taught how to behave in a car when someone's driving, how to look out carefully when crossing the road 🤦 I'm just holding on by a thread. Nobody contacts you or visits, only for my family I'd have nobody.

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I was disfellowshipped 20 years ago....I haven't even been in a Kingdom Hall in 20 years. I spent 20 years in and 20 years out. Since my reconnection to Jehovah via this forum....I have had no desire to be reinstated...instead I have found great joy reaching out and sending anonymously information to many of my old JW friends. I do have a feeling of loneliness because my husband and close friends do not know Jehovah and it's hard to find a common ground. The best way I can describe the feeling is ...I feel the house is on fire and everyone around me are only worried about planting flowers and cutting the grass. One of my closest friends came to see me last week to inform me...that she is concerned with me cause I have changed cause she feels me pulling away from her and many of our mutual friends feel the same. I have been planting seeds with her this past year careful not to scare her. We ended the conversation with both in tears by her saying that she wants me to come and talk to her about the bible anytime but made me promise that I would still love her if she disagrees. She wants to understand how I feel. My husband on the other hand who believes in God but has no bible knowledge. January 1st every morning my husband and I started listening to the the Bible on Audio. We have never missed since we started. I can't tell you how much this has opened the doors for us having many bible conversations. What I love most is knowing he is hearing Jehovah's name over and over. It is baby steps at this point. When Jesus said "I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out" As things start to escalate I want to be one of those stones that cries out to help those around me. I have peace and I am leaving it in Jehovah's hands. BTW I am looking forward to attending the memorial at the local Kingdom Hall on April 4th.

Melinda said:

I was disfellowshipped 20 years ago....I haven't even been in a Kingdom Hall in 20 years. I spent 20 years in and 20 years out. Since my reconnection to Jehovah via this forum....I have had no desire to be reinstated...instead I have found great joy reaching out and sending anonymously information to many of my old JW friends. I do have a feeling of loneliness because my husband and close friends do not know Jehovah and it's hard to find a common ground. The best way I can describe the feeling is ...I feel the house is on fire and everyone around me are only worried about planting flowers and cutting the grass. One of my closest friends came to see me last week to inform me...that she is concerned with me cause I have changed cause she feels me pulling away from her and many of our mutual friends feel the same. I have been planting seeds with her this past year careful not to scare her. We ended the conversation with both in tears by her saying that she wants me to come and talk to her about the bible anytime but made me promise that I would still love her if she disagrees. She wants to understand how I feel. My husband on the other hand who believes in God but has no bible knowledge. January 1st every morning my husband and I started listening to the the Bible on Audio. We have never missed since we started. I can't tell you how much this has opened the doors for us having many bible conversations. What I love most is knowing he is hearing Jehovah's name over and over. It is baby steps at this point. When Jesus said "I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out" As things start to escalate I want to be one of those stones that cries out to help those around me. I have peace and I am leaving it in Jehovah's hands. BTW I am looking forward to attending the memorial at the local Kingdom Hall on April 4th.

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I can relate to everything you just said. I also feel as if I am the only one who sees the coming calamity and the only one in my family who does not only have faith but true faith and connection to the one true God of Isreal. I do my best to warn others about what is to shortly befall mankind, to open blind eyes to teach the truth, to preach about Jehovahs coming Kingdom to encourage upbuild and lead by example. My husband never developed a true Faith. He was baptized when he was 15. He was disfellowshipped a few years later and never returned. He had questions he never felt were answered and strayed and never looked back. Ironically it was his family who introduced me to tge Truth and shortly after my studies something just clicked in me. I never thought when i started my studies that I would develop any real faith. It reached my heart though and never left. I really enjoy this scripture and I have been showing my husband the power Jehovah has had especially most recently in my life. The things he has shown me his holy spirit is so active within me as He sees my heart and love for Him and the truth. You just never know who you can bring the truth too who you can save and give real everlasting hope.

1 Corinthians 7
But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife and she is agreeable to staying with him, let him not leave her; 13 and if a woman has an unbelieving husband and he is agreeable to staying with her, let her not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbelieving one chooses to depart,* let him depart; a brother or a sister is not bound under such circumstances, but God has called you to peace. 16 For wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Or, husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?

Jehovahsloyalchild said:

I can relate to everything you just said. I also feel as if I am the only one who sees the coming calamity and the only one in my family who does not only have faith but true faith and connection to the one true God of Isreal. I do my best to warn others about what is to shortly befall mankind, to open blind eyes to teach the truth, to preach about Jehovahs coming Kingdom to encourage upbuild and lead by example. My husband never developed a true Faith and was baptized even he was 15. He was disfellowshipped a few years later and never returned. He had questions he never felt were answered and strayed and never looked by. Ironically it was his family who introduced me to tge Truth and shortly after my studies something just clicked in me. I never thought when i started my studies that I would develop any real faith. It reached my heart though and never left. I really enjoy this scripture and I have been showing my husband the power Jehovah has had especially most recently the things he has shown me his holy spirit is so active within me as He sees my heart and love for Him and the truth. You just never know who can bring the truth who you can save.

1 Corinthians 7
But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife and she is agreeable to staying with him, let him not leave her; 13 and if a woman has an unbelieving husband and he is agreeable to staying with her, let her not leave her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbelieving one chooses to depart,* let him depart; a brother or a sister is not bound under such circumstances, but God has called you to peace. 16 For wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Or, husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?

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That is a wonderful scripture for sure. I feel I am where I am supposed to be. I have felt my prayers have been answered as far as my husbands response to what he is learning from the bible. I am careful not to overwhelm him to where we are in the stream of time. I feel the same as you and I feel Jehovah is using me and I am grateful that he opened my eyes. For the first time in many years I can sleep on a stormy night.

Melinda said:

That is a wonderful scripture for sure. I feel I am where I am supposed to be. I have felt my prayers have been answered as far as my husbands response to what he is learning from the bible. I am careful not to overwhelm him to where we are in the stream of time. I feel the same as you and I feel Jehovah is using me and I am grateful that he opened my eyes. For the first time in many years I can sleep on a stormy night.

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I am beyond grateful as well...you all are my spiritual family. I thank Jehovah for leading me to all of you 🙏💯❤

Shekinah said:

I can truly relate to what your saying.
I was stumbled and lost by the things I saw in the org in the late nineties, then the ten year watchtower membership with the UN was the last straw. I prayed deeply for answers and came across Roberts old group, it was like an Oasis in the midst of no man's land, there I found lovers of Jehovah who'd seen the light of the real truth. My difficulty is not being baptized, time and again I have made the effort to have a study, but something's always happened that lead to me ending it, either illness or the study conductor had to move away. Just before Covid broke out I decided to give it another go, as I desperately want to be baptised. But I find since this whole Vax agenda, it's harder than ever to even speak freely about your concerns, your not allowed an opinion if it doesn't fit in with the main stream narrative. I'm finding myself not learning anything about the Bible but principles that organisation expect you to abide to, I'm now at the point that it's causing me great anxiety, being forced to have my camera on when I'm house bound and not well a lot of the times, it's always something more that's required. Then when the questions centre around the governing body, the words stick in my throat, I'm finding I'm lying about how I feel. It's harder than it ever was before, because I see them for who they are. I can't stay awake through the meetings as it's so dry and repetitive, how brothers do this week after week, month after month year after year is beyond me. At least before it was based on prophetic fulfilment had the Daniel book and Revelation grand climax at hand, even though they weren't accurate it was exciting. Now we need to be taught how to behave in a car when someone's driving, how to look out carefully when crossing the road 🤦 I'm just holding on by a thread. Nobody contacts you or visits, only for my family I'd have nobody.

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And you’ve helped me a lot sister ( I think I am right) I joined your Facebook group after being away for a long time and it took a while to digest everything, still am lol 💙

It’s just kinda weird to see the org basically saying “move along nothing to see here folks” after such a tragedy that even secular news has brought more attention to. No announcement from the GB at the meeting, just business as usual, another Sunday with butts in seats.

The Black Sheep said:

It’s just kinda weird to see the org basically saying “move along nothing to see here folks” after such a tragedy that even secular news has brought more attention to. No announcement from the GB at the meeting, just business as usual, another Sunday with butts in seats.

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Business as usual. Keep the brain frozen sheep 🐑 in their hypnotic state so they just move along listening to the leadership voices not thinking or using sound critical skills.
Hep 2, 3 4 to the left to the right, now JUMP 😡

I try to keep them in prayer cuz I once was an obedient sleeping sheep walker.
😔 😔.

Paul H said:

A special police team without helmets doesnt look strange to me...every police-unit has their own specialized outfit. And since that police unit was relatively close to the scene (perhaps they were already sitting in a policevan on their way to some training session without helmets in another part of the city), they were able to arrive on the crimescene within 15 minutes. Also: riot police or military personnel wear a completely different outfit compared to other policeforce units.. not all of em wear helmets. His argument is far-fetched if you ask me.

The guy from the video finds it strange that the civilian guy was filming the shooter while fully zooming in on him from a relatively large distance.
Well, before the shooter started shooting in the KH, we shouldnt forget that he already fired 10 rounds while he was on the parkinglot downstairs. He tried to shoot a sister who was able to flee the scene in her car. After the sister escaped he moved upstairs and started shooting on the people inside. Hamburg is a big city. If someone fires 10 rounds on the streets with a semi-automatic firearm, of course this draws attention of other people nearby. And since modern day smartphones have advanced cameras on them that can easily zoom in 10 or 20x, or more, this isnt strange at all.. Again far-fetched if you ask me...

At some point in the video they show police officers who were indeed wearing helmets. Of course this isnt strange because news reports stated that at some point a bomb squad was searching the area for explosives and booby traps... Also by that time,(1+ hour after first-contact) all of Hamburg's police stations were moving towards the crimescene. They had a lot more time to prepare and to "grab their helmets" and what not...

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The news reports I have seen do not mention the gun shots in the parking lot. Maybe you have seen different news posts from me. Perhaps you can post.
I do not know if this is really a psyop or not. No one is denying that these tragic deaths happened. However, the fact JW.ORG constantly promotes the convid deception and the global warming deception, probably makes outsiders question everything the bORG is saying. I do agree RK that Jehovah's spirit has probably left the bORG. This isnt the first shooting. A JW was murdered in USA on the ministry recently. Even before all this lockdown nonsense a brother was murdered in a Kingdom Hall in Devon UK, whilst doing some KH maintenance.
RK wont like me saying this, but my conscience won't allow me to not say it:
Those if you who have been hanging on, waiting for those evil men in Warwick to repent, or thinking you can help the ones still in. You need to get out if there or you could be the next casualty! I have seen the disgusting thing and left. You need to do the same now before it is too late.
FLEE!
''Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.'' Matt 24: 15-16

StillA_WorshiperOfJah said:

The news reports I have seen do not mention the gun shots in the parking lot. Maybe you have seen different news posts from me. Perhaps you can post.
I do not know if this is really a psyop or not. No one is denying that these tragic deaths happened. However, the fact JW.ORG constantly promotes the convid deception and the global warming deception, probably makes outsiders question everything the bORG is saying. I do agree RK that Jehovah's spirit has probably left the bORG. This isnt the first shooting. A JW was murdered in USA on the ministry recently. Even before all this lockdown nonsense a brother was murdered in a Kingdom Hall in Devon UK, whilst doing some KH maintenance.
RK wont like me saying this, but my conscience won't allow me to not say it:
Those if you who have been hanging on, waiting for those evil men in Warwick to repent, or thinking you can help the ones still in. You need to get out if there or you could be the next casualty! I have seen the disgusting thing and left. You need to do the same now before it is too late.
FLEE!
''Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.'' Matt 24: 15-16

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StillA_WorshiperOfJah said:

The news reports I have seen do not mention the gun shots in the parking lot. Maybe you have seen different news posts from me. Perhaps you can post.
I do not know if this is really a psyop or not. No one is denying that these tragic deaths happened. However, the fact JW.ORG constantly promotes the convid deception and the global warming deception, probably makes outsiders question everything the bORG is saying. I do agree RK that Jehovah's spirit has probably left the bORG. This isnt the first shooting. A JW was murdered in USA on the ministry recently. Even before all this lockdown nonsense a brother was murdered in a Kingdom Hall in Devon UK, whilst doing some KH maintenance.
RK wont like me saying this, but my conscience won't allow me to not say it:
Those if you who have been hanging on, waiting for those evil men in Warwick to repent, or thinking you can help the ones still in. You need to get out if there or you could be the next casualty! I have seen the disgusting thing and left. You need to do the same now before it is too late.
FLEE!
''Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.'' Matt 24: 15-16

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amongst others Sky news mentions the woman in the parking lot.
Also Yahoo! News timeline as well as the Daily Mail mentions it..

"Police also said that before the attacker went into the building, he fired 10 shots at a woman in a car parked outside - but she managed to get away and notify police."

"About 9 p.m. — The perpetrator opens fire in the parking lot of the Kingdom Hall in the Gross Borstel district of Hamburg, firing 10 shots at a car. The woman who is driving it manages to get away with light injuries."

Paul H said:

A special police team without helmets doesnt look strange to me...every police-unit has their own specialized outfit. And since that police unit was relatively close to the scene (perhaps they were already sitting in a policevan on their way to some training session without helmets in another part of the city), they were able to arrive on the crimescene within 15 minutes. Also: riot police or military personnel wear a completely different outfit compared to other policeforce units.. not all of em wear helmets. His argument is far-fetched if you ask me.

The guy from the video finds it strange that the civilian guy was filming the shooter while fully zooming in on him from a relatively large distance.
Well, before the shooter started shooting in the KH, we shouldnt forget that he already fired 10 rounds while he was on the parkinglot downstairs. He tried to shoot a sister who was able to flee the scene in her car. After the sister escaped he moved upstairs and started shooting on the people inside. Hamburg is a big city. If someone fires 10 rounds on the streets with a semi-automatic firearm, of course this draws attention of other people nearby. And since modern day smartphones have advanced cameras on them that can easily zoom in 10 or 20x, or more, this isnt strange at all.. Again far-fetched if you ask me...

At some point in the video they show police officers who were indeed wearing helmets. Of course this isnt strange because news reports stated that at some point a bomb squad was searching the area for explosives and booby traps... Also by that time,(1+ hour after first-contact) all of Hamburg's police stations were moving towards the crimescene. They had a lot more time to prepare and to "grab their helmets" and what not...

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Hugo's latest post. He now refers to the shots in the car park.
He also references that JWs IDed the UN as the image of the Beast.
He hasnt got everything right, he hasn't realised that the difference between Jehovah and Jesus yet,but I believe he is an impartial, neutral news source that I mainly trust.

Watchman said:

Massacre of Jehovah’s Witnesses – Why did it happen?

KINGDOM BULLETIN #24 As everyone surely knows by now, on Thursday evening, March the 9th, a congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses was meeting together in a Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany. Toward the conclusion of the program, perhaps during prayer when the congregation stood with eyes closed and

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Last time I sent a message from you it wasn't received well. I'll try the PDF this time.