Seven Jehovah's Witnesses killed in Kingdom Hall shooting in Hamburg, Germany.

I am waiting on this week's JW.org headline: Kingdom Hall Massacres - What Does the Bible Say?

In the meantime, I will be writing up a little article explaining what the Bible actually says about it.
 
I don't understand how this keeps happening when they lock the doors after the meeting starts and have brothers posted as door attendants. They said this happened at around 9 on Thursday evening so obviously a meeting was in progress.
On a side note, a brother just collapsed at the hall last night and was carried out by ambulance, I was attending on zoom but brother on stage had to stop the meeting for awhile....certainly scary times.
 
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goldie said:
I don't understand how this keeps happening when they lock the doors after the meeting starts, and have brothers posted as door attendants.
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Details have not emerged yet, but it sounds like it was someone in attendance who toward the end of the meeting pulled out a gun and started shooting. Not much you can do about that. Maybe install metal detectors at the door and pat down everyone entering.
 
Watchman said:
Details have not emerged yet, but it sounds like it was someone in attendance who toward the end of the meeting pulled out a gun and started shooting. Not much you can do about that. Maybe install metal detectors at the door and pat down everyone entering.
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Oh ok, I must have missed that.
 
Latest reports say German police are searching for a motive into this shooting, let’s hope the elders are honest if it has anything to do with a shunning/disfellowing or even a victim of CSA
 
goldie said:
I don't understand how this keeps happening when they lock the doors after the meeting starts and have brothers posted as door attendants. They said this happened at around 9 on Thursday evening so obviously a meeting was in progress.
On a side note a brother just collapsed last night at the hall and was carried out by ambulance, I was attending on zoom but brother on stage had to stop the meeting for awhile....certainly scary times.
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By the timing of it, it appears as if the shooter waited until closing prayer when everyone had their eyes closed and their heads bowed. What do you bet that the German branch has already ordered the traumatized surviving members of the congregation not to reveal details of the massacre?
 
Picture of the shooter... according to German newsoutlet "Bild".
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German article HERE
BILD article HERE:

"After the deadly shots in the community rooms of Jehovah's Witnesses in Hamburg, in which eight people were killed and eight others were injured, some seriously, more details came to light. According to BILD information, it should be 35-year-old Philipp F., an employee of a business center."

according to another message on Twitter someone said: "Perpetrator Philipp F. (35) of the #Hamburg massacre describes himself on his company website as "multicultural" and "a self-proclaimed European"!"

According to police, the man shot a total of nine times while inside the building. He did so with a semi-automatic pistol, which he had legally bought in December.

On Friday afternoon, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Hamburg announced that there is also an unborn child among the fatalities. The girl would be born in about two months. The deceased persons are four men, two women, the unborn child and the perpetrator. About 50 people were in the building at the time of the shooting

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz shared his horror at the shooting on Twitter and expressed his condolences to the victims and relatives.

The perpetrator was a 35-year-old German, who was once a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Hamburg's Chief Prosecutor's Office confirmed reports from German media about the identity of the perpetrator. Why and when he left the religious group is not clear. Little is known about the man's motive.

According to the chief prosecutor, there is in any case no question of a politically motivated act. Police searched the man's home after the shooting. Among other things, fifteen full cartridge magazines were found. The perpetrator acted alone, according to police. There are no indications that there were multiple perpetrators, or that the perpetrator received help from someone else.

The Hamburg police chief stated that the perpetrator probably had mental problems. The man had no criminal record, but was known to the police. He had reported fraud in the past. The police recently gave him a warning, but did not consider further action necessary.
 
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exLuther said:
One report I saw said that there is cell phone video of the shooter taking shots through a window, which could explain getting in after the doors are locked.

So incredibly sad. Sending prayers to all.
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My concern with all these unfortunate shootings, suicides whatever, is how fragile the human mind is. We don't know the whole story yet but it did say former witness. Wonder where media got that terminology 🤔 hmmm. Did they talk with a witness affected (rhetorical?)

If gunman or others doing these horrible things are being shunned or angry about csa or anything about teachings, some just cannot peacefully move on. They don't get help for whole host of reasons. Some may have issues already. Their minds just reach that limit of sanity and all fuses blow.

I know Robert's commentary about these goings on and what the Bible says will be helpful in better understanding these ungodly things in our challenging times difficult to deal with. Looking forward to it.

These are just my ramblings. So sad.
 
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