Is the two part convention video "Commit Your Way To Jehovah" preparing us for the Fema camps?

Shekinah

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Soul Sage said:
When the government agencies LIE to us and promise safety and security. It's just like Satans LIE when he deceived Eve and then Adam. To be shrewd is understanding deceit and breaking through any propaganda but they call that being a conspiracy theorist. While safety is important we want to be sure it's not a trap to convince us to go to a concentration camp. Instead we should be independent of that and come together as a brotherhood without putting trust in these government agencies that make false promises of safety and security like prophesied in
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SusanB said:
I finally watched the 2 videos and there were quite long. As usual they mixed some good scriptural advice but twisted it to provide pressure to stick with the group and “trust those Jehovah trusts”. They kind of leave out the scriptures about putting ones to the test to make sure they are faithful, which test the org has already failed. They also used fear as a tool for manipulation. Their mentioning a “Kingdom Hall” inside the camp is also weird to me because I never felt like there was anything particularly special about the KHall and I always felt it was the people that made the congregation. Jehovah will remember his loyal ones.

These videos made me think of John the Baptizer. He preached their need for repentance and he was baptizing his disciples. The bible doesn’t explicitly say how successful John the Baptizer was except that 2 of Jesus apostles had previously been disciples of John. The scriptures also mention that he baptized many tax collectors and prostitutes but not many if any Pharisees. It appears that John was a Levite and was at the age where they usually perform priestly duties but he did not enter the priestly service and was preaching in the “wilderness of Judea”. So, in John’s case, he does not appear to have been an insider at the temple. I found that interesting. And, I cannot recall a scripture that shows our salvation will come from being part of a group, except for when we will symbolically grab hold of the robe of a “Jew”. When the Christian’s fled Jerusalem, I don’t think it was likely they did that as a group and the instructions to flee didn’t contain that admonishment to collect together as soon as possible, although I’m sure they did that once they got settled but my point is that their salvation did not depend on it.
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Thank you sis you made some interesting points x
 
The God Pill

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DR75 less 1 said:
Just thinking about the Romans Christians were warned to flee when they saw the disgusting thing standing where it ought not. Might that be the case coming up prehaps. Flee to the fema camps? Not sure about that one cuzzy bro. Then again if that is Jehovah punishing his people? Trampled on by the beast and all that?
Put it in the too hard basket for now.
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I don't recall scripture saying flee to the Roman army and their torture stakes nor the Christians when Jerusalem was under siege disobeying and fleeing to the Roman's rather than the mountains. Undoubtedly many millions of Christians will be captured and executed but as far as i know God hasn't ordered the great crowd to deliver ourselves to be executed only be willing to maintain integrity in the face of martyrdom if circumstances put us in that position.
 
Shekinah

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Perspective is important. When the Jews were led off to Babylon was it persecution or punishment from Jehovah? Obviously, it was the latter. The initial phase of the coming of Christ will not be persecution either. It will be punishment. Even Jesus said that the desolation of "Jerusalem"
"are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

Once the wrath has passed the chastened will be restored and brought into the Kingdom. That is the setting for the attack of Gog. That will be persecution, to which God will respond.
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This makes perfect sense, I'm sick of them saying that everything they go through is persecution even when called up before the Royal commission they're being persecuted 🙄
 
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My attitude is in the situations of if/when the CCP invades in WW3 or Blue helmets on behalf of the 8th king given their objective is mass depopulation of the citizenry/your neighbors etc (in the latter case especially of Christians) the rational response is to think of them as organized serial killers roaming around since the only difference is a uniform
 
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Shekinah

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Liv4ever said:
I personally know a brother that was in the death march. The brothers decided that they would stay together no matter what. During the march, the soldiers guarding them made a pretense of taking a break out of sight of the prisoners. Some made a break for it, but the brothers all agreed that they should not go for it. It turned out to be a setup. Because all those fleeing were shot down like dogs, but not a single witness perished.
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I think in this case there's a difference in being rounded up and forced into concentration camps, where as this situation it seems to be set up so as to turn to these camps for our basic needs and protection, instead of keeping on the watch as we should be doing and making preparation, similar to those who saw the soldiers surrounding Jerusalem and we're prepared to leave.
 
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Liv4ever said:
I personally know a brother that was in the death march. The brothers decided that they would stay together no matter what. During the march, the soldiers guarding them made a pretense of taking a break out of sight of the prisoners. Some made a break for it, but the brothers all agreed that they should not go for it. It turned out to be a setup. Because all those fleeing were shot down like dogs, but not a single witness perished.
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Those people were already captured. Tricked into fleeing they gave into cowardice. At that point it's a little too late. But it's a good point you brought out. Shrewdness is knowing when to hide or flee from danger before it presents itself.
Just like those young brothers that knew to flee from Ukraine before they were conscripted.
 
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they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” Rev 20:4
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As I read and reread this, a thought springs to mind that reference is being made here not strictly to the 144,000 but also the rest of the great crowd...slightly off topic
 
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SusanB said:
I’m with you on that. I think how incredibly arrogant for them to think they can dictate what we wear, what we say, what medicine to take, masks to cover our face and now where we live?
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Just as an aside; quite a few POW camps in Britain were turned into holiday camps after the war. Perhaps watchtower has its Bankers forward thinking on witnesses willingly walking into FEMA camps, to take over the FEMA camps after the tribulation to “house the resurrected ones” and maybe sell them on to Jehovah - after all, they have sold quite a number of Jehovah’s possessions to date. Like the couple that sold their field and said they gave all to the brethren, but held some back for their own use - mirrored today by the GB selling off halls built by the brethren to further the work elsewhere, but somehow, afford a nice new lakeside marble palace for themselves.
 
SusanB

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SusanB said:
I finally watched the 2 videos and there were quite long. As usual they mixed some good scriptural advice but twisted it to provide pressure to stick with the group and “trust those Jehovah trusts”. They kind of leave out the scriptures about putting ones to the test to make sure they are faithful, which test the org has already failed. They also used fear as a tool for manipulation. Their mentioning a “Kingdom Hall” inside the camp is also weird to me because I never felt like there was anything particularly special about the KHall and I always felt it was the people that made the congregation. Jehovah will remember his loyal ones.

These videos made me think of John the Baptizer. He preached their need for repentance and he was baptizing his disciples. The bible doesn’t explicitly say how successful John the Baptizer was except that 2 of Jesus apostles had previously been disciples of John. The scriptures also mention that he baptized many tax collectors and prostitutes but not many if any Pharisees. It appears that John was a Levite and was at the age where they usually perform priestly duties but he did not enter the priestly service and was preaching in the “wilderness of Judea”. So, in John’s case, he does not appear to have been an insider at the temple. I found that interesting. And, I cannot recall a scripture that shows our salvation will come from being part of a group, except for when we will symbolically grab hold of the robe of a “Jew”. When the Christian’s fled Jerusalem, I don’t think it was likely they did that as a group and the instructions to flee didn’t contain that admonishment to collect together as soon as possible, although I’m sure they did that once they got settled but my point is that their salvation did not depend on it.
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Zechariah 4:10: “For who has despised the day of small beginnings? For they will rejoice and see the plumb line in the hand of Ze·rubʹba·bel. These seven are the eyes of Jehovah, which are roving about in all the earth.”
 
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Liv4ever said:
As I read and reread this, a thought springs to mind that reference is being made here not strictly to the 144,000 but also the rest of the great crowd...slightly off topic
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That cannot possibly be true. The verse says that those who rule as kings with Christ were "executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God." If a person is executed they cannot survive Armageddon, not as a human anyway.
 
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That cannot possibly be true. The verse says that those who rule as kings with Christ were "executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God." If a person is executed they cannot survive Armageddon, not as a human anyway.
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Touché...I meant from the group of believers that die before Armageddon, which is not the gc
 
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4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.+ And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ+ for 1,000 years.

2 And I saw what seemed to be a glassy sea+ mingled with fire, and those who come off victorious+ from the wild beast and from its image+ and from the number+ of its name standing by* the glassy sea,+ having harps+ of God.
 
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kirmmy

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I, for me will not go voluntarily. The GB have proven to be notorious liars and to think only of themselves, so whoever shows up at my door telling me to go to a camp 'for my safety' will have to carry me. I will never go voluntarily!
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Yes, but that's how it went with the Jews in WW2. In some cases, the German officials would go to their house and tell them they were to report to the train station at a certain time. They would tell them it was to transport them somewhere "safe". In one case, a person in the know went to a Jewish family he knew and told them not to go, under any circumstance. He told them they wouldn't be sent anywhere good. The family listened to him, hid and survived the war, as I remember. BUT, some won't be given a choice. We don't know how things will play out. So yes, go with your conscience and spiritual knowledge but some will still end up in camps, no matter what. Jehovah may want you in that camp for some reason. He may want you there to encourage others. Or he may want you there to bear witness. It won't necessarily mean you'll die. But as Paul said, best not to kick against the goads. Pray that whatever happens be God's will just like Jesus did.
 
SusanB

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kirmmy said:
Yes, but that's how it went with the Jews in WW2. In some cases, the German officials would go to their house and tell them they were to report to the train station at a certain time. They would tell them it was to transport them somewhere "safe". In one case, a person in the know went to a Jewish family he knew and told them not to go, under any circumstance. He told them they wouldn't be sent anywhere good. The family listened to him, hid and survived the war, as I remember. BUT, some won't be given a choice. We don't know how things will play out. So yes, go with your conscience and spiritual knowledge but some will still end up in camps, no matter what. Jehovah may want you in that camp for some reason. He may want you there to encourage others. Or he may want you there to bear witness. It won't necessarily mean you'll die. But as Paul said, best not to kick against the goads. Pray that whatever happens be God's will just like Jesus did.
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Wouldn’t be nice to have just one simple answer? But nooo, we have to pray about it, reason on it and each situation could be different.
 
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