Is the two part convention video "Commit Your Way To Jehovah" preparing us for the Fema camps?

StopTheInsanity

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The problem is that the WT has already demonstrated they have sold out to the empire. When the "brotherhood" is finally given the long-awaited "life-saving instructions" by the "faithful slave" to go report to a government re-education camp, we are talking Jonestown, as in Jim Jones and the cyanide koolaid.
Someone else had replied:
Why not? Jehovah gave His people the chance to live in Babylon or death in the doomed city.
Likening the Great Tribulation to the recipients of an artillery attack, one place to be is probably as good as any other.
Let Jehovah position us where He will as we never know how or where He’ll use us.
“ If anyone is destined for captivity, he will go into captivity” Rev13:10

This is a good point and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, Robert, since in your book you mention how the image in the book of Daniel that the three Hebrews didn't bow down to and so they were thrown into the fiery furnace and saved by Michael foreshadows the image that true Christians won't bow down to and so Michael will stand up for his people then. That was a sort of "captivity"

I would love to know if you've written a commentary of Ezekiel 38 because might these FEMA camps be what is described by Ezekiel 38: 8-12

8 “‘“You will be given attention* after many days. In the final part of the years you will invade the land whose people have been restored from the ravages of the sword, collected together out of many peoples onto the mountains of Israel, which had long been lying devastated. The inhabitants of this land were restored from the peoples, and all of them dwell in security 9 You will come against them like a storm, and you will cover the land like clouds, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”’10 “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. 11 You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements.*j I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” 12 It will be to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places that are now inhabited and a people regathered from the nations, who are accumulating wealth and property, those who are living in the center of the earth.

And, if you don't think that we should follow the bad advice and go to the FEMA camps, then what do you think the scriptures will direct us to do as an alternative? Thanks
 

LuisMerino9412

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The entire two part video is about following direction from Jehovah & for a family to make their way to a Fema type camp, which Jehovah approves of while telling the family it's where they may be re-located indefinitely it was portrayed as a place of safety where Jehovah's people will congregate and even be able to witness to others 🙄😥

This is terrible and very sad... A glimpse of the "life saving instructions they will give in the future? Selling the sheep while they get money or benefits from the beast? This is very creepy, horrible, and awful. It's infuriating! It's horrible, terrible as I said. But we know it's written. Jesus... The worst is yet to happen.
That's why the Master said to leave the org once the beast is where it ought not.
 

LuisMerino9412

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Someone else had replied:
Why not? Jehovah gave His people the chance to live in Babylon or death in the doomed city.
Likening the Great Tribulation to the recipients of an artillery attack, one place to be is probably as good as any other.
Let Jehovah position us where He will as we never know how or where He’ll use us.
“ If anyone is destined for captivity, he will go into captivity” Rev13:10

This is a good point and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, Robert, since in your book you mention how the image in the book of Daniel that the three Hebrews didn't bow down to and so they were thrown into the fiery furnace and saved by Michael foreshadows the image that true Christians won't bow down to and so Michael will stand up for his people then. That was a sort of "captivity"

I would love to know if you've written a commentary of Ezekiel 38 because might these FEMA camps be what is described by Ezekiel 38: 8-12

8 “‘“You will be given attention* after many days. In the final part of the years you will invade the land whose people have been restored from the ravages of the sword, collected together out of many peoples onto the mountains of Israel, which had long been lying devastated. The inhabitants of this land were restored from the peoples, and all of them dwell in security 9 You will come against them like a storm, and you will cover the land like clouds, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”’10 “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. 11 You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements.*j I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” 12 It will be to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places that are now inhabited and a people regathered from the nations, who are accumulating wealth and property, those who are living in the center of the earth.

And, if you don't think that we should follow the bad advice and go to the FEMA camps, then what do you think the scriptures will direct us to do as an alternative? Thanks
The problem is not the instructions themselves, but those who will give them. Once Jesus comes, we must only listen to His voice, no one else's. The organization and its representatives will become a trap. We will have to abandon it forever. And once the chosen ones are sealed, we must only listen to them. In some way, we will know who are the true brothers of Jesus in the future. They will be our guidance until they are murdered by the beast. The good thing about this is that they will get what they deserve. The same beast they are serving and will serve in the future will destroy them in the future. And I think that will not be nice at all. They will probably have a horrible death just like Judas. Because selling Jehovah's sheep is something that is very serious and terrible.
 

LuisMerino9412

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The problem is that the WT has already demonstrated they have sold out to the empire. When the "brotherhood" is finally given the long-awaited "life-saving instructions" by the "faithful slave" to go report to a government re-education camp, we are talking Jonestown, as in Jim Jones and the cyanide koolaid.
Yeah. Terrible and very very sad. :/ :'(
 

StopTheInsanity

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At hour 4 minute 36 second 41 there is a trailer for the film than never got out entitled "Grey State"

Then, at 4:39:25 he talks about the white apron on the executioner and the triangle "mark of the beast" on the forearm that enables one to "buy and sell" and says that the film-maker is trying to show up who is behind it all (hint: it ties into the Freemason thread)

 

StopTheInsanity

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The problem is not the instructions themselves, but those who will give them. Once Jesus comes, we must only listen to His voice, no one else's. The organization and its representatives will become a trap. We will have to abandon it forever. And once the chosen ones are sealed, we must only listen to them. In some way, we will know who are the true brothers of Jesus in the future. They will be our guidance until they are murdered by the beast. The good thing about this is that they will get what they deserve. The same beast they are serving and will serve in the future will destroy them in the future. And I think that will not be nice at all. They will probably have a horrible death just like Judas. Because selling Jehovah's sheep is something that is very serious and terrible.
I agree with everything that you say, but I am wondering if the bad advice comes before all of that and so that is why I am asking. I think the false brothers will betray the true ones and have them sent to these camps and they will be beheaded and THEN instantly resurrected and we will then listen to them. But all of this comes later...Revelation may refer to this.

Revelation 6:9:

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls*q of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. 10 They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

And Revelation 20:4:

New International Version
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This video shows guillotines in those camps: (at 4:37:42)
 

LuisMerino9412

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I agree with everything that you say, but I am wondering if the bad advice comes before all of that and so that is why I am asking. I think the false brothers will betray the true ones and have them sent to these camps and they will be beheaded and THEN instantly resurrected and we will then listen to them. But all of this comes later...Revelation may refer to this.

Revelation 6:9:

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls*q of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. 10 They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?

And Revelation 20:4:

New International Version
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This video shows guillotines in those camps: (at 4:37:42)
I think (from what I have learnt) that the Watchtower will be dissolved and even maybe destroyed. But the wicked ones will continue to survive until Armageddon or until the beast kills them. I think they will sell the brothers once the last days begin, during the tribulation, and even after the tribulation. Once the eighth king starts to reign, they will continue serving it. I think that what will happen is that the satanic element inside the org, the coven of masons and other secret societies that have infiltrated it from the very beginning will take control of it and get rid of all those who will not obey them. They will "expelled from the synagogues" as Jesus said. But, obviously, not for the good reasons. And because they will be seen as "wicked apostates" or maybe in another way, but anyway a really bad way, they will not care in giving them to the authorities to the beast, that might even be an "excuse" to do it or an extra reason to do it or not to care. Jws truly hate apostates and I think that hate will increase even more in the future to all those who will abandon the org once it falls completely under Satan's control. So, they will not care or will do it happily. Besides, many will do anything to save their lives including that.
So, in conclusion, I think this will happen during the whole period of the last days until the chosen ones are murdered by the beast. But the chosen ones will not be murdered until the end of the 3 1/2, something that will trigger the 7 bowls of wrath and ultimately the destruction of Babylon the Great and Armageddon.
Regarding the life savings instructions, I think they will be given before and maybe even during the tribulation. And maybe even after, because Revelation shows that the waters coming from the Watchtower will be poisoned. But after the tribulation, there will be clear distinction between the evil ones and righteous.
The life saving instructions might also be part or will be what the foolish virgins will "buy" from those who have oil when they realize they are not ready for the Master's arrival. So, even some real anointed ones, but that will not be ready will be victims of the Watchtower or who knows what. Very sad.
On the other hand, the chosen ones will be murdered by the beast not because they will hear those life saving instructions but because they will give witness that they have seen Christ and will condemn this world. They will have already abandoned the Watchtower when that happens.
What is important is that we do not pay attention to anything that the Watchtower will say or provide once Jesus comes.
 
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kirmmy

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When the government agencies LIE to us and promise safety and security. It's just like Satans LIE when he deceived Eve and then Adam. To be shrewd is understanding deceit and breaking through any propaganda but they call that being a conspiracy theorist. While safety is important we want to be sure it's not a trap to convince us to go to a concentration camp. Instead we should be independent of that and come together as a brotherhood without putting trust in these government agencies that make false promises of safety and security like prophesied in the last days.
I think we're probably going to end up in concentration camps no matter what. In WW2 many witnesses in Germany ended up in Hitler's camps. A few died but the majority walked out when the beast was put down. It will probably be pretty similar.

I think they're "life giving instructions" will lead to the exact opposite. "Take that fancy mark so that we can stay out of those horrible camps Brothers. Trust us, that isn't the mark of the beast it just assures us that we can continue in our peaceful worship to Jehovah" or some such twaddle.
 

SusanB

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I think we're probably going to end up in concentration camps no matter what. In WW2 many witnesses in Germany ended up in Hitler's camps. A few died but the majority walked out when the beast was put down. It will probably be pretty similar.

I think they're "life giving instructions" will lead to the exact opposite. "Take that fancy mark so that we can stay out of those horrible camps Brothers. Trust us, that isn't the mark of the beast it just assures us that we can continue in our peaceful worship to Jehovah" or some such twaddle.
I haven’t watched the videos but I agree that if you get arrested and taken to a camp, what’cha gonna do?
 

evw

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I haven’t watched the videos but I agree that if you get arrested and taken to a camp, what’cha gonna do?
I, for me will not go voluntarily. The GB have proven to be notorious liars and to think only of themselves, so whoever shows up at my door telling me to go to a camp 'for my safety' will have to carry me. I will never go voluntarily!
 

SusanB

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The entire two part video is about following direction from Jehovah & for a family to make their way to a Fema type camp, which Jehovah approves of while telling the family it's where they may be re-located indefinitely it was portrayed as a place of safety where Jehovah's people will congregate and even be able to witness to others 🙄😥

I finally watched the 2 videos and there were quite long. As usual they mixed some good scriptural advice but twisted it to provide pressure to stick with the group and “trust those Jehovah trusts”. They kind of leave out the scriptures about putting ones to the test to make sure they are faithful, which test the org has already failed. They also used fear as a tool for manipulation. Their mentioning a “Kingdom Hall” inside the camp is also weird to me because I never felt like there was anything particularly special about the KHall and I always felt it was the people that made the congregation. Jehovah will remember his loyal ones.

These videos made me think of John the Baptizer. He preached their need for repentance and he was baptizing his disciples. The bible doesn’t explicitly say how successful John the Baptizer was except that 2 of Jesus apostles had previously been disciples of John. The scriptures also mention that he baptized many tax collectors and prostitutes but not many if any Pharisees. It appears that John was a Levite and was at the age where they usually perform priestly duties but he did not enter the priestly service and was preaching in the “wilderness of Judea”. So, in John’s case, he does not appear to have been an insider at the temple. I found that interesting. And, I cannot recall a scripture that shows our salvation will come from being part of a group, except for when we will symbolically grab hold of the robe of a “Jew”. When the Christian’s fled Jerusalem, I don’t think it was likely they did that as a group and the instructions to flee didn’t contain that admonishment to collect together as soon as possible, although I’m sure they did that once they got settled but my point is that their salvation did not depend on it.
 

SusanB

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I, for me will not go voluntarily. The GB have proven to be notorious liars and to think only of themselves, so whoever shows up at my door telling me to go to a camp 'for my safety' will have to carry me. I will never go voluntarily!
I’m with you on that. I think how incredibly arrogant for them to think they can dictate what we wear, what we say, what medicine to take, masks to cover our face and now where we live?
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I finally watched the 2 videos and there were quite long. As usual they mixed some good scriptural advice but twisted it to provide pressure to stick with the group and “trust those Jehovah trusts”. They kind of leave out the scriptures about putting ones to the test to make sure they are faithful, which test the org has already failed. They also used fear as a tool for manipulation. Their mentioning a “Kingdom Hall” inside the camp is also weird to me because I never felt like there was anything particularly special about the KHall and I always felt it was the people that made the congregation. Jehovah will remember his loyal ones.

These videos made me think of John the Baptizer. He preached their need for repentance and he was baptizing his disciples. The bible doesn’t explicitly say how successful John the Baptizer was except that 2 of Jesus apostles had previously been disciples of John. The scriptures also mention that he baptized many tax collectors and prostitutes but not many if any Pharisees. It appears that John was a Levite and was at the age where they usually perform priestly duties but he did not enter the priestly service and was preaching in the “wilderness of Judea”. So, in John’s case, he does not appear to have been an insider at the temple. I found that interesting. And, I cannot recall a scripture that shows our salvation will come from being part of a group, except for when we will symbolically grab hold of the robe of a “Jew”. When the Christian’s fled Jerusalem, I don’t think it was likely they did that as a group and the instructions to flee didn’t contain that admonishment to collect together as soon as possible, although I’m sure they did that once they got settled but my point is that their salvation did not depend on it.
One wonders where the governing body will be. Are they going to willingly go to one of these camps too, - I do not think so - or do they hope to remain in their luxury apartments by the lake? There is so much out of kilter with these two videos. The context is so wrong. Clearly their concept of Africa has had no contact with reality. If one is to remain safe during this time, then their priority is to look for motive in those offering to guide them. This is in fact, what this watchtower clap-trap of instruction is about.
1/ The bargaining chip of the watchtower is what it has to bargain with. The obedience of eight million people.
2/ Control of those people gives them a degree of safety - “We will deliver these people in every country into your hand and ensure their compliance.
3/ It is a striking example of the blindness and deafness of Jehovah’s people that they cannot see this.
4/ Surely, if the GB believed in its self-appointed role, they would be standing up at this time to protect their people. They are supposed to be at the very hub of Jehovah’s expression on earth, the “Spiritual Paradise” the “Channel” through which the Creator of the entire universe and all that is in it speaks to His people, and yet they have no faith at all in their being able to provide for the flock at every one of their watchtower centres they have in each country for the dissemination of Truth and Faith. Rather, they deliver the flock personally into the very hands of Satan and his, very effective, world wide “organisation” of death, disease and opposition to Jehovah.
5/ Watchtower have excelled in their role of treachery . True agents of Satan for those with eyes to see it. What next?!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Someone else had replied:
Why not? Jehovah gave His people the chance to live in Babylon or death in the doomed city.
Likening the Great Tribulation to the recipients of an artillery attack, one place to be is probably as good as any other.
Let Jehovah position us where He will as we never know how or where He’ll use us.
“ If anyone is destined for captivity, he will go into captivity” Rev13:10

This is a good point and I'd love to hear your thoughts on it, Robert, since in your book you mention how the image in the book of Daniel that the three Hebrews didn't bow down to and so they were thrown into the fiery furnace and saved by Michael foreshadows the image that true Christians won't bow down to and so Michael will stand up for his people then. That was a sort of "captivity"

I would love to know if you've written a commentary of Ezekiel 38 because might these FEMA camps be what is described by Ezekiel 38: 8-12

8 “‘“You will be given attention* after many days. In the final part of the years you will invade the land whose people have been restored from the ravages of the sword, collected together out of many peoples onto the mountains of Israel, which had long been lying devastated. The inhabitants of this land were restored from the peoples, and all of them dwell in security 9 You will come against them like a storm, and you will cover the land like clouds, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.”’10 “This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan. 11 You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements.*j I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.” 12 It will be to take much spoil and plunder, to attack the devastated places that are now inhabited and a people regathered from the nations, who are accumulating wealth and property, those who are living in the center of the earth.

And, if you don't think that we should follow the bad advice and go to the FEMA camps, then what do you think the scriptures will direct us to do as an alternative? Thanks
Stop the Insanity said: “And, if you don't think that we should follow the bad advice and go to the FEMA camps, then what do you think the scriptures will direct us to do as an alternative? “

The bible is quite plain. “Put not your faith in men, but in every utterance from Jehovah”. Why ask of those that cannot tell you and put temptation in their way? Any reply from any source can only be conjecture, learned or not, honestly given with altruism or otherwise. And when given an answer on such grounds, you then question that to reveal the point you had in mind originally. What is your motive may I ask?
 

Watchman

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Perspective is important. When the Jews were led off to Babylon was it persecution or punishment from Jehovah? Obviously, it was the latter. The initial phase of the coming of Christ will not be persecution either. It will be punishment. Even Jesus said that the desolation of "Jerusalem"
"are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

Once the wrath has passed the chastened will be restored and brought into the Kingdom. That is the setting for the attack of Gog. That will be persecution, to which God will respond.
 

DR75 less 1

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Just thinking about the Romans Christians were warned to flee when they saw the disgusting thing standing where it ought not. Might that be the case coming up prehaps. Flee to the fema camps? Not sure about that one cuzzy bro. Then again if that is Jehovah punishing his people? Trampled on by the beast and all that?
Put it in the too hard basket for now.
 
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Liv4ever

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I think we're probably going to end up in concentration camps no matter what. In WW2 many witnesses in Germany ended up in Hitler's camps. A few died but the majority walked out when the beast was put down. It will probably be pretty similar.
I personally know a brother that was in the death march. The brothers decided that they would stay together no matter what. During the march, the soldiers guarding them made a pretense of taking a break out of sight of the prisoners. Some made a break for it, but the brothers all agreed that they should not go for it. It turned out to be a setup. Because all those fleeing were shot down like dogs, but not a single witness perished.
 

kenmuldoon55

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The eighth king needs those to fulfill the prophecy concerning the method he kills Christs brothers with.
“And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had refused to worship the beast or his image, and had not accepted his mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” Rev 20:4
 
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