Anyone experienced this negative state of mind before or now?

PJ54

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Hi PJ54, I don’t want to say anything that would be negative to you or hurtful. But what I do want to say is that for me, I realize that with the current human “frame of reference” I think it is hard to understand just what living forever really means. But re-wiring my brain has included that I consciously focus on the things that I now enjoy or would like to enjoy but have little time. Such as playing a guitar, caring for animals, working in a garden. Some things I can never seem to get enough of, like exploring the ocean. Now to some people the beach may seem tedious. You get sand all over and the clean-up takes effort and time. But to me, the ocean is an incredible awe-inspiring universe. I never get tired of it. So, I look forward to living forever because I can then pick something I want to explore and spend years and years really getting to know all of the wonders and intricacies of that particular thing or subject. And, then once I have mastered that particular field, I can then focus on another incredible pastime or passion. Plus, I enjoy getting to know people and think of how we will have time to learn about the people too. The bible describes it as an interchange of encouragement. I love hearing other people’s expression of faith. I will never get bored or tired of that.

Last but not least is that we will have the opportunity to get to know our Creator, Jehovah. We will never know everything about him but we will have the opportunity to know so much more. Once I meditate on these types of things, my love of living forever increases and I want to be there. I will never tire of the beauty, the humor, the invigorating life on this planet. So, this is an appreciation that I never had before knowing the truth of the bible. Now that I imagine it and meditate on it, I desire it and hope for it. Not sure if this helps you but I thought I’d express my thoughts to you with the hope that I can impart something positive. Much love to you.
Now thinking about it; I have had difficulty to develop any desire for anything. I presume this world beat it out of me as well as the narrow view the Org presents.
It is a problem for many in that they look too far ahead. Living forever - we cannot even accurately imagine our old age, or looking back, see ourselves as in our youth. Like PjJ54 we all look for solutions to our seemingly unstable mental approach to life, but it will not be found. If there ever was a time that humans were living a lie, it is now. The norm of what we see about us, is dreadfully skewed in favour of Satan and we take for normal, the things that Adam would be horrified about. When Jehovah says that He ‘has in store for those that love him, undreamt of things’, I for one am happy to wait for that. How can we possibly be unhappy when our creator will restore perfection to us?
Yeah your right. I've been overthinking way ahead of time rather than taking it one day at a time. Plus, it's hard to imagine good things with how the world has been running. I have to remind myself these things! Lol
 

TheJehuChariot

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I have mentioned this in the past on the main site briefly but nowhere else. There are two phobias that aren't in the conventional realm of phobias. I'm sure many of you may have had of phobias such as arachnophobia (fear of spiders), thalassophobia (fear of deep bodies of water), ophidiophobia (fear of snakes), acrophobia (fear of heights), etc. These phobias I am mentioning are more on the existential side where it's in the mind rather than something in the external world around you. The first one is cherophobia (fear of happiness/joy). There's even a wiki page on the matter: Aversion to happiness. The other is apeirophobia (fear/dread of eternity/infinity). There really isn't much info on the subject on the matter save one webpage I found: APEIROPHOBIA – OBSERVATIONS/ HYPOTHESIS/THEORY. Unfortunately, I have been suffering from these long before I learned the Truth & it has stifled me in faith at times. When I was studying my teacher was perplexed why I seldom mention what my hopes are for the new earth/new system of things/new age as well as mentioning the new system of things at all. Many of the friends noticed this over the years & wondered why. I never really talked about it except indirectly mentioning it to the elders in a shepherding call (before the global congregation merge). They didn't really know what to say since I suppose they never heard of anyone being afraid of the new system or shall I say eternal life itself. I hate being like this since it fills my with rage & despair to the point of borderline madness which brings along an existential crisis into the fray. Am I going crazy or is it something else?
Hi PJ54, I feel your plight. I wanted to share for the intent to encourage, for what its worth... :)

https://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php?threads/the-paradise-ahead-an-article-to-inspire.109/
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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It is a problem for many in that they look too far ahead. Living forever - we cannot even accurately imagine our old age, or looking back, see ourselves as in our youth. Like PjJ54 we all look for solutions to our seemingly unstable mental approach to life, but it will not be found. If there ever was a time that humans were living a lie, it is now. The norm of what we see about us, is dreadfully skewed in favour of Satan and we take for normal, the things that Adam would be horrified about. When Jehovah says that He ‘has in store for those that love him, undreamt of things’, I for one am happy to wait for that. How can we possibly be unhappy when our creator will restore perfection to us?
BTD
I know that you’re absolutely right. When Jehovah says that He has in store for those who love him, things that we can’t even imagine…I wholeheartedly believe this to be true.

So I have to constantly keep reminding myself of this. If I could only stop being overwhelmed with so many anxious thoughts that go through my mind, I would be able to focus better and remember those important reminders at the time I really needed too.

Thank you my brother.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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BTD
I know that you’re absolutely right. When Jehovah says that He has in store for those who love him, things that we can’t even imagine…I wholeheartedly believe this to be true.

So I have to constantly keep reminding myself of this. If I could only stop being overwhelmed with so many anxious thoughts that go through my mind, I would be able to focus better and remember those important reminders at the time I really needed too.

Thank you my brother.
Faith is a difficult commodity to balance in the mind. Are we deceiving ourselves, are we creating a panacea to placate our anxiety? Do we reach for any excuse to prove to ourselves that God has answered our prayers? One can understand Thomas refusing to believe Christ had risen, unless he saw the wounds for himself. Sometimes, life seems as though it is one long self-delusion - at least, these are the thoughts that cross my mind on a regular basis. I think it is called normality - whatever that may be. The bible even tells us to check that what we learn is true. How does one check if faith is true unless it is tested by an outside force? Therein, lies the secret.
Watchtower makes faith easy. “Stick with us. You will be safe”. Morris said. I think it was him. One of them anyway. But we know better than that. The bible says to expect our faith to be tried by the wicked one. So these pangs Of distress are to be accepted as par for the course. But that in itself, demands a degree of complacency that watchtower suggest by “leaning on Jehovah“ or worse, “wait on Jehovah”. You cannot wait on Jehovah for your own faith. It comes from your heart.

In the end analysis though, the key is to invest our faith wisely, based on knowledge of Jehovah and acceptance of His word. He asks us to “taste and see if His word is not true” and if that is the case, then we must learn to trust Jehovah to see us through and the best way to achieve that, is to simply believe Him when He says ”Do not be terrified”. So do not be terrified. “For these things must occur.” If Jehovah can produce water to satiate the needs of the Jewish nation out of a rock, and send bread to feed them like dew forming in the morning on a desert land, then He will care for us. I have found it to be true, that simply accepting the word of Jehovah as true, settles a great deal of the above feelings and reasoning. Certainly, one has to watch out for over-simplification and complacency, but if we carry the examples with us of how Jehovah has indeed provided for His people, then it comes to feel a far more natural sense of reasoning that builds a good wall against doubt and fear. “Taste and see for yourself” as the bible suggests. You will find it a huge aid in favour of your day to day misgivings and worries. I do, you do, and I’m sure many others do here too. One does not have to remind themselves when they believe themselves in their faith, as Thomas found out when Christ replied to him, “Blessed are those who have not seen, but have faith.” Probably one of the most emphatic and key scriptures in the entire Bible.
 

יהוה_saves

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@PJ54

How are you doing. are you still struggling with this?

It must be really difficult to live with- but tapping into God via prayer is the most powerful tool that you have at your disposal. Exploit it.

Keep fighting these thoughts and feels- because that is really what they are- they’re thoughts and feelings. They’re not real. That doesn’t mean that they don’t cause REAL pain, and REAL verklempt.

You must keep fighting these feelings and thoughts off and replace them with feelings of well being.

I will keep you (this situation you’re in) in my prays now at all times.

Also, you’re not alone. I have a phobia of passing from summer to fall and eventually to winter. I also do a lot of future tripping and other fears i can’t quite define, but they’ve diminished the more i beg God to remove them. But I have to keep on top of it because they come back.

Don’t know if you ever tried reading the Socratic questions- they’re interesting.
 
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BagdadBill

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I missed this one. I liked
I spoke to my therapist about it and he said it's best not to ponder on it.
I must have missed this thread when you started it. I really like this remark because it proves my point that some people will say most anything if they don't really know what to say. Don't ponder on it but to not think about it means that I'm thinking about which was the problem in the first place. It's Ralph Kramden in hell.
I can't say that I don't understand because I've worried about paradise. What if I make it and it wasn't what I thought? What about this or what about that? While still a study I initially worried about the scripture (written to the anointed) that says we won't be married etc. I reasoned some of my problems out for myself over time. A sister once told me that whatever it ends up being, it will be right because of God.
See part of the problem for me was not knowing how to happy in the present. It's perspective and I know but anyone who says they're happy right now is bold faced liar.
Paradise as I understand it being Burgess Meredith in the Twilight Zone episode "Time enough at last" except we won't need glasses.
 

PJ54

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@PJ54

How are you doing. are you still struggling with this?

It must be really difficult to live with- but tapping into God via prayer is the most powerful tool that you have at your disposal. Exploit it.

Keep fighting these thoughts and feels- because that is really what they are- they’re thoughts and feelings. They’re not real. That doesn’t mean that they don’t cause REAL pain, and REAL verklempt.

You must keep fighting these feelings and thoughts off and replace them with feelings of well being.

I will keep you (this situation you’re in) in my prays now at all times.

Also, you’re not alone. I have a phobia of passing from summer to fall and eventually to winter. I also do a lot of future tripping and other fears i can’t quite define, but they’ve diminished the more i beg God to remove them. But I have to keep on top of it because they come back.

Don’t know if you ever tried reading the Socratic questions- they’re interesting.
I'm hanging in there! Trying to fight of the nihilistic thoughts though it's a challenge. It can trigger a meltdown hear & there but taking it one day at a time is how I do things. Thank you btw!
 

Truth_Seeker

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Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God. We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him. By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, we also are in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because He first loved us.
1 John 4:15‭-‬19
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I'm hanging in there! Trying to fight of the nihilistic thoughts though it's a challenge. It can trigger a meltdown hear & there but taking it one day at a time is how I do things. Thank you btw!
PJ so sorry you’re having these extreme negative feelings. Do you know why this is?

I know that I’ve been having to deal with very strong negative feelings I sometimes don’t understand because of living under very different circumstances. But I try not to let it get the best of me. I know that you’re probably doing something similar.

Prayer to Jehovah does help greatly…really! Of course, it will usually come back, but even the little time Jehovah helps me get through moments of down time I’m grateful for that. I take it that He wants us to come to him, not just occasionally but He wants us to come to him often.

In that way we’re learning to continue to rely upon him, particularly as we get closer to the end and the things happening in our life become more intense!
 

יהוה_saves

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PJ so sorry you’re having these extreme negative feelings. Do you know why this is?

I know that I’ve been having to deal with very strong negative feelings I sometimes don’t understand because of living under very different circumstances. But I try not to let it get the best of me. I know that you’re probably doing something similar.

Prayer to Jehovah does help greatly…really! Of course, it will usually come back, but even the little time Jehovah helps me get through moments of down time I’m grateful for that. I take it that He wants us to come to him, not just occasionally but He wants us to come to him often.

In that way we’re learning to continue to rely upon him, particularly as we get closer to the end and the things happening in our life become more intense!
you’re so right.

Prayer is super powerful- it’s the only thing that has really gotten me through some tough times and more to come.

very well said!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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you’re so right.

Prayer is super powerful- it’s the only thing that has really gotten me through some tough times and more to come.

very well said!
Like so many of us we will come to realize that Jehovah wants us to continue to come to him for help. Just think about it…we live in a “world lying in the power of the wicked one.”
I believe that this is just Jehovah’s way of letting us know that in spite of that he will still be there for us.

It’s just like Jesus said, we have to “keep on asking…keep on seeking…keep on knocking…” We just have to ‘keep on praying’ and even when those moments of relief come, be grateful…we just keep talking to Jehovah.
 

PJ54

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PJ so sorry you’re having these extreme negative feelings. Do you know why this is?
Well, I suppose it comes from my upbringing, interactions in school, & being neurodivergent. It wasn't ideal to say the least. The thing is that it wasn't just a situation in the past. It was ongoing & the vast majority of my life. Even today I still struggle with situations that stress my nerves. It isn't just nihilistic thoughts though, it's coupled with rage & meltdowns. My experience with life has lead me to dread being alive unfortunately & this has lead to many existential crisis's.
 

יהוה_saves

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Well, I suppose it comes from my upbringing, interactions in school, & being neurodivergent. It wasn't ideal to say the least. The thing is that it wasn't just a situation in the past. It was ongoing & the vast majority of my life. Even today I still struggle with situations that stress my nerves. It isn't just nihilistic thoughts though, it's coupled with rage & meltdowns. My experience with life has lead me to dread being alive unfortunately & this has lead to many existential crisis's.
i wish i could hug you right now.

you’re not alone.
 

xrt469

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Well, I suppose it comes from my upbringing, interactions in school, & being neurodivergent. It wasn't ideal to say the least. The thing is that it wasn't just a situation in the past. It was ongoing & the vast majority of my life. Even today I still struggle with situations that stress my nerves. It isn't just nihilistic thoughts though, it's coupled with rage & meltdowns. My experience with life has lead me to dread being alive unfortunately & this has lead to many existential crisis's.
I don't have any sage words of advice. I will say that I value your contributions here. The article you posted on the Matthew 25:34 thread was perfect and just what I needed. I also enjoy the older articles that you post daily. Thank you!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Well, I suppose it comes from my upbringing, interactions in school, & being neurodivergent. It wasn't ideal to say the least. The thing is that it wasn't just a situation in the past. It was ongoing & the vast majority of my life. Even today I still struggle with situations that stress my nerves. It isn't just nihilistic thoughts though, it's coupled with rage & meltdowns. My experience with life has lead me to dread being alive unfortunately & this has lead to many existential crisis's.
If you don’t mind me asking, what are your triggers…what brings those feelings on? Or do you feel like that at any given time? I’m not a psychologist but in some ways I can relate to what you’re feeling.

Is there ever a period of time you feel at peace?
When I pray to Jehovah now I appreciate those moments that I have peace within myself. We just have to keep on praying.

You seem to express positive thoughts throughout some of the threads on the forum. I’ve read your comments and they show you have a deep love for Jehovah….But I do know we can be hurting and at the same time appear as if we’re strong. I always read the daily texts you post that’s always something I needed. Believe me,I know you’re very much appreciated.

I very much relate to what you’re experiencing and if that is the case with you. Don’t fret…believe me…Jehovah hears ‘your voice and your pleas for help.’
I will certainly keep praying for you. A big hug for you brother.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Hola de nuevo. Teniendo claro que no soy terapeuta, solo puedo hablarte bajo mi experiencia, que fue la de mi familia, una experiencia común. Sabemos lo que se siente al ser un blanco demoniaco. Te coloca en otra dimensión. Primero te diría que para ser objeto del diablo o bien has abierto alguna puerta, consciente o no, bien cine o libros o contacto con gente que trabaja lo con lo oculto. En nuestro caso fue mudarnos puerta con puerta con una persona que estaba poseída y que era Testigo de Jehová, algo que nos resultó inimaginable. La otra opción es que seas un blanco del diablo y eso es algo que todo cristiano puede experimentar, acuérdate de Job. Examina bien tu vida y elimina cosas que puedan tener que ver con lo que no es limpio, positivo y bueno. La televisión es una puerta gigante para sentar en tu sofá a los demonios. Cuidado! No es ninguna tontería. Si ves películas sobre mundos maligno y te proporcionas sentimientos negativo deja de verlas. Recuerda siempre que si te opones al diablo y a su mundo el huirá de ti. La superstición no tiene base bíblica, nuestro destino no está escrito, y siempre tenemos la oportunidad de cambiar. Ordena tus emociones. Decía tu tiempo a lo positivo, ora intensamente y pídele guía a Jehová ofreciendo cambios en tu vida. Deja las películas negativas, nuestra mente en muy frágil, no está hecha para este mundo. Me encantaría tenerte cara a cara para conversar mejor. Ora y ten paciencia. A nosotros nos costó un tiempo dejar de sentirnos así. Pero se puede!!! Después de mis pesadillas siempre leía el foro e- watchman y me enfocaba en profecías. Convertí lo malo en bueno por el hábito. Así fue como dejé de tenerlas. El diablo intentó de muchas formas en nuestra vida de una forma muy directa. Apartaté de todo de lo que sospeche. Todo lo que sientes en este mundo desaparecerá en el paraíso y esa es la meta!!! Vamos!! Nos vemos allí con una sonrisa de oreja a oreja!!!! Domina tu mente, autodominio se llama. Que nunca te domine a ti.
Now that is sound advice Ana. Absolutely true and worth taking note of. Where have you been? I have not seen you around lately. 👍
 
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PJ54

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If you don’t mind me asking, what are your triggers…what brings those feelings on? Or do you feel like that at any given time? I’m not a psychologist but in some ways I can relate to what you’re feeling.

Is there ever a period of time you feel at peace?
When I pray to Jehovah now I appreciate those moments that I have peace within myself. We just have to keep on praying.

You seem to express positive thoughts throughout some of the threads on the forum. I’ve read your comments and they show you have a deep love for Jehovah….But I do know we can be hurting and at the same time appear as if we’re strong. I always read the daily texts you post that’s always something I needed. Believe me,I know you’re very much appreciated.

I very much relate to what you’re experiencing and if that is the case with you. Don’t fret…believe me…Jehovah hears ‘your voice and your pleas for help.’
I will certainly keep praying for you. A big hug for you brother.
In regards to triggers, any thing of conflict can do it. Even situations that aren't conflictual, I can still perceive them as a threat. It's the paranoia that gets the ball rolling down hill.
 
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