Birthdays. Biblical proof they should be celebrated.

MickHewitt said:
Total agreement with scripture: Romans 14:5 "One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind". Ofcourse Watchtower does not promote this scripture it's too free thinking!
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Every day is special when you come up with these gems Mick. From now on, I shall celebrate Micklemas!!
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I have always thought that birthdays were an opportunity to show a bit of appreciation and reward to children. It gives something to work for and yes, does make the recipient a bit special. I like to feel appreciated too. Does anyone here not like to feel appreciated? I have never been able to reconcile watchtowers claim that to give someone a present of love and appreciation is idolatrous. We give such gifts every day with appreciating a meal and thanking the cook. For everyone seated at the table expressing thanks and appreciation for preparation is done everyday and does not make the chef idolised. Again, watchtower has never come up with a clear explanation as to why celebrating anniversaries is ok but birthdays no! They are both special to the recipient. Idolising someone is not a problem of numeracy . It can be achieved one on one, - or in birthdays, when many celebrate the one - which was their lame excuse about birthdays. And what then, of the many rejoicing with the bride and groom at a wedding!? I regret not celebrating my children’s birth and depriving them of attention that was much needed in their mind. Do we really idolise people by buying them a gift on the day they were born? The bible is clear on issues of intent - ”the man committing adultery in his heart.” is as guilty as if he had. Birthdays are about love and appreciation - two things you cannot give when you are dead! Watchtower is about control. It has neither love or appreciation for its sheep. It accepts readily the welcome displays of idolatrous crowds when they arrive at airports and when soliciting donations (which it denies it ever asks for) and it has no love for anyone, only a use as a cash cow. And, they use scripture to support their needs. If that is not idolatry of self, then tell me what is. Happy birthday everyone!
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Wow I really enjoyed your post. I never did know how to explain this to anyone without sounding like a fanatical nut woman. So I stayed away from this as much as possible in studies etc.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I have always thought that birthdays were an opportunity to show a bit of appreciation and reward to children. It gives something to work for and yes, does make the recipient a bit special. I like to feel appreciated too. Does anyone here not like to feel appreciated? I have never been able to reconcile watchtowers claim that to give someone a present of love and appreciation is idolatrous. We give such gifts every day with appreciating a meal and thanking the cook. For everyone seated at the table expressing thanks and appreciation for preparation is done everyday and does not make the chef idolised. Again, watchtower has never come up with a clear explanation as to why celebrating anniversaries is ok but birthdays no! They are both special to the recipient. Idolising someone is not a problem of numeracy . It can be achieved one on one, - or in birthdays, when many celebrate the one - which was their lame excuse about birthdays. And what then, of the many rejoicing with the bride and groom at a wedding!? I regret not celebrating my children’s birth and depriving them of attention that was much needed in their mind. Do we really idolise people by buying them a gift on the day they were born? The bible is clear on issues of intent - ”the man committing adultery in his heart.” is as guilty as if he had. Birthdays are about love and appreciation - two things you cannot give when you are dead! Watchtower is about control. It has neither love or appreciation for its sheep. It accepts readily the welcome displays of idolatrous crowds when they arrive at airports and when soliciting donations (which it denies it ever asks for) and it has no love for anyone, only a use as a cash cow. And, they use scripture to support their needs. If that is not idolatry of self, then tell me what is. Happy birthday everyone!
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I appreciate your post and at the end of the day it is up to each individual whether they choose to celebrate or not. We all have free will and choices. My family is not JW I didn't grow up as one and we always celebrated every holiday. I had no idea the background of such traditions at that time and now that I do I choose not to be a part of it. Not because of WT views or anything else but rather a choice I have made that sits well with my conscience. Gift giving is pagan. It may seem trivial but it does have pagan history which used to be a offering and sacrifice to pagan gods. I do not judge anyone or say not to celebrate as it is up to everyone to decide for themselves. There are far worse things we vould be doing then celebrating ones birth but foe myself I try my best to abstain from anything I don't think Jehovah would be pleased with or Jesus would have partaken of when here on earth.
 
Did you know that the Egyptians were the first ones to celebrate birthday? For them it meant that when pharaohs were crowned gods, they were “birthed.” So the first birthday celebration wasn’t marking the birth of a human, but rather the birth of a god. Pagans also celebrated it in connection with spirits.
 
MickHewitt said:
Total agreement with scripture: Romans 14:5 "One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind". Ofcourse Watchtower does not promote this scripture it's too free thinking!
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Very interesting passage of scripture Mick.
I never noticed what you quoted before.
It’s a notable point in 14:1 ‘not to pass judgement on differing opinions’.
 
alan ford said:
Did you know that the Egyptians were the first ones to celebrate birthday? For them it meant that when pharaohs were crowned gods, they were “birthed.” So the first birthday celebration wasn’t marking the birth of a human, but rather the birth of a god. Pagans also celebrated it in connection with spirits.
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Do you have empirical evidence that birthdays were not observed by anyone in the multi millenia of pre Egyptian history? Again Isaac's great grandson Job was blameless and upright before YHWH and he had no issue with it.
 
The God Pill said:
Do you have empirical evidence that birthdays were not observed by anyone in the multi millenia of pre Egyptian history? Again Isaac's great grandson Job was blameless and upright before YHWH and he had no issue with it.
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That's assuming that they kept a precise calendar like we have today, which is not the case. So how could they celebrate exact day every year?
I didn't know that Job was Isaac's great grandson. Do you have more info on that? As for Job's sons I don't think it was their birthday celebration but rather each of them had a banquet on their own day as opposed to celebration together. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just how it reads to me.
 
alan ford said:
That's assuming that they kept a precise calendar like we have today, which is not the case. So how could they celebrate exact day every year?
I didn't know that Job was Isaac great grandson. Do you more info on that? As for Job's sons I don't think it was their birthday celebration but rather each of them had a banquet on their own day as opposed to celebration together. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just how it reads to me.
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Enochic calender my man + leap weeks and not only would they keep track but the birthday would be the same day of the week every year
 
The God Pill said:
Enochic calender my man + leap weeks and not only would they keep track but the birthday would be the same day of the week every year
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So just because something exists, which wasn't even accurate, would that means that Egyptians or anyone else kept it? I'm not that familiar with it but my question would be whether the book of Enoch was even written in the time of Job?
 
alan ford said:
So just because something exists, which wasn't even accurate, would that means that Egyptians or anyone else kept it? I'm not that familiar with it but my question would be whether the book of Enoch was even written in the time of Job?
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There was a solar calender before the dysfunctional lunar one in Judaism also the order of months in the calender in the year shifted possibly a move from focusing on sukkot to passover I am not asserting either way that the text or the calender associated with the first prophet are legit the sons of Zadok did take the calender seriously. What I take issue with is this idea Abraham and his descendants and ancestors for that matter were too retarded to keep track of the year
 
The God Pill said:
There was a solar calender before the dysfunctional lunar one in Judaism also the order of months in the calender in the year shifted possibly a move from focusing on sukkot to passover I am not asserting either way that the text or the calender associated with the first prophet are legit the sons of Zadok did take the calender seriously. What I take issue with is this idea Abraham and his descendants and ancestors for that matter were too retarded to keep track of the year
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Sons of Zadok lived at least 1000 years after Abraham. I understand that it was required for Jews to have a means to calculate time because of seasons and all the festivals they were required to keep by law. But Abraham predates all that and I see no connection. I'm not even saying "they were too retarded" to keep track of time, so not really sure what you're trying to argue here.
 
Even if I ignore that Abraham's family background whether one goes by jubilees or the so called jasher would have resulted in him being well educated in that regard Josephus claimed Abraham was adept at astronomy in his antiquities of the jews.
 
Jehovahsloyalchild said:
I appreciate your post and at the end of the day it is up to each individual whether they choose to celebrate or not. We all have free will and choices. My family is not JW I didn't grow up as one and we always celebrated every holiday. I had no idea the background of such traditions at that time and now that I do I choose not to be a part of it. Not because of WT views or anything else but rather a choice I have made that sits well with my conscience. Gift giving is pagan. It may seem trivial but it does have pagan history which used to be a offering and sacrifice to pagan gods. I do not judge anyone or say not to celebrate as it is up to everyone to decide for themselves. There are far worse things we vould be doing then celebrating ones birth but foe myself I try my best to abstain from anything I don't think Jehovah would be pleased with or Jesus would have partaken of when here on earth.
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The God Pill said:
Even if I ignore that Abraham's family background whether one goes by jubilees or the so called jasher would have resulted in him being well educated in that regard Josephus claimed Abraham was adept at astronomy in his antiquities of the jews.
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I said I doubted that they kept a precise calendar like we do today. You brought some interesting points, which may or may not mean that regular Joes kept time like we do. I agree it was necessary for religious observations. Sumerians were master astronomers, Abraham probably had their education. But none of this proves that birthdays are biblical concept.
 
Eira said:
Romans 14 make’s for a good read I found verse 13 interesting too.
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Judgement belongs to Jehovah as does everything and everyone both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Romans 14:7
For if we live, we live to Jehovah,* and if we die, we die to Jehovah.* So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah.

Ezekial 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.
 
I view celebrations as part of this system. All traditions and celebrations have pagan abd satanic roots. To me it just seems a way that Satan gets people to dishonor Jehovah by continuing on with these traditions that have a history of worship of false gods and spiritism. I cannot justify in my mind that God would be pleased or appreciate his worshippers to be a part of something that has satanic roots. When you research the history of every single holiday or celebration it's truly disturbing what they represent. Especially Christmas which so many still celebrate as Jesus birth meanwhile it was a time of ancient child sacrifice. I find it extremely distasteful and a disgrace to Jesus sacrifice to associate his birth on a day of child sacrifice abd worship of false gods. To celebrate it knowing what it signifies does not align well with my spiritual conscience.

1 Corinthian 10
Look at Israel in the fleshly sense: Are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers with the altar? 19 What, then, am I saying? That what is sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No; but I say that what the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. 21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah* and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah”* and the table of demons. 22 Or ‘are we inciting Jehovah* to jealousy’? We are not stronger than he is, are we?
 
I was a little surprised at the aggressive tone of the interactions at the start of this post - right or wrong, shouldn’t this Forum display a kinder way of communicating? It always has in the past. Just saying . . .
 
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