Birthdays. Biblical proof they should be celebrated.

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Jehovahsloyalchild

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@Soul Sage ... I'll read the rest of this thread later, but I think it's obvious I lost my temper. I was talking with my wife earlier yesterday about the way I was raised and she commented that I was abused. Now that is a different matter and up for debate, but my parents by no means "spared the rod." I was thinking about that and my kids, and for whatever reason your comment set me off. I sincerely apologize. It was uncalled for, and I make no excuses. I think it's obvious I acted out emotionally.

@Watchman you're right I was out on line and I apologize to you too. Next time I get angry like that, I'll just shut down my PC and come back later.

A lot has happened these last three years and I think we all have a lot to be angry about, but I know better than to take it out on people here. That is I should know better! Again I am sorry!
We all fall short and are overcome by anger and direct it at others who are not the root of our pain. You humbled yourself and apologized which shows remorse. I as everyone else all have bad days its part of being human. You are a good person I can tell just by your comments and the short time I have been on here. Sending prayers and hope you are feeling better 🙏
 

Watchman

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This reminds me of a sister in our congregation who had been in the truth her whole life and decided to hang wind chimes on her tree in the front of her house, another sister who had stopped by to visit told her the wind chimes had a pagan origin and were used to scare demons away, the elderly sister replied, (who was in her 90s) "Well that's not what I'm using them for! they are pretty and I like the sound of them!" Lol end of story.
Ha ha. I use wind chimes to scare the demons away. Works like a charm too, except when the wind stops blowing. :rolleyes:
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Do you celebrate wedding anniversary?
@Jehovahsloyalchild

And if you’re married and no doubt wear a wedding ring. Do you know where the origins of the wedding ring came from? You might be interested to know that it originated in the pagan world.

Here’s a short article about this very topic. Read it and then come to your own conclusions.


 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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@Jehovahsloyalchild

And if you’re married and no doubt wear a wedding ring. Do you know where the origins of the wedding ring came from? You might be interested to know that it originated in the pagan world.

Here’s a short article about this very topic. Read it and then come to your own conclusions.


Everything has pagan origins. We live in Satan's system after all. I did the whole wedding ring exchange and vows and all that but it was prior to my knowledge of paganism and the origins of all these types of celebrations. I wasn't born a witness so I have celebrated every holiday for the first 20 plus years of my life. As someone who did celebrate I can say In my personal experience now that I don't I am not missing out on anything it has actually brought me peace. All holidays regardless are commercialized and it just cripples people financially and they become slaves to the entire tradition and feel obligated to give gifts, to celebrate as it is expected. Paganism aside I think that it is liberating not to he under that type of potential financial stress. I acknowledge my children's day of birth I mean I don't know how anyone wouldn't at the very least acknowledge that very special day however the tradition of cake gifts candles etc is not necessary in order to make my children feel loved. We go out to a place of their choosing or depending on finances we go to our family favorite destination for the night play games, arcade, museums, waterpark, really its up to them 🙂

I will add though I cannot fully empathize with those who were born JW. I can somewhat understand why many are resentful. They were told not to this not to that, don't go to college, don't have a beard, don't celebrate holidays, put in your hours etc etc...it is high control boardering abusive if not full out abuse...but now that most realize the truth about WT and many are coming around and blinders are coming off many are realizing that all along what we really needed was to lean on Jehovah, trust Him,put our full faith in Him and His dons ransom sacrifice. Pray on all matters and don't look to any man or organization to dictate life or what their perception is of acceptable worship. Jehovah wants us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth to give him our hearts and exclusive devotion. To attain to repentance and do our utmost to establish a firm faith that is pleasing and acceptable to His holy standards not man's. I recall when I first started studying I was told the that only witnesses will make it in Armegeddon all others on the outside are going to die. That was drilled into my memory within the first year of my studies. I could not understand why that would be the case when God is love. It painted a very unloving cruel image of God that made me grow to have a unhealthy fear of him. I feel so free now and the connection I have to Jehovah and his son Jesus is beyond words. I feel soooo much peace and so much hope. My faith had soared to a all time high. I feel Jehovahs Holy Spirit so active within me. This is what happens when you stop following man and worship and trust Jehovah fully giving your heart and life to Him and follow Jesus example the best you can. The results are so profound and the peace is abundant ❤
 
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Ms_ladyblue

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Everything has pagan origins. We live in Satan's system after all. I did the whole wedding ring exchange and vows and all that but it was prior to my knowledge of paganism and the origins of all these types of celebrations. I wasn't born a witness so I have celebrated every holiday for the first 20 plus years of my life. As someone who did celebrate I can say In my personal experience now that I don't I am not missing out on anything it has actually brought me peace. All holidays regardless are commercialized and it just cripples people financially and they become slaves to the entire tradition and feel obligated to give gifts, to celebrate as it is expected. Paganism aside I think that it is liberating not to he under that type of potential financial stress. I acknowledge my children's day of birth I mean I don't know how anyone wouldn't at the very least acknowledge that very special day however the tradition of cake gifts candles etc is not necessary in order to make my children feel loved. We go out to a place of their choosing or depending on finances we go to our family favorite destination for the night play games, arcade, museums, waterpark, really its up to them 🙂
Years ago we, as a family would celebrate our anniversary by exchanging gifts, not only between me and my husband but the kids too…albeit nothing elaborate or fancy. Then, of course my husband and I usually did something special together for our anniversary too. 😊
 

Revvzone

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I had forgotten about this video

I understand where your coming from with the birthday thing, where demons and ungodly men have corrupted everything.. But, it was not demons or Satan who established birth or birthdays, frankly, it was Jehovah God. When Adam was created, he celebrated his milestones of creation, the birth of humanity, actually saying so himself, at which he declared, everything was good, even admiring his own handy work. Jehovah then settled Adam into his home, loaded with gifts..God even says, with great labor pains, he brought forth life, not to mention the Angels celebrating the birth of Jesus christ, more importantly, to be done so, at the very command of Jehovah God himself! Sure Satan turned birthdays into drunkenness and revelry, even spiritistic drivel.... However, the point is, the record of birthdays is necessary, for the line of humanity.. There are several references from ancient times, that do show birthdays where celebrated, not just some hacked fear mongering WT crap about some impotent ruler who had John the Baptist beheaded to scare everyone into fearing the celebration of birthdays.... it's easily found doing a web search.. Look, the thing is, I acknowledge my children's day of birth, but, I do not practice the world's patterns of the celebration, nor am I promoting it... I'm simply saying, it was not Satan or the demons who created it.. Respectfully.
Post script.
Speaking of birthdays..I mentioned Christ's birth being celebrated by angels, not to mention, the birth of his baptism, being reborn, and the gift of that birth was, holy spirit.. Then when he died, again he was reborn, as a powerful spirit creature, and at that birth, he was given a crown and a kingship.. The next most important birthday, will be the birth of the kingdom coming to power, and that, will be the ultimate birthday celebration...
 
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David Peter

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This reminds me of a sister in our congregation who had been in the truth her whole life and decided to hang wind chimes on her tree in the front of her house, another sister who had stopped by to visit told her the wind chimes had a pagan origin and were used to scare demons away, the elderly sister replied, (who was in her 90s) "Well that's not what I'm using them for! they are pretty and I like the sound of them!" Lol end of story.
goldie : It really gets into the ridiculous and absurd when you have so many Pharisee like power hungry Legalists and control freaks ruining the faith by micromanaging every little thing- just like the Pharisee's did , it's all these crazy & unbiblical -"going beyond what is written "rules that stumble so many people . Good grief !- wedding rings are pagan , the day's of the week are pagan, the month's of the year, even the names of the planets in our solar system are of pagan god's . you could go on & on .

You know what else is pagan -- Shaving the beard off your face is a really pagan practice . But as a Witness- a man can't even wear a short neat beard without being persecuted and taken off the ministry school ( I know this , it happened to me ) . Even though the Bible was written by 40 bearded men , Christianity was started by a bearded man ( Jesus ). Also the Watchtower Society began by a bearded man ( Charles Taze Russell ).

And even to this day they are still shaming men with beards, I watched the convention this past summer( 2022 ) and they had two men in two different video drama skit's- shave off their beards before becoming Witnesses, they even showed one guy over his sink- with shaving cream all over his face, shaving it off . ( " Those who are trying to force you to circumcise your face only want themselves to look good to others .....they only want you to circumcise your face so they can boast about it and claim you as their disciples " ( Galatians 6 :12 ,13 ) NLT & edited by DP )

Some years back a couple of Pharisee's got after my Mother at the Kingdom Hall because she had a license plate with a picture of the state bird on it , ( some license plates had the state bird & some did not ) They told her she should get the one without the bird on it. I wish they had asked me , I would have given them the bird alright .
Whats really ironic about all this -
( me being taken off the Ministry school for having a short neat beard, and my Mother's license plate incident ) was at that very same time we were all studying at the Hall -the Greatest Man book about Jesus life and Ministry, That plainly Showed how Jesus got after the Pharisee's for doing the very same thing,- going beyond what was written in God's law's and adding their own rules to control people with their love of power. Making their Religion a big burden . Let's face it , the leadership of the Watchtower will never get it , They don't like to be called a Cult , but yet they act like a Cult and may i say they look like a Cult. It's not Unity its Uniformity, It's not a restoration of primitive Christianity, it's a restoration of primitive Pharisaism.
" So Christ has truly set us free . Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the laws."( of the Watchtower .")
( Galatatins 5: 1 ) NLT edited by DP )
Or as the Message Bible say's " Christ has set us free to live a free life . So take your stand ! Never let anyone put a harness of slavery on you."
( Gal. 5:1 )
It seems to me the Apostle Paul was dealing with the same power hungry Legalists .
 

goldie

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goldie : It really gets into the ridiculous and absurd when you have so many Pharisee like power hungry Legalists and control freaks ruining the faith by micromanaging every little thing- just like the Pharisee's did , it's all these crazy & unbiblical -"going beyond what is written "rules that stumble so many people . Good grief !- wedding rings are pagan , the day's of the week are pagan, the month's of the year, even the names of the planets in our solar system are of pagan god's . you could go on & on .

You know what else is pagan -- Shaving the beard off your face is a really pagan practice . But as a Witness- a man can't even wear a short neat beard without being persecuted and taken off the ministry school ( I know this , it happened to me ) . Even though the Bible was written by 40 bearded men , Christianity was started by a bearded man ( Jesus ). Also the Watchtower Society began by a bearded man ( Charles Taze Russell ).

And even to this day they are still shaming men with beards, I watched the convention this past summer( 2022 ) and they had two men in two different video drama skit's- shave off their beards before becoming Witnesses, they even showed one guy over his sink- with shaving cream all over his face, shaving it off . ( " Those who are trying to force you to circumcise your face only want themselves to look good to others .....they only want you to circumcise your face so they can boast about it and claim you as their disciples " ( Galatians 6 :12 ,13 ) NLT & edited by DP )

Some years back a couple of Pharisee's got after my Mother at the Kingdom Hall because she had a license plate with a picture of the state bird on it , ( some license plates had the state bird & some did not ) They told her she should get the one without the bird on it. I wish they had asked me , I would have given them the bird alright .
Whats really ironic about all this -
( me being taken off the Ministry school for having a short neat beard, and my Mother's license plate incident ) was at that very same time we were all studying at the Hall -the Greatest Man book about Jesus life and Ministry, That plainly Showed how Jesus got after the Pharisee's for doing the very same thing,- going beyond what was written in God's law's and adding their own rules to control people with their love of power. Making their Religion a big burden . Let's face it , the leadership of the Watchtower will never get it , They don't like to be called a Cult , but yet they act like a Cult and may i say they look like a Cult. It's not Unity its Uniformity, It's not a restoration of primitive Christianity, it's a restoration of primitive Pharisaism.
" So Christ has truly set us free . Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the laws."( of the Watchtower .")
( Galatatins 5: 1 ) NLT edited by DP )
Or as the Message Bible say's " Christ has set us free to live a free life . So take your stand ! Never let anyone put a harness of slavery on you."
( Gal. 5:1 )
It seems to me the Apostle Paul was dealing with the same power hungry Legalists .
I agree.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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goldie : It really gets into the ridiculous and absurd when you have so many Pharisee like power hungry Legalists and control freaks ruining the faith by micromanaging every little thing- just like the Pharisee's did , it's all these crazy & unbiblical -"going beyond what is written "rules that stumble so many people . Good grief !- wedding rings are pagan , the day's of the week are pagan, the month's of the year, even the names of the planets in our solar system are of pagan god's . you could go on & on .

You know what else is pagan -- Shaving the beard off your face is a really pagan practice . But as a Witness- a man can't even wear a short neat beard without being persecuted and taken off the ministry school ( I know this , it happened to me ) . Even though the Bible was written by 40 bearded men , Christianity was started by a bearded man ( Jesus ). Also the Watchtower Society began by a bearded man ( Charles Taze Russell ).

And even to this day they are still shaming men with beards, I watched the convention this past summer( 2022 ) and they had two men in two different video drama skit's- shave off their beards before becoming Witnesses, they even showed one guy over his sink- with shaving cream all over his face, shaving it off . ( " Those who are trying to force you to circumcise your face only want themselves to look good to others .....they only want you to circumcise your face so they can boast about it and claim you as their disciples " ( Galatians 6 :12 ,13 ) NLT & edited by DP )

Some years back a couple of Pharisee's got after my Mother at the Kingdom Hall because she had a license plate with a picture of the state bird on it , ( some license plates had the state bird & some did not ) They told her she should get the one without the bird on it. I wish they had asked me , I would have given them the bird alright .
Whats really ironic about all this -
( me being taken off the Ministry school for having a short neat beard, and my Mother's license plate incident ) was at that very same time we were all studying at the Hall -the Greatest Man book about Jesus life and Ministry, That plainly Showed how Jesus got after the Pharisee's for doing the very same thing,- going beyond what was written in God's law's and adding their own rules to control people with their love of power. Making their Religion a big burden . Let's face it , the leadership of the Watchtower will never get it , They don't like to be called a Cult , but yet they act like a Cult and may i say they look like a Cult. It's not Unity its Uniformity, It's not a restoration of primitive Christianity, it's a restoration of primitive Pharisaism.
" So Christ has truly set us free . Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the laws."( of the Watchtower .")
( Galatatins 5: 1 ) NLT edited by DP )
Or as the Message Bible say's " Christ has set us free to live a free life . So take your stand ! Never let anyone put a harness of slavery on you."
( Gal. 5:1 )
It seems to me the Apostle Paul was dealing with the same power hungry Legalists .
💯💯👏👏
Modern day pharisees all the way
 

Sundial

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Years ago we, as a family would celebrate our anniversary by exchanging gifts, not only between me and my husband but the kids too…albeit nothing elaborate or fancy. Then, of course my husband and I usually did something special together for our anniversary too. 😊
We did that too !😁
 

Watchman

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You wanna talk about birthdays.. well, I mentioned Christ's birth being celebrated by angels, not to mention the birth of his baptism, being reborn and the gift of that birth was holy spirit.. Then when he died he was reborn again, as a powerful spirit creature, and at that birth, he was given a crown and a kingship.. The next most important birthday will be the birth of the kingdom coming to power.. And that, will be the ultimate birthday celebration...
Jesus' human birth was celebrated by angels. But it was just a one-time deal on the occasion of his birth. They did not celebrate his birthday every year, obviously.
 

Revvzone

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Jesus' human birth was celebrated by angels. But it was just a one-time deal on the occasion of his birth. They did not celebrate his birthday every year, obviously.
One or ten, the facts is, it was rightly and properly celebrated .. again Jesus was either 29 -30 while Jehovah himself was present at his sons rebirth through water..and personally bestowed the gift of holy spirit upon him, in the same breath declaring honor to his son, by uttering the words.."This is my Son, listen to him"
 
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PJ54

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Do they do that in Asia? I'm not familiar with its history beyond that christendom uses it but I'd probably be supportive if it's part of Chinese medicine.
It's mainly done in the Indigenous American communities. The intent is to banish evil away. Since my uncle is Schizoaffective (possibly demon possessed), my Nana burns white sage to keep the demons at bay (especially if the medicine doesn't work).
 

Nomex

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Nomex in my opinion your anger was way deeper than 3 years. It was visceral and reminded me of my own struggles growing up in the "truth"
and clashing with Elders on power trips. That extended through my married life where I attracted attention as a tall poppy which reflected on my family. The anger from myself was explosive.
I thought I was over it all but I feel much relief resigning. The control was pervasive and still evoked response from myself.The trick is to dissociate those memories from the present and don't ever react in hot blood without allowing time-------- like the next day.
You nailed it. There is so much I don't talk about on here, because for example, one of my brothers who was an elder for many years literally told me "he went under cover on Facebook", because they had been having problems with their congregation and FB. I'm not kidding this is the wording he used. He was finally removed and my Mom accidentally told me, that is to say, she said a few things and I was like, "wait a minute, Is (my brother) still an elder. He'd been removed for about a year, and they didn't want me to know....and there's more to this story...the issue is if i say too much my spy brothers could figure out I'm now "an apostate."

Any way yes I have a lot of anger, and since I have said this on the forum I also had two of my older brothers commit suicide. And that's always there in the background lurking. Again it's not excuse for my bad behavior. Just part of the reality of what living in this system does to us, and living in the delusion of thinking you're part of some "spiritual paradise"...
 
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Nomex

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I could tell you be dealing with some hard times. I don't know anything about your family and my post was more of a self reflective post as I was thinking about birthdays from earlier in the week, thinking it's not some big celebratory thing but a milestone achievement and we should reward ourselves with something good. I pray that Jehovah gives you some peace of mind, Nomex.
Thanks for your understanding. I still am embarrassed at the way I acted, and over reacted.
 

Nomex

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We all fall short and are overcome by anger and direct it at others who are not the root of our pain. You humbled yourself and apologized which shows remorse. I as everyone else all have bad days its part of being human. You are a good person I can tell just by your comments and the short time I have been on here. Sending prayers and hope you are feeling better 🙏
Thank you. I embarrassed myself. It took a little time to return here and face the music of what I'd done. I'm glad I did. I was so ashamed. Soul Sage mentioned before I apologized that "i was the one with a demon." It reminded me of the scripture of "remain wrathful but do not sin. Do not give place for the devil." I know I'm butchering that. But that's exactly what happened! I lost my temper and "allowed the devil in" so to speak!

But I am glad I faced the music. I feel better and I would rather be here than not!
 
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