Birthdays. Biblical proof they should be celebrated.

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
Thanks for your understanding. I still am embarrassed at the way I acted, and over reacted.
Nomex, I think most of us here understand your reaction by the thoughts they shared. I mean, I believe that we all have at one time or another over reacted because we were wronged in some way then we regretted how we acted later. It’s called being imperfect. I know I have many times in my life, to some degree.
And considering what Watchtower has done to so many of us it’s no wonder we’re all not in an insane asylum.
I feel so bitter at times when I think of it and if I start to talk about it I get upset, I get loud and I cry!
But I really believe Jehovah sees our pain and is helping all of us to get through this difficult time. We might get banged up and feel like we’re falling apart along the way but in the end Jehovah gives us comfort.
Just think about the fact that we have this forum to come to for spiritual food and support from others who are going through the same trial or trials.
Keep your chin up Nomex…you’re a good person and you’re humble. And Jehovah loves you for that.
Just don’t allow the “real apostates“ to break your spirit.
 
J

Jehovahsloyalchild

Guest
Thank you. I embarrassed myself. It took a little time to return here and face the music of what I'd done. I'm glad I did. I was so ashamed. Soul Sage mentioned before I apologized that "i was the one with a demon." It reminded me of the scripture of "remain wrath but do not sin. Do not give place for the devil." I know I'm butchering that. But that's exactly what happened! I lost my temper and "allowed the devil in" so to speak!

But I am glad I faced the music. I feel better and I would rather be here than not!
We are happy you are here...we have all lost our temper not one if us is perfect at least not yet 🙂...its great to hear you are feeling better ❤🙏
 

Nomex

Well-known member
I was a little surprised at the aggressive tone of the interactions at the start of this post - right or wrong, shouldn’t this Forum display a kinder way of communicating? It always has in the past. Just saying . . .

I finally am getting around to reading the rest of this thread. I have done so reluctantly, because I have a bitter pill to swallow, but I will and am "facing the music." I want to address anyone who called me out. You are completely right. I did something I would not condone had someone else done it. Maybe I needed this, so I won't do this again!
 

Deborah

Well-known member
Years ago we, as a family would celebrate our anniversary by exchanging gifts, not only between me and my husband but the kids too…albeit nothing elaborate or fancy. Then, of course my husband and I usually did something special together for our anniversary too. 😊

I finally am getting around to reading the rest of this thread. I have done so reluctantly, because I have a bitter pill to swallow, but I will and am "facing the music." I want to address anyone who called me out. You are completely right. I did something I would not condone had someone else done it. Maybe I needed this, so I won't do this again!
Hi Nomex,

I just wanted to say it takes humility to step back and look at ourselves, see an area of imperfection, own it and apologize.

I didn't say anything earlier on after reading your comments cuz I am a new poster and have not established a rapport with all here. So I kept my mouth shut.

But I have been reading on this forum for awhile before joining and got a sense of whose who. I never remember seeing these type of comments from you.

My initial reaction was this man is upset with something else. It seemed out of character.
I had a feeling that you would come back and apologize later.

Several years ago I was so angry 😡 at something I slammed the front door so hard it bounced back and made a hole in my living room wall. I did not get it fixed. It is still like that behind the door. A reminder to not let it happen again.

Like yourself there are things some of us won't address on forums for personal reasons.

But I was beginning to feel some kinda way and knew I better find some way to express myself or else my living room walls might be full of holes!!!

I knew I was not able to talk openly to any witnesses around here and I listen to meetings via the phone not on the zoom camera part. I just cannot handle the pseudo conversations from the friends. No one can be real for fear of backlash.

So I had to find a way to redirect the feelings festering up inside me. I was not paying a therapist !!!!. Anyway I am happy you feel better and pray you find ways to address what is making you sad inside.

One last comment regarding suicide. Years ago in my young single days I rented a room from a sister. She was 10 years older than me. she professed to be of the anointed I found out at the memorial shortly after moving in, and she did act different. She had told me her husband, a brother, left her for a younger woman.
She really never got over that. There was also problems for her at kh.

I later moved out later cuz too much drama. Several months later she committed suicide. I never forgot her. Her situation still pops up in my thoughts to this day.

I worked at a mental health center and one day found her file accidentally while pulling another file for one of the mental health workers. I was floored. Some really sad stuff in that file.

Again Nomex glad you are feeling better sorry for all you are coping with. So many facing situations and suffering in silence.

Hugs and prayers for you and yours Nomex you have a good heart.
 
Last edited:

PJ54

Well-known member
I knew I was not able to talk openly to any witnesses around here and I listen to meetings via the phone not on the zoom camera part. I just cannot handle the pseudo conversations from the friends. No one can be real for fear of backlash.
It's depressing how it has come to such a situation where expressing something that is haunting can lead to unnecessary problems. There's a brother & son I talk to who has been having such issues (especially since COVID). They're glad they could speak to me since the Org has changed so much to the point it's like there's no genuine relationships around anymore. It's really as if the "love of the greater number" has cooled off.
 

SollaSollew

Well-known member
I finally am getting around to reading the rest of this thread. I have done so reluctantly, because I have a bitter pill to swallow, but I will and am "facing the music." I want to address anyone who called me out. You are completely right. I did something I would not condone had someone else done it. Maybe I needed this, so I won't do this again!
Hope Soul Sage got an apology?
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
I understand where your coming from with the birthday thing, where demons and ungodly men have corrupted everything.. But, it was not demons or Satan who established birth or birthdays, frankly, it was Jehovah God. When Adam was created, he celebrated his milestones of creation, the birth of humanity, actually saying so himself, at which he declared, everything was good, even admiring his own handy work. Jehovah then settled Adam into his home, loaded with gifts..God even says, with great labor pains, he brought forth life, not to mention the Angels celebrating the birth of Jesus christ, more importantly, to be done so, at the very command of Jehovah God himself! Sure Satan turned birthdays into drunkenness and revelry, even spiritistic drivel.... However, the point is, the record of birthdays is necessary, for the line of humanity.. There are several references from ancient times, that do show birthdays where celebrated, not just some hacked fear mongering WT crap about some impotent ruler who had John the Baptist beheaded to scare everyone into fearing the celebration of birthdays.... it's easily found doing a web search.. Look, the thing is, I acknowledge my children's day of birth, but, I do not practice the world's patterns of the celebration, nor am I promoting it... I'm simply saying, it was not Satan or the demons who created it.. Respectfully.
Post script.
Speaking of birthdays..I mentioned Christ's birth being celebrated by angels, not to mention, the birth of his baptism, being reborn, and the gift of that birth was, holy spirit.. Then when he died, again he was reborn, as a powerful spirit creature, and at that birth, he was given a crown and a kingship.. The next most important birthday, will be the birth of the kingdom coming to power, and that, will be the ultimate birthday celebration...
It is strange how two differing perspectives on the same subject can justify opposite outcomes correctly. It proves rather conclusively why heart motivation in a spiritual topic is often more important than the subject discussed. The only way out of this matter to to take a leaf out of the American Indian’s tradition of giving gifts but retaining ownership - known in this day as being an Indian giver” when a gift is asked to be returned. It would save a lot of money and I would be certain that it would be “watchtower approved” given that they would gladly take a child’s pocket money and call it a Christian act.
 

Seadog

Well-known member
would save a lot of money and I would be certain that it would be “watchtower approved” given that they would gladly take a child’s pocket money and call it a Christian act.
 

Seadog

Well-known member
Not sure I agree. Look at the widow’s mite. She wasn’t judging the priesthood and neither did Jesus at this occasion. She was worshipping Jehovah. Maybe reflection for us??
 

Prodigal One

Active member
I finally am getting around to reading the rest of this thread. I have done so reluctantly, because I have a bitter pill to swallow, but I will and am "facing the music." I want to address anyone who called me out. You are completely right. I did something I would not condone had someone else done it. Maybe I needed this, so I won't do this again!
All’s well that ends well. We’ve all had moments where we wish the clock could turn back. It’s a long journey - that’s why Jehovah has given us a thousand years.
 

goldie

Well-known member
Thank you. I embarrassed myself. It took a little time to return here and face the music of what I'd done. I'm glad I did. I was so ashamed. Soul Sage mentioned before I apologized that "i was the one with a demon." It reminded me of the scripture of "remain wrathful but do not sin. Do not give place for the devil." I know I'm butchering that. But that's exactly what happened! I lost my temper and "allowed the devil in" so to speak!

But I am glad I faced the music. I feel better and I would rather be here than not!
So glad you're back. The forum wouldn't be the same without you. You liven up the threads 🤣. And no you are not a jerk! You're human! And we all love ya.
 
Last edited:

Watchman

Moderator
Staff member
One or ten, the facts is, it was rightly and properly celebrated .. again Jesus was either 29 -30 while Jehovah himself was present at his sons rebirth through water..and personally bestowed the gift of holy spirit upon him, in the same breath declaring honor to his son, by uttering the words.."This is my Son, listen to him"
Again, Jesus' anointing was a one-time deal. Jehovah introduced Christ to John the Baptizer who introduced him to the world. There is no need for God to keep making the same announcement over and over.
 

Revvzone

Well-known member
Again, Jesus' anointing was a one-time deal. Jehovah introduced Christ to John the Baptizer who introduced him to the world. There is no need for God to keep making the same announcement over and over.
True..only, each time Christ was elevated to a superior position, it was announced by the Almighty accompanied with honors..
 

The Black Sheep

Well-known member
What are your thoughts on being present at holiday gatherings with family? I’ve never had to experience that before but I’m just curious how some of you have handled situations like that, as it may be the only time you get to see family.
 

Patricia

Well-known member
If it's just for a family meal, I have never had a problem because the family knows what I believe. They know that if they don't want to hear a whole loooong spiel about why we shouldn't celebrate this or that then, they should just not bring it up. Treat it like any other day or I'll expose your pagan holiday. 😁
Now if they were going to do really holiday stuff like decorating the tree or an Easter egg hunt I would try to arrange to visit at a different time.
My family is pretty laid back really. I think they don't bother inviting me to stuff that I wouldn't do cause I'd just spoil their fun.
Hehehehe

First, talk to Jehovah about it.

Then, have a calm, frank talk beforehand with the host/hostess about your concerns. Then see how it goes. If everything goes well and your conscience isn't bothered, good, have a nice family visit. If, on the other hand, things go on that you aren't comfortable with, leave early or don't repeat it next year.

You never know, you might be able to give a witness.😉 Refresh your memory about the pagan origins of the holiday/customs and a scripture or 2 that convinced you not to celebrate it before you talk to anyone. Hopefully, it won't be a big deal for your family. 🙏
 
Top