Can anyone help me figure this out? Thank You!

MuleJule

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according to the most recent the elders’ letter -3/20/22- vaccination status does matter. That’s what Watchtower often does- it says one thing in public to JWs and then sends off these confidential letters to elders that give the “if, ands and buts”. All unvaccinated attending the in person meetings must wear a mask. So it will be easy to distinguish the vaxxed from the unvaxxed just by who is wearing a mask and who isn’t.

This goes above and beyond what is “mandated” (btw, the term “mandate” is a 33° Freemason term)
I haven't read the letter yet, but I saw you posted it in another thread. I'll check it out. BUT they are saying masks are strongly recommended, and I am 100% certain that 100% of attendees in my area will be wearing them, so I don't think there will be a distinction. People will be afraid to NOT wear one because they would certainly be a spectacle.
 

MuleJule

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Vaccination status doesn't matter for in-person meetings in the USA, but I thought it may for New Zealand? I could be totally mistaken
Right. I think it depends on local government mandates, so it may be required in NZ and other places.
 

SusanB

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I haven't read the letter yet, but I saw you posted it in another thread. I'll check it out. BUT they are saying masks are strongly recommended, and I am 100% certain that 100% of attendees in my area will be wearing them, so I don't think there will be a distinction. People will be afraid to NOT wear one because they would certainly be a spectacle.
Exactly. Who wants to be labeled as rebellious. And, it really wouldn’t be something to honor our God to flaunt it in their face. As Jesus said, blind guides are what they are. Let them be.
 

יהוה_saves

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I haven't read the letter yet, but I saw you posted it in another thread. I'll check it out. BUT they are saying masks are strongly recommended, and I am 100% certain that 100% of attendees in my area will be wearing them, so I don't think there will be a distinction. People will be afraid to NOT wear one because they would certainly be a spectacle.
i was thinking of that too. that perhaps all will be wearing them regardless. But the letter did say that the unvaxxed will be required to wear them. it is a distinction even if a small one.
 

MuleJule

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i was thinking of that too. that perhaps all will be wearing them regardless. But the letter did say that the unvaxxed will be required to wear them. it is a distinction even if a small one.
Very true, it is a distinction. I wonder if the elders will be inquiring who is and isn't vaccinated because as far as I know, in my area they haven't asked us.
 

MuleJule

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interesting- in the announcements here they just said masks encouraged for all... didn't make any distinctions
Our announcements said the same thing, but @Asadour shared a letter to the elders where they went into greater detail about what is actually expected.

Edited to add a portion of the most recent posted announcement on j w . o r g

ANNOUNCEMENT | Special Talk and Memorial Arrangements​

Congregations worldwide will resume holding the midweek and weekend meetings in person beginning April 1, except where local governmental restrictions do not permit them to do so. Mask-wearing is strongly recommended for all in-person meetings, even if it is not required by the authorities.
 
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Nomex

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"Well I guess you're an apostate now.
One of the first things I realized when I first found Robert, and oddly enough I guess I always knew this, but there is something to the mental process when you say something "out loud" so to speak in your mind, I thought "all you have to do to be an apostate is disagree with the GB."

That conscience realization is the scales falling off as you put it. Like when I said to the sister about the vaccines, "are we going to be taking medical advice now form the GB." I suppose if she was closer to me she might have said what your mother said to you. The funny thing is, what I said is basically the whole ball of wax. It is unshakable reasoning. And no doubt why she reacted with almost a violent emotional reaction. I brought her to tears. And this was before it was obvious the GB were going to essentially mandate the vaccines.

I remember the first time I heard us (Jehovah's Witnesses) referred to as a cult, and I really looked into what that meant, and I would always say to myself, "we follow Jesus, we are not a cult, becasue we do not follow a man (or in this 8 men). A very good friend of mine who is a JW, and who really knows what's going on in the world, so I knew I could tell him about this site and Robert, in one of our first conversations he asked me, "our we a cult." I said yes, but I have really been trying to understand all this. The answer is really yes and no. Those of us that still believe the basic truths and can refrain from "throwing out the baby with the bath water" we are not in a cult. So my answer is Robert's answer, the Jews were still God's people even when they sinned, until they killed Jesus that is.

That's the most important part to me, we are a cult if we obey men. The scripture "obediance is better than sacrifice" applies to obeying God. It's literally defined in that short statement. "Sacrifice" was given to Jehovah! It's like when you are buying a car and the salesman says "trust me". But he says that after every statement he makes about the car. The more he says "trust me" the less you should trust him! The more the GB says "trust us, we're God's channel", "obey us" the more I say, "I don't think I should trust you."
 

SusanB

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One of the first things I realized when I first found Robert, and oddly enough I guess I always knew this, but there is something to the mental process when you say something "out loud" so to speak in your mind, I thought "all you have to do to be an apostate is disagree with the GB."

That conscience realization is the scales falling off as you put it. Like when I said to the sister about the vaccines, "are we going to be taking medical advice now form the GB." I suppose if she was closer to me she might have said what your mother said to you. The funny thing is, what I said is basically the whole ball of wax. It is unshakable reasoning. And no doubt why she reacted with almost a violent emotional reaction. I brought her to tears. And this was before it was obvious the GB were going to essentially mandate the vaccines.

I remember the first time I heard us (Jehovah's Witnesses) referred to as a cult, and I really looked into what that meant, and I would always say to myself, "we follow Jesus, we are not a cult, becasue we do not follow a man (or in this 8 men). A very good friend of mine who is a JW, and who really knows what's going on in the world, so I knew I could tell him about this site and Robert, in one of our first conversations he asked me, "our we a cult." I said yes, but I have really been trying to understand all this. The answer is really yes and no. Those of us that still believe the basic truths and can refrain from "throwing out the baby with the bath water" we are not in a cult. So my answer is Robert's answer, the Jews were still God's people even when they sinned, until they killed Jesus that is.

That's the most important part to me, we are a cult if we obey men. The scripture "obediance is better than sacrifice" applies to obeying God. It's literally defined in that short statement. "Sacrifice" was given to Jehovah! It's like when you are buying a car and the salesman says "trust me". But he says that after every statement he makes about the car. The more he says "trust me" the less you should trust him! The more the GB says "trust us, we're God's channel", "obey us" the more I say, "I don't think I should trust you."
Perfectly stated. I believe someone at the society is using “Ideological Subversion” to turn the worship from Jehovah to the GB. I have always, since being a reasoning adult, recognized that when someone has to verbally say, “You can trust me!” then they are probably a crook and you should not trust them. Trustworthy people don’t need to announce it.
 

Dorothea

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One of the first things I realized when I first found Robert, and oddly enough I guess I always knew this, but there is something to the mental process when you say something "out loud" so to speak in your mind, I thought "all you have to do to be an apostate is disagree with the GB."

That conscience realization is the scales falling off as you put it. Like when I said to the sister about the vaccines, "are we going to be taking medical advice now form the GB." I suppose if she was closer to me she might have said what your mother said to you. The funny thing is, what I said is basically the whole ball of wax. It is unshakable reasoning. And no doubt why she reacted with almost a violent emotional reaction. I brought her to tears. And this was before it was obvious the GB were going to essentially mandate the vaccines.

I remember the first time I heard us (Jehovah's Witnesses) referred to as a cult, and I really looked into what that meant, and I would always say to myself, "we follow Jesus, we are not a cult, becasue we do not follow a man (or in this 8 men). A very good friend of mine who is a JW, and who really knows what's going on in the world, so I knew I could tell him about this site and Robert, in one of our first conversations he asked me, "our we a cult." I said yes, but I have really been trying to understand all this. The answer is really yes and no. Those of us that still believe the basic truths and can refrain from "throwing out the baby with the bath water" we are not in a cult. So my answer is Robert's answer, the Jews were still God's people even when they sinned, until they killed Jesus that is.

That's the most important part to me, we are a cult if we obey men. The scripture "obediance is better than sacrifice" applies to obeying God. It's literally defined in that short statement. "Sacrifice" was given to Jehovah! It's like when you are buying a car and the salesman says "trust me". But he says that after every statement he makes about the car. The more he says "trust me" the less you should trust him! The more the GB says "trust us, we're God's channel", "obey us" the more I say, "I don't think I should trust you."
You and I have had many of the same thoughts going on.

"all you have to do to be an apostate is disagree with the GB." Big aha moment for me. Especially after I realized how much Robert loves Jehovah and how much of himself he has devoted to spreading truth, even to his own detriment.

"The more the GB says "trust us, we're God's channel", "obey us" the more I say, "I don't think I should trust you."

Me too! Once you understand some things about human psychology, it's so easy to see the manipulation.
 

SusanB

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You and I have had many of the same thoughts going on.

"all you have to do to be an apostate is disagree with the GB." Big aha moment for me. Especially after I realized how much Robert loves Jehovah and how much of himself he has devoted to spreading truth, even to his own detriment.



Me too! Once you understand some things about human psychology, it's so easy to see the manipulation.
I’ve just learned about “Ideological Subversion”. I think someone at the WTO is using that to subvert worship of Jehovah to worship of the GB.
 

kirmmy

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People like that are called Organic Portals in some groups. It means soulless persons that are like robots. Plus, they are a portal from demons to come through & attack you for whatever reason it may be. It sounds mean but I have noticed this with the world at large & it seems most people are dead inside & it shows in their eyes.
You bring up an interesting point...as always.

Have you ever been struck by how many people in the "New Testament" were possessed by demons? It seems every second person Christ dealt with had one or more demons. Seriously, read Matt and you'll see what I mean. It didn't end there either. Acts talks about demonized people a lot too. Christ obviously didn't clean up the problem completely in his time on earth.

So my question is; Where are they today? Was it just because Israel was God's covenant people and more likely to be targeted by the demons that there were so many instances during that time? Probably, but still, demons are going to demon so where are they today? I have a theory about it but it's not "scientific" of course, it's strictly based on observation of the world. Could it be that the prevalence and rise of mental illness is a manifestation of this? How about the huge number of "sociopaths" and "psychopaths" that exist, especially in high positions? Could these not be demon possessed beings that do the will of their leader? It's certainly a way for Satan to effect his will without directly manifesting himself, something that Jehovah no longer allows. Look at Nancy Pelosi's bizzarre behavior during Biden's State of the Union address. Of course in her case it may have just been adderall and vodka. :) But I'm sure you can think of many examples of really bizzarre behavior on the part of many "world leaders".

Just spit-balling here a bit...

You really need a good set of Hoffman lenses to keep up with this stuff. PJ, you got that reference, I'll bet. :)
 

PJ54

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You bring up an interesting point...as always.

Have you ever been struck by how many people in the "New Testament" were possessed by demons? It seems every second person Christ dealt with had one or more demons. Seriously, read Matt and you'll see what I mean. It didn't end there either. Acts talks about demonized people a lot too. Christ obviously didn't clean up the problem completely in his time on earth.

So my question is; Where are they today? Was it just because Israel was God's covenant people and more likely to be targeted by the demons that there were so many instances during that time? Probably, but still, demons are going to demon so where are they today? I have a theory about it but it's not "scientific" of course, it's strictly based on observation of the world. Could it be that the prevalence and rise of mental illness is a manifestation of this? How about the huge number of "sociopaths" and "psychopaths" that exist, especially in high positions? Could these not be demon possessed beings that do the will of their leader? It's certainly a way for Satan to effect his will without directly manifesting himself, something that Jehovah no longer allows. Look at Nancy Pelosi's bizzarre behavior during Biden's State of the Union address. Of course in her case it may have just been adderall and vodka. :) But I'm sure you can think of many examples of really bizzarre behavior on the part of many "world leaders".

Just spit-balling here a bit...

You really need a good set of Hoffman lenses to keep up with this stuff. PJ, you got that reference, I'll bet. :)
I personally have thought of our brain/mind as a computer with all of the other parts of the body serving some function. If you have a compromised computer, it's easier to hack into the system. Mental illness might be compromised minds that are easier to hack. It's a guess though.
 

The God Pill

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You bring up an interesting point...as always.

Have you ever been struck by how many people in the "New Testament" were possessed by demons? It seems every second person Christ dealt with had one or more demons. Seriously, read Matt and you'll see what I mean. It didn't end there either. Acts talks about demonized people a lot too. Christ obviously didn't clean up the problem completely in his time on earth.

So my question is; Where are they today? Was it just because Israel was God's covenant people and more likely to be targeted by the demons that there were so many instances during that time? Probably, but still, demons are going to demon so where are they today? I have a theory about it but it's not "scientific" of course, it's strictly based on observation of the world. Could it be that the prevalence and rise of mental illness is a manifestation of this? How about the huge number of "sociopaths" and "psychopaths" that exist, especially in high positions? Could these not be demon possessed beings that do the will of their leader? It's certainly a way for Satan to effect his will without directly manifesting himself, something that Jehovah no longer allows. Look at Nancy Pelosi's bizzarre behavior during Biden's State of the Union address. Of course in her case it may have just been adderall and vodka. :) But I'm sure you can think of many examples of really bizzarre behavior on the part of many "world leaders".

Just spit-balling here a bit...

You really need a good set of Hoffman lenses to keep up with this stuff. PJ, you got that reference, I'll bet. :)
Take all of this with a large grain of salt I have no interest in imposing either common schools of thought in the first century or subjective impressions from my ongoing experiences on anyone; I'm open to the prevailing second temple period view of demoniacs that they are victims of the leftover angel half of nephilim because they always seemed to be from subjective observation/experience of demons (differentiating from fallen angels) numerous and very active but far weaker than an angel slaughtering over 100k Assyrians to put it mildly if the creatures identifying as legion were fallen angels it would seem a terrible waste for thousands to occupy themselves on one victim host that wasn't even a powerful or influential figure and not cause grander or wider troubles. The demons would acutely fear abyssing when Jesus was on earth as there fathers and most of their brothers were already in tartarus. Centuries of the watchers and there spawn practicing polygamy while producing three generations of hybrids would result in a lot of troublemakers and could very well include animal hybrids and sirens as well. They also might be influenced somewhat by the morphogenic field structures of animals and perhaps even plants and fungi that hosts them I'm unfortunately familiar with the spidery kind and the monitoring ones that use birds. losers under the devil sustaining themselves parasitizing off the biophotons of life in the earth's biosphere. Methods generally revolve around getting people's shields down (lower a person's frequency below heart level so the human's field doesn't burn them) so energy can be extracted.

Essentially The devil and the evil angel princes are the king and general/governors while the angel halves of the hybrid bastards are the foot soldiers. I've said before going by jubilees 9/10ths of these evil spirits were abyssed so if released as revelation unfolds the earth's population would be dealing with 10x as many demons plus there dads. Whatever the odds of such a possibility it is a good a reason to cultivate composure when in the midst of evil.

It would also explain how the feelings and doctrines of "reincarnation" emerged if people wittingly or unwittingly hosted or were influenced at one point by something that had lived in other people and lower lifeforms for millenia.

I agree with pj54 on OP's I'm at the point I can often sense people that are organic portals a little before I see them. On compromised minds when you think of all the multiple personalities created by the experiments of governments and perpetrators of SRA it does seem like some psychological disorders facilitate backdoors for unclean spirits. I remember hearing something on bitchute a couple weeks back about the mind as a fractal cube like structure 13x13x13 grid of 2197 programmable units.
 
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kirmmy

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They are victims of the leftover angel half of nephilim
You brought up some good points but on the above; how could that be when all land dwelling animal life was extinguised in the flood except for Noah, et al and the animals on the ark? Both halves would have perished. They were simply the product of a sick genetic experiment where the demons imitated Jehovah's miracle of DNA and mated with human females. Of course, there imitation DNA was amped to give their sons gigantism. You can bet your butt that those hybrids would have not lived long if it wasn't for the flood. Kind of like modern day really big people. Their hearts generally can't handle the strain. God has built in limitations to what DNA is capable of. Physics plays a part too, I'm sure.

if the creatures identifying as legion were fallen angels it would seem a terrible waste for thousands to occupy themselves on one victim host that wasn't even a powerful or influential figure and not cause grander or wider troubles
really good point and I have no idea why they'd bother either. Party at Solomon's? :)
t would also explain how the feelings and doctrines of "reincarnation" emerged if people wittingly or unwittingly hosted or were influenced at one point by something that had lived in other people and lower lifeforms for millenia.
Another really good point and viable explanation to people's experiences regarding "living in another age" (reincarnation).
 

MuleJule

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Essentially The devil and the evil angel princes are the king and general/governors while the angel halves of the hybrid bastards are the foot soldiers.
Fascinating subject, one that I have delved into in the past but I never reached any definite conclusions. Have you surmised this based on the book of Enoch and other apocryphal works? I think there have been clues left about what really happened, including the epic of Gilgamesh (and ancient architecture which is another fascinating subject)

I have entertained but doubted the idea that the deceased nephilim had a spirit that survived their death but I have watched many videos suggesting that is the case. It’s extremely interesting. As is the idea you’ve posed regarding reincarnation. There is so much we don’t know. I’ve also wondered about animal hybrids, simply because there is so much suggestion of it in mythology and archeology. Why wouldn’t the fallen mess with animal and plant DNA? They wanted to hijack creation. Back in the day, 10 or so years ago I binge watched Rob Skiba and Trey Smith, and more recently WoodwardTV on YT. They all have lots of fascinating information on this subject, but most would regard it as fantasy / entertainment.

Also anyone interested in the pre flood era and what it may have been like, the book Seola (the WT republished under the name “Angels and Women” (see Wikipedia entry on Seola). It’s a fascinating read, claiming to be fiction of course, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Very Lord of the Rings-ish.
 

The God Pill

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You brought up some good points but on the above; how could that be when all land dwelling animal life was extinguised in the flood except for Noah, et al and the animals on the ark? Both halves would have perished. They were simply the product of a sick genetic experiment where the demons imitated Jehovah's miracle of DNA and mated with human females. Of course, there imitation DNA was amped to give their sons gigantism. You can bet your butt that those hybrids would have not lived long if it wasn't for the flood. Kind of like modern day really big people. Their hearts generally can't handle the strain. God has built in limitations to what DNA is capable of. Physics plays a part too, I'm sure.


really good point and I have no idea why they'd bother either. Party at Solomon's? :)

Another really good point and viable explanation to people's experiences regarding "living in another age" (reincarnation).

I am not providing these quotations as any kind of appeal to authority but to indicate many in the first century thought all or most of the hybrids physical sides died long before the flood.

1 Enoch 10:9. And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have. 10. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and that each one of them will live five hundred years.'

1 Enoch 14:4. I wrote out your petition, and in my vision it appeared thus, that your petition will not be granted unto you ⌈⌈throughout all the days of eternity, and that judgement has been finally passed upon you: yea (your petition) will not be granted unto you⌉⌉. 5. And from henceforth you shall not ascend into heaven unto all eternity, and ⌈in bonds⌉ of the earth the decree has gone forth to bind you for all the days of the world. 6. And (that) previously you shall have seen the destruction of your beloved sons and ye shall have no pleasure in them, but they shall fall before you by the sword. 7. And your petition on their behalf shall not be granted, nor yet on your own: even though you weep and pray and speak all the words contained in the writing which I have written.

1 Enoch 15:7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.

The 1913 translation of R.H. Charles of the Book of Jubilees 7:21-25[15] reads as follows (note that "Naphil" is an alternative transliteration form of "Nephilim"):

21 For owing to these three things came the flood upon the earth, namely, owing to the fornication wherein the Watchers against the law of their ordinances went a whoring after the daughters of men, and took themselves wives of all which they chose: and they made the beginning of uncleanness.
22 And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another.
23 And every one sold himself to work iniquity and to shed much blood, and the earth was filled with iniquity.
24 And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the earth: and much blood was shed on the earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined vanity and evil continually.
25 And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth He destroyed everything.

@MuleJule it's been my understanding since I was a teen that Adam passed on the life force he received from the breath of life on to his offspring it's received by people from the father by their conception like a torch that for the duration of the fire can light other torches I don't remember the details but a decade ago I remember writing something in support of the blood doctrine and some other of our beliefs partly based on that. The nephilim did not have the same line of spirit/life force as people with human fathers but whatever that of a watcher is. I haven't read Seola though I've heard about that publication the society once promoted it may warrant investigation someday though given it was dictated from a demon via automatic writing I'd trust it about as much as the Quran. You are more than welcome to share anything.
 
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kirmmy

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Why wouldn’t the fallen mess with animal and plant DNA?
Can't speak for God Pill but he has talked about the apocrypha before and, I imagine, that's where he's getting some of this stuff. I'm sure he'll chime in.

But regarding what you said, I always wondered why the flood. Why was it necessary to wipe out every living land animal and man? Why not just selectively destroy the wicked? I read somewhere that the demons were anxious to soil the DNA of all living land animals, especially humans so that they could screw up the genetics of Jesus and spoil God's plan. And they probably had already done that before the flood. I mean beyond the obvious Nephilim. Why was it important to include animals, even if they had been genetically manipulated, in the flood? No idea but I can speculate on some reasons. But they're silly and I won't say them. That's why God wasn't going to take a chance and wiped everything out and started fresh with Noah and his family. That would also explain why he then banished the fallen angels to Tartarus. They could no longer take on any fleshly form to mess with genetics, although obviously they could possess existing fleshly forms.
 

MuleJule

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Why was it necessary to wipe out every living land animal and man? Why not just selectively destroy the wicked? I read somewhere that the demons were anxious to soil the DNA of all living land animals, especially humans so that they could screw up the genetics of Jesus and spoil God's plan. And they probably had already done that before the flood. I mean beyond the obvious Nephilim. Why was it important to include animals, even if they had been genetically manipulated, in the flood? No idea but I can speculate on some reasons. But they're silly and I won't say them. That's why God wasn't going to take a chance and wiped everything out and started fresh with Noah and his family.
Yes there was probably a lot of monstrosities to clean up via flood regardless of what manner or time the human based ones were dispatched
Good points. I need to slowly read and digest the long posts that you guys just added. Thanks for sharing, because I really want to have a better understanding on this. WT publications left me so unsatisfied.

Genesis 6 leaves a lot of room for speculation, and the wording of vs 12 - "And God saw the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth." makes one think that the generations of DNA manipulation had truly ruined all flesh, excluding the humans that Jehovah protected to preserve the genetic line from Adam to Jesus, and obviously Jehovah saw to it that some animals remained untainted.

Another point in Gen 6:4 says: "The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that..." What's your take on that? I've heard some wild speculation on that including Big foot, yeti, etc.

Edit to add: When researching this subject years ago I came across this entry on the "Goat Shaped Demon" spoken of in the scriptures.

[Joshua’s words at Joshua 24:14 show that the Israelites had been affected to some extent by the false worship of Egypt during their sojourn there, while Ezekiel indicates that such pagan practices continued to plague them long afterward. (Ezek. 23:8, 21) For this reason some scholars consider that the divine decree issued in the wilderness to prevent the Israelites from making “sacrifices to the goat-shaped demons” (Lev. 17:1-7) and Rehoboam’s establishing priests “for the high places and for the goat-shaped demons and for the calves that he had made” (2 Chron. 11:15) indicate there was some form of goat worship among the Israelites such as was prominent in Egypt, particularly in Lower Egypt. Herodotus claims that from such Egyptian worship the Greeks derived their belief in Pan and also in the satyrs, woodland gods of a lustful nature, who were eventually depicted as having horns, a goat’s tail and goat’s legs. Some even suggest that such half-animal form of these pagan gods is the source of the practice of picturing Satan with tail, horns and cloven feet, a custom prevalent among professed Christians in the Dark Ages.] from Insight book
 
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