Completely safe and effective

יהוה_saves said:
how can anyone make unequivocal statements that the percentage of vaccine injured/dead is small comparatively speaking- and that the majority of vaccinated are unscathed?
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I guess I feel empowered to make such a statement based on the fact that I now question everything, especially the people I've followed for years... Alex Jones, Mike Adams, Tucker Carlson, Robert Malone... and so many others. I don't know what god they've placed their faith in, the True God, or Lucifer, Satan, Baal or some other false god. I've been looking into the false light, Gnostic side of things, and I believe we're being lied to on both ends of the spectrum in order to set up a faked return or Jesus and a fake kingdom on Earth via their Dominion Theology. I don't know the whistleblowers, so I can't say if they're motivated by false light forces. I firmly believe the dark side, vax pushers are 100% motived by evil. I can only speak on what I know 100% to be true; I know not one person who's had a negative effect from the shots. But thanks to research from so many on this site, as well as my own, I do believe these are bioweapons. I'm certainly not trying to deny you're right, so please don't take it that way. I don't think Robert was either. In my case, I'm just confused as to why these shots haven't affected me personally. I think they will slowly begin to take their effect soon though, so this discuss won't really matter in the long run. We need to keep our eyes on the prize, and not let minor differences of opinion break up our family here.
 
This is a slow burn but it is happening and growing, the average death rates are slowly increasing. UK Government data reveals the past 3 months 12.56% increased over the 5-year average. And of course, the 5 year average is already slightly higher due to pandemic deaths, (rightly reported or not).
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)
Open report, go to contents, open page 1. It’s updated every Tuesday at 12pm.

I also get to see the sickness reports for the company I work for. There are less that 30 staff and for the last 7 months of 2019 there were 27.5 days taken overall, this is about average. The same 7-month period in 2020 was 25% lower at 21 days off. No jabs available but increased hygiene and distancing and working from home led to a 25% reduction! The last 7 months period of 2021 increased to 111 days of sickness and the past 7 months to end of July 2022 has risen to 162 days off! This is over 3 and a half times where it would normally be! It is also noticeable that all bar 2 are jabbed and the 2 un-jabbed have had no sick days at all!

Large companies are struggling to fill vacancies, the CEO of an Australian mining company asked “where have all the workers gone?”. The media hardly reports of course. BBC radio 4 did run a short piece on the increased death rate but the Government spokesman sounded ill at ease and waffled on about the NHS being under pressure etc.

Quote: Pfizer mRNA vaccine changes our genetic code that determines how our organisms operate, that you inherited from your mom and dad. Now your DNA was changed from what your mom and dad gave you, by adding a little mysterious "edit" from Pfizer.
Your organism acts in accordance with your DNA program, and now, well, the program has been hacked and modified by Pfizer.

What it is saying is: lab studies show that mRNA vaccine DOES integrate itself into human cellular DNA. This means that a shot of Pfizer vaccine, taken even once, permanently changes the DNA of affected cells.Link;

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/w...bstack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

So whether there are severe ill effects /death, moderate adverse effects or no effects the DNA is changed. Think of the implications of that.
 
יהוה_saves said:
How can anybody be so, in don’t want to say insouciant, but perhaps so untroubled, by the heavy HEAVY toll that these injections have already taken on the human family. the huge number of shattered lives as a result of these injections is already staggering, right now, and we aren’t in the worst of it.
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Due to the many lies I've freed myself from, I'll admit I suffer from a fair bit of paranoia/distrust these days. I struggle with who to trust, and which information to trust even when it's provided by someone I do trust. The fact is I've been tricked into providing fake news in the past, so I'm very skeptical of everything, but I know my faith is 100%, so I'll look into anything. For example, if some scientist claims they found 100% irrefutable proof of evolution, I would look into it in order to try and find the 1% lie in their data. If someone claims there's proof Jesus never existed, I'll look into it for the same reason. Why? So that I can then help others not be tricked. I know this shot is bad, I'm just confused as to why it hasn't affected those I know. I know there are food shortages in grocery stores, yet when I go to town the shelves are filled. My experience doesn't mean your experience is not rue, it just means I'm not seeing what others are seeing, which to be honest gives me pause to wonder if there's a disconnect in the data. I need to see evidence first hand, and as of now I just haven't seen any... but this doesn't mean I'm not searching or studying the evidence others present.
 
Carl said:
I need to see evidence first hand, and as of now I just haven't seen any... but this doesn't mean I'm not searching or studying the evidence others present.
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Ditto for me. I don't have any trust in humans and it's worse knowing that brother will turn against brother. I don't have all the answers to the covid puzzle but we don't have all the pieces yet either. One of the other goals of the covid operation was to get away from physical currency and go to digital money. Money is dirty and you might catch something if you touch it. That was being pushed early on.
It's old news that the Federal Reserve has hit a wall and they want a way out that keeps them in control. That is 1.

2. Some things take time. They can't kill off everyone at once or they risk everyone else waking up at the same time. They have been using online propaganda and cancel culture to silence those who talk. Just look at the Alex Jones trial. Any reports on the trial brings out the flaming maniacs to spew hatred and they're all jabbed and boosted. This was never about a virus. It was about asserting control over the world. Always has been. Destroy the economy to the point where large corporations hold all the cards.
Corporations are already onboard with the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset agenda. Lest any of them have an attack of conscience or any other conflicting issues, one phone call puts them back in line. If the mark of the beast is a real mark or something injected/inserted etc they want everyone to already be compliant. Covid was a test and the first implementation.
Have patience. The rest will become apparent soon enough.
 
Watchman said:
Presumably, billions have been vaccinated. Most are not suffering severe ill effects.
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What about cancers and heart attacks and stroke? The number of brothers and sisters in my home congregation with cancer and mysterious illness is very high. I'm convinced that some people experience reactions that we can't pin down. They just assume it's "normal" cancer. My uncle suddenly has ALS out of nowhere. What if a good number of the effects are just masked as other illnesses?

Just a thought. I'm not sure of anything. And what's frustrating is that I work in IT in a Healthcare organization and there is no effort whatsoever to use the data we have readily available to identify what's going on in the vaccinated population. It would be easy. I could write a report in half a day that would give solid numbers on what diagnoses and symptoms are being reported and the frequency compared to the pre-Covid times... But I'm convinced I'd be fired for even creating and configuring the report.
 
Manoah said:
This is a slow burn but it is happening and growing, the average death rates are slowly increasing. UK Government data reveals the past 3 months 12.56% increased over the 5-year average. And of course, the 5 year average is already slightly higher due to pandemic deaths, (rightly reported or not).
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)
Open report, go to contents, open page 1. It’s updated every Tuesday at 12pm.

I also get to see the sickness reports for the company I work for. There are less that 30 staff and for the last 7 months of 2019 there were 27.5 days taken overall, this is about average. The same 7-month period in 2020 was 25% lower at 21 days off. No jabs available but increased hygiene and distancing and working from home led to a 25% reduction! The last 7 months period of 2021 increased to 111 days of sickness and the past 7 months to end of July 2022 has risen to 162 days off! This is over 3 and a half times where it would normally be! It is also noticeable that all bar 2 are jabbed and the 2 un-jabbed have had no sick days at all!

Large companies are struggling to fill vacancies, the CEO of an Australian mining company asked “where have all the workers gone?”. The media hardly reports of course. BBC radio 4 did run a short piece on the increased death rate but the Government spokesman sounded ill at ease and waffled on about the NHS being under pressure etc.

Quote: Pfizer mRNA vaccine changes our genetic code that determines how our organisms operate, that you inherited from your mom and dad. Now your DNA was changed from what your mom and dad gave you, by adding a little mysterious "edit" from Pfizer.
Your organism acts in accordance with your DNA program, and now, well, the program has been hacked and modified by Pfizer.

What it is saying is: lab studies show that mRNA vaccine DOES integrate itself into human cellular DNA. This means that a shot of Pfizer vaccine, taken even once, permanently changes the DNA of affected cells.Link;

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/w...bstack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web

So whether there are severe ill effects /death, moderate adverse effects or no effects the DNA is changed. Think of the implications of that.
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Carl said:
Due to the many lies I've freed myself from, I'll admit I suffer from a fair bit of paranoia/distrust these days. I struggle with who to trust, and which information to trust even when it's provided by someone I do trust. The fact is I've been tricked into providing fake news in the past, so I'm very skeptical of everything, but I know my faith is 100%, so I'll look into anything. For example, if some scientist claims they found 100% irrefutable proof of evolution, I would look into it in order to try and find the 1% lie in their data. If someone claims there's proof Jesus never existed, I'll look into it for the same reason. Why? So that I can then help others not be tricked. I know this shot is bad, I'm just confused as to why it hasn't affected those I know. I know there are food shortages in grocery stores, yet when I go to town the shelves are filled. My experience doesn't mean your experience is not rue, it just means I'm not seeing what others are seeing, which to be honest gives me pause to wonder if there's a disconnect in the data. I need to see evidence first hand, and as of now I just haven't seen any... but this doesn't mean I'm not searching or studying the evidence others present.
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BagdadBill said:
Ditto for me. I don't have any trust in humans and it's worse knowing that brother will turn against brother. I don't have all the answers to the covid puzzle but we don't have all the pieces yet either. One of the other goals of the covid operation was to get away from physical currency and go to digital money. Money is dirty and you might catch something if you touch it. That was being pushed early on.
It's old news that the Federal Reserve has hit a wall and they want a way out that keeps them in control. That is 1.

2. Some things take time. They can't kill off everyone at once or they risk everyone else waking up at the same time. They have been using online propaganda and cancel culture to silence those who talk. Just look at the Alex Jones trial. Any reports on the trial brings out the flaming maniacs to spew hatred and they're all jabbed and boosted. This was never about a virus. It was about asserting control over the world. Always has been. Destroy the economy to the point where large corporations hold all the cards.
Corporations are already onboard with the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset agenda. Lest any of them have an attack of conscience or any other conflicting issues, one phone call puts them back in line. If the mark of the beast is a real mark or something injected/inserted etc they want everyone to already be compliant. Covid was a test and the first implementation.
Have patience. The rest will become apparent soon enough.
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One of the things I have noticed over the years is how there's generally multiple goals to be achieved by those in power. Often, we think there's a plan in the making when there were many plans being hatched throughout the whole ordeal. Then other plans come into play when certain goals weren't reached while others were. Warfare isn't just about bullets & arrows flying across the field, while catapults fling stones, or ships fire missiles at targets of interest. Much of it is psychological in order to test the waters of a specified target(s) all the while adjusting the perception of said person(s) of interest. Some of the biggest threats are not genetic, but rather memetic.
 
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יהוה_saves said:
isnt that putting Jehovah your God, to the test?
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It is absolutely putting Jehovah to the test and...
Ms_ladyblue said:
They stressed our taking precautions in being safe in our day to day life around the home, out in public and in our cars. Not taking RISKS! Like _saves said, not putting Jehovah to the test!
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as I have pointed out here's the difference as far as them making such a huge "federal case" out of Covid, no matter what anybody did they could NOT stop "Covid", the reality is, just like the flu nothing can/could stop it. So you take reasonable precautions but as Jesus said, we have not been taken out of this world so we have to live in it. We have to live, that means we have to work and go about our business and no one, government or Governing Body has the authority to stop that. But here's the point, although you cannot stop the spread and exposure to things like the flu, you cannot possibly die from a vaccine you do not take!

So if they were honest they would have weighed the real actual risk of "Covid" to everyday people. Like I have said over and over again, if your life span is "70 or 80" and 80% of everyone who dies "from Covid" are 70-80, (or have an average of 3 commodities), is that not "old age?" Is that "Covid" or is that "life in Satan's world" when every single one of us is going to die until Jehovah's Kingdom comes.

So the truth is they are not honest, and any honest person can reason this out. I was listen to an interview the other day with Gonzlo Lira and he said something almost exactly like what I have been saying now for a couple years, you do not have to "silence lies", and they don't, you silence the truth because it is the truth that hurts the lie, and that is the real reason the WT has been so adamant that we don't "read apostate driven lies", not because of the lies, but because of the truth. They aren't worried about what what anyone else says about them, just former JW's! People with inside information and experiences!
 

Father Whose Son Developed Myocarditis Gets Pharmacist to Admit They're Omitting the Truth​

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A 'shocking phone conversation' between a seething father and a pharmacist is currently going viral on social media. During the conversation, the pharmacist reveals why parents are not informed about any serious side effects. The father said that his wife had his 7-year-old son vaccinated against his will at the pharmacy and that the boy is now in hospital with myocarditis. The man asked the pharmacist why they do not inform people about possible side effects. This may deter parents, with the result that they do not want to have their child vaccinated, the pharmacist replied.

What's wrong with you? “Have you gone completely mad?” the father asked. “You don't want to scare them off? You must provide the correct information! What's wrong with you? I'm also recording this conversation and this is going to a lawyer. Thank you for admitting this.” The father further pointed out that 20 percent of patients with myocarditis die within five years, the damage is permanent and the boy will probably need a heart transplant because of the shot. "Because you didn't want to scare my wife!" The pharmacist then claimed that the risks of vaccination do not outweigh the benefits. Court The angry father asked her if she is going to say to the next mother who wants to vaccinate her child that another child now has a devastated heart because of the jab. "I can't answer that," said the pharmacist. The man, who works in New York and lives in New Zealand, said she will have to answer to court. “You just admitted that you don't say this to people because you don't want to scare them. I recorded everything.” The pharmacist then said that she was not the one who administered the injection. Killer “My child is very hard to beat! You are responsible for that. What are you going to do? You ruined a life! And all because you choose not to tell people that these vaccines are dangerous and deadly," said the father, calling the woman a murderer. The man then let himself go completely and scolded the pharmacist, after which the conversation ended.
 
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Father Whose Son Developed Myocarditis Gets Pharmacist to Admit They're Omitting the Truth​

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A 'shocking phone conversation' between a seething father and a pharmacist is currently going viral on social media. During the conversation, the pharmacist reveals why parents are not informed about any serious side effects. The father said that his wife had his 7-year-old son vaccinated against his will at the pharmacy and that the boy is now in hospital with myocarditis. The man asked the pharmacist why they do not inform people about possible side effects. This may deter parents, with the result that they do not want to have their child vaccinated, the pharmacist replied.

What's wrong with you? “Have you gone completely mad?” the father asked. “You don't want to scare them off? You must provide the correct information! What's wrong with you? I'm also recording this conversation and this is going to a lawyer. Thank you for admitting this.” The father further pointed out that 20 percent of patients with myocarditis die within five years, the damage is permanent and the boy will probably need a heart transplant because of the shot. "Because you didn't want to scare my wife!" The pharmacist then claimed that the risks of vaccination do not outweigh the benefits. Court The angry father asked her if she is going to say to the next mother who wants to vaccinate her child that another child now has a devastated heart because of the jab. "I can't answer that," said the pharmacist. The man, who works in New York and lives in New Zealand, said she will have to answer to court. “You just admitted that you don't say this to people because you don't want to scare them. I recorded everything.” The pharmacist then said that she was not the one who administered the injection. Killer “My child is very hard to beat! You are responsible for that. What are you going to do? You ruined a life! And all because you choose not to tell people that these vaccines are dangerous and deadly," said the father, calling the woman a murderer. The man then let himself go completely and scolded the pharmacist, after which the conversation ended.
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That was hard to listen , at the end it brought tears to my eyes. I have a 9 year old, and 4 year old, and this evil is truly demonic, and it breaks your heart!
 
יהוה_saves said:
Steady. i don’t think i am emotionally charged in this thread. i used logic and respect to state my point of view, and i can back every word with facts and data.

There is merit in weighing the analytical data, empirical evidences, the vast cover ups, censorship, the whistleblower health care workers’ statements, the unadjudicated deaths, the creation of bizarre, absurd concepts like “kids can have strokes too”- trying to insert them into our vernacular as if they’ve always been there, and all this for a NOMINAL PERCENTAGE of vaccine adverse reaction (CDC’s definition)?

No. It all forms a comprehensive picture of what’s happening on the ground. Not what I or anyone else directly experiences, or sees or feels or thinks but what is actually happening.

I just simply do not agrée that a “huge percentage” of the jabbed have no «ill effect» i do not believe the “majority of vaxxed have ‘no severe ill effect’” and whatever else Robert stated as fact here.

I actually do believe that the facts bear out the very opposite, by virtue of and the very nature of the mRNA shot itself- it being irreversible, PERMANENTLY alters the human genome to sequence, produce AND SHED, a disease-causing, artificial sub-1 prion (yes, prion) spike protein leading to widespread sickness and hospitalization both now AND on into the future, is, by it itself, on its own, an ILL EFFECT.

I stated my case and i stand by it. And i was
not in any emotionally charged state while
doing so, but now, i admit, i am getting very close, because more than anything, I really dislike mischaracterizations.

What’s next? Will the words nutty, crackpot and spiritually weak be recklessly thrown about
as they were so CRUELLY, UNKINDLY AND FLAGRANTLY assigned to sweet Bunny last week in response to a very sweet, heartfelt and loving message she wrote? Please say hello to your wife.

I expect anything. Is the moon in a phase?
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Kim, You wrote: "What’s next? Will the words nutty, crackpot and spiritually weak be recklessly thrown about
as they were so CRUELLY, UNKINDLY AND FLAGRANTLY assigned to sweet Bunny last week in response to a very sweet, heartfelt and loving message she wrote? Please say hello to your wife."

Why oh why did you write that and include it in this thread? What is your motive for bringing out a private email between Driven and Bunny and include me in your presentation of it as if I was the one who used those "reckless" words. If you "really dislike mischaracterizations" as you claim, then certainly you would not have mischaracterized me in the manner in which you did with that paragraph. Again, why? What did I do to you that deserved such wicked inclusion?
 
Nomex said:
He's literally talking about getting through to the "emotional charged" jabbed JW's, who are drooling with anticipation at every utterance coming out of the mouths of the Octo-Pope!
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Thank you Bro Nomex but my comment about "emotionally charged" was indeed in reference to Kim and the manner in which she was responding to Robert's comments to her. Her response to me a few minutes later confirmed my assertion. Thank you for the thought though!
 
Watchman said:
Is there any reasonable explanation why millions of people have apparently not experienced any ill side effects whatsoever, while others have had horrendous after effects including death? Age or health does not appear to be a factor as perfectly healthy athletes have keeled over while sickly people take the shots and do fine. The disparity is very strange.
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Yes. I have seen video from a nurse I believe from Australia or New Zealand saying there are 3 tiers/groups of the vaccines all mixed in together. 1 group is a "Kill Shot" Group 2 is "Less Potent slower acting of Group 1" and group 3 is placebo. They did this intentionally so that the die off would not be simultaneous but in phases so as not to draw too much "attention". But as people come back for more over time, say for a booster, the deadlier they the shots become. I wish I could find her video testimony. I'll try. But it has probably been scrubbed.
 
Nomex said:
It is absolutely putting Jehovah to the test and...

as I have pointed out here's the difference as far as them making such a huge "federal case" out of Covid, no matter what anybody did they could NOT stop "Covid", the reality is, just like the flu nothing can/could stop it. So you take reasonable precautions but as Jesus said, we have not been taken out of this world so we have to live in it. We have to live, that means we have to work and go about our business and no one, government or Governing Body has the authority to stop that. But here's the point, although you cannot stop the spread and exposure to things like the flu, you cannot possibly die from a vaccine you do not take!

So if they were honest they would have weighed the real actual risk of "Covid" to everyday people. Like I have said over and over again, if your life span is "70 or 80" and 80% of everyone who dies "from Covid" are 70-80, (or have an average of 3 commodities), is that not "old age?" Is that "Covid" or is that "life in Satan's world" when every single one of us is going to die until Jehovah's Kingdom comes.

So the truth is they are not honest, and any honest person can reason this out. I was listen to an interview the other day with Gonzlo Lira and he said something almost exactly like what I have been saying now for a couple years, you do not have to "silence lies", and they don't, you silence the truth because it is the truth that hurts the lie, and that is the real reason the WT has been so adamant that we don't "read apostate driven lies", not because of the lies, but because of the truth. They aren't worried about what what anyone else says about them, just former JW's! People with inside information and experiences!
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Point well taken @Nomex, I was just reiterating the blatant hypocrisy of the WT/GB and how they talk out of both sides of their mouth. We know they’re not honest, have they ever been honest about anything really? I think I know the answer to that but at this point it really doesn’t matter to me anymore! They’ve been exposed!

No, I won’t die from a vaccine I haven’t taken and never intended to take in the first place from the beginning of this pandemic. It wasn’t hard for me to see and understand what was happening. Yes, we have to live in this world and as long as I do I will still take those reasonable precautions. The key word is REASONABLE. For example, having to wear a mask for the reasons they state is not taking reasonable precautions. But I won’t go into all those particulars ad nauseam. I think you get my drift.

All of that said, my point mainly is to say; since we do have to live in this world now my choices are primarily made based on what I see and personally hear about WHAT IS going on around me, not on some conjured up fable by so called intellectuals in white coats who just want to stuff their fat pockets with $$$. Enter WT/GB, who also jumps on the covid bandwagon only to follow the same mental globbledy goop. But I digress… I’m so very tired of it all.


I also agree and like what you brought out from that interview, ‘you do not have to “silence lies,” and they don’t, you silence the truth because it is the truth that hurts the lie.” And we know how WT fits into this without me stating that here.

But I take to heart what one of our forum members and brother @Carl said in this thread yesterday.
All of this information that’s been covered up has been coming at us for more than two years now. And this can serve to equip us well so we can make informed decisions that will help guide us in the right direction.
We can’t force our decisions on anyone else. You can provide them with the information and it’s up to them to do with it what they want.

We do well to remember that we can’t lose sight of what’s most important, having love among ourselves and respecting what others think and feel. The scriptures even predicted that these debates would take place among God’s people in this period of time, at 2Timothy 2:23, 4: 1-4.
We can’t allow ourselves to be distracted by these debates that have been brought on by ‘the ruler of this world‘ and the ‘father of the lie.’
Rather, we want to “make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ.” Phil. 1:10.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that I put all these things into practice all day every day as I should. I realize that I’m not perfect and make mistakes. That is why I come on this forum, to gather with friends of like faith, pray to Jehovah, read the scriptures. This is what I need to help me as I travel on this road to life having genuine love for one another as we do so.

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