Dumb or Evil??

I don't think the GB made that decision though I can be wrong. They probably went by the expertise of one of their doctors at Bethel who had connections within pharmacy and a local mayor or politician who lied to their faces of it being safe and effective and became some people are so naive to those that have an evil mind, they can't imagine that level of evil thinking. They be too scared to be called a conspiracy theorists.
 
Innocent as Doves said:
I'm still new here....what does this mean exactly?
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That in around 2000 the GB separated from the corporation and they became two separate entities thus protecting the GB legally.

Geritt Loesch said as much in his Australian Royal Commission testimony when he said "I have never worked for WT. I don't report to WT."

What he said was technically true, but very misleading. Prior to 2000, the GB and corporation were one and the same.

We all know that the GB makes the rules, but they are saying in court that they don't. If only the rank and file knew about these shenanigans. But they won't because they don't watch "Apostate" material.

But many have seen the Geoffrey Jackson testimony in the ARC and have woken up so one can hope...
 
Sutterhome said:
Was discussing with my wife last week.

1)Do you think the GB just followed along with CDC/MSM regarding forced vaccinations? Honestly not knowing about the poison being injected.

Or

2)They were incented to do so and are in on it??

I vote #2
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I think we have to think about this whole thing completely differently. Hitler said, "the bigger the lie the more people would believe it." But I think what is more revealing about that is what he was referencing. He was talking about how the Jews had painted themselves as a religion when in fact they are a race...or something to that effect. It's hard to find the references that really explain this, the internet is indeed being purged on info like this... but I think the point is way more nuanced.

When we think about the Pharisees for example, did they think they represented Jehovah? Most certainly they did, it it is what allowed their fanatical treatment of Jesus, God's son. It also condemned them, because their positions revealed what was in their hearts. The reason I bring up the Hitler quote, which is probably more of a paraphrase, but the fact is, many people lie to themselves. I think it is safe to think Satan himself lied to himself. So it stands to reason we in his system have a tendency to do the same. None of us are immune to it.


So I do not think it's a fair assessment, to narrow it down in such a way. Here's how I would describe it...the GB lied to themselves, and still do..and have for over 100 years...and they lie to themselves about everything...but regarding this...I am certain they said to themselves, "this vaccine and lock downs is what we should do, look at Romans 13"..etc...and so they justified their actions...it's not so much what they did, as I have pointed out regarding why Eve sinned, its WHY THEY SINNED! Satan drew the sin out of Eve, by appealing to her sinful desire, which was to "be like God." Now why or how he knew that would draw her sin it, who knows, but he must have known, because not only did he do it, but it worked.

But now history is repeating itself starting all the way at the beginning...being like God, appealed to Eve, so now here we are 6,000 years later, and these men, who believe they will be "like God", Satan is drawing their sin out, in exactly the same way he did Eve! But the desire to be like God is the actual original sin. So then are we surprised that Satan has used the very thing that worked the very first time he tried it?

So I would say it is way more complicated and convoluted than these two options, but it includes both, and they will bend over backwards, because like mister "Pillow Gate" himself said, "they are our future Kings" to do whatever then can to keep themselves in power.

Personally, I think they were overwhelmed with Covid and had NO IDEA what to do about it, and panicked! Every thing they did, reeks of desperation and confusion. The God they claim to serve, was unavailable for comment. So they had to resort to seeking out Satan for guidance, exactly like Saul did, when Jehovah's prophet was also "unavailable". So he sought out advice from the "witch of Endor/UN." Instead of asking why Jehovah was not directing them, they went to the UN for council and inserted Romans 13 for their reason!!!!! Sound familiar? Its exactly what Winder did, when he said, "we don't have to apologize, we know this is how Jehovah does things."

Jehovah is making them reveal who and what they are...and it seems to be accelerating!
I would caution however, although they are clearly just like Saul, Jehovah did not gloat in their demise, and therefore had the inspired record, record how David felt about the man who claimed he killed Saul. That is not to say we should not look forward to the end to their deception and their punishment, just don't be too happy about it. It is sober and extremely tragic that they have allowed themselves to be so deceived. But again why are they deceived? "Those who want to be first will be last".... they desire to be like God, and that desire is drawing them out and brings forth their sins! It is exactly what is happening all around us all through out the world...these people want to "be like God " exactly like their "father the Devil."
 
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Soul Sage said:
I don't think the GB made that decision though I can be wrong. They probably went by the expertise of one of their doctors at Bethel who had connections within pharmacy and a local mayor or politician who lied to their faces of it being safe and effective and became some people are so naive to those that have an evil mind, they can't imagine that level of evil thinking. They be too scared to be called a conspiracy theorists.
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I understand your thinking on this as my mother also clings to the hope it was all just a huge mistake and somehow everything will be miraculously fixed. The reality is “they” which is all powers that be were in on it including WT and the GB were and are just the front man actors. All the big corporations had their sappy “we’re all in it together “ commercials ready to go spring 2020 - how convenient. WT will not apologize as it was always the plan.
 
I Like Pizza said:
Just remember "judge not lest thee be judged". Not that having an opinion on 1 or 2 is judging these men, but there are many variables that we may not be privy too. It could be both 1 and 2. The weeds 2, and the wheat 1.

They aren't perfect, and I don't expect them to be. In the end, the individual members of the congregations need to think for themselves regarding these matters, but they don't. It seems like that in itself makes them just as culpable as the ones who lead.
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I get your point but I would remind you that thinking for oneself has gotten people disfellowshipped and labelled apostate in the past. I wasn't invited to their private meetings so I can't say for certain but, there is still the issue of their UN membership which they have never repented for. The same principle which applies to us, also applies to them. That is to say, when a sin becomes known to the congregation their reproof must be in front of the congregation.
If Jehovah did not spare King David the humiliation of being reproved then who are they? You might say, well some of them are anointed. While that may be true, they haven't received their crown yet and can still be rejected. While they have never claimed to be prophets, they dance around the idea of being led by holy spirit. Playing false to holy spirit is no small thing.
I don't expect them to be perfect but I do expect them to repent.
 
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