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That is terrible. I hope you are doing ok/handling it ok?
I feel like mental illness can be similar to other serious physical injuries when things are not working right. I've had people close to me struggle with mental issues.
I am in touch with an older brother , whom I have known for 40 years and he struggles with mental issues as well, he is often left alone by the brothers , not even being helped to get rides to the meetings and no phone calls or visits from the congregation. He still calls me from time to time , even though he knows I am disfellowshipped, because I do call in and check on him and try to encourage him. Two days ago I called him back after I missed his call, sure glad I did as he was in very sore straights and told me he was contemplating suicide. Being all alone for three years is getting to him...I have spoke to him about my thoughts on the GB and he tries to be loyal to them but recognizes that they have made some serious mistakes , but again sticks to them. LOL Now that meetings are back in face to face mode, he wants to get a ride to the meetings and the brothers won't pick him up, so I offered him a ride to and from the meetings...not sure I should have but he needs association and help and this might shame some into helping him. At least for a while and maybe he will realize what is happening. After all the GB and Elders are just imperfect men....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

LazerHarp

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Greetings!
I understand from your words that the way how I said in english (about this brother's death) was not correct.
I intended to say not that the brother has took himself his life, but simply, his life ended, or simply he died (in fact he died because of a cancer).
Thank you for that Seeker4Kingdom. My prayers go out to you, and all the good brothers and sisters there.

It is like walking a fine line when you want to wake someone to the GB, but don't want to take away their faith and community.
The GB seems to exploit people and their need for spirituality/community sometimes.

Regards
 
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seeker4kingdom

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"He brings princes to nothing,
and makes the rulers of the earth as emptiness.
Isaiah 40:23
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Here is what we read in the Bible book of Daniel about a great action by Jehovah:
"He changes times and circumstances; he overthrows and makes kings; ..." (Daniel 2:21).
How does JEHOVAH change 'times and circumstances'?
First of all, it is necessary to know that He acts in accordance with the decisions He has made beforehand, seeing clearly what is to come (Isaiah 46:10a).
In connection with this, it is then necessary to understand that in connection with these decisions, JEHOVAH clarifies things at the time appointed by Him, that is, before it happens, He reveals to His messengers, through His Holy Spirit, the 'mystery' of those things.
Of course, this is necessary because prophetic things are 'hard to understand' and the human mind can only understand and comprehend them through the divine revelation given by JEHOVAH by His Spirit.
"He reveals what is deep and hidden; ..." Daniel 2:22a.
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Hidden things were also those related to the true biblical identity of the "man of lawlessness."
Although some 'parties' of 'witnesses' talk about that intruder, they cannot prove at all that JEHOVAH had revealed to them the true identity of that intruder.
But there is enough evidence that in the pages of the brochure "The Reaper" the biblical true identity of that intruder was proved biblically, from the first issue of this brochure.
Of course, this was not accomplished by human power, but by the revelation made by JEHOVAH by His Holy Spirit.
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Now it is understood what 'princes' and 'judges' are really about.
Thus, it is now understood that the 'princes of Zoan' in Isaiah 19:11 are those princes we read about in Isaiah 10:8, about whom the Assyrian (the "man of iniquity" - the 'head' of the religious organization of witnesses) says:
"Are not my princes all of them kings?"
It is now understood, then, that these 'princes' are those to whom the 'Assyrian' (the king of the north in Daniel's prophecy) has given authority over many - Daniel 11:39.
The same is true of those who have called themselves leaders of various groups of witnesses, who unjustifiably have the false claim that they represent the "remnant."
Likewise, as far as 'judges' are concerned, let us understand that the authority given to them obliges them to work according to the justice of Jehovah.
But they don't work like that !!
That's why they will all be reduced to 'nothing' !!
- The Reaper. (Daily text of August 18, 2005).
 

seeker4kingdom

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I have a great pleasure to recommend you an article posted on this forum more than 10 years ago..
Even if we do not agree 100% we may find goods points of view.....

Author ... Littleone :
"When that original congregation apostasized, it formed the Roman Catholic Church.
Was it that the Roman Catholic Church was Jehovah's organization?
No. But it itself did hold Jehovah's anointed within it, did it not? What about the reformation periods? Jehovah still had his faithful anointed scattered thoughout the various sects and denominations of the nominal church.
Was it that the baptists were God's organization?
Was it that the anglican church, the presbyterian church, the adventist church, the pentecostal chuch, or any other church was to be considered Jehovah's earthly organization?
No. But we do know that these various denominations had Jehovah's anointed within them.
Likewise, even today, we know that Jehovah has anointed within the Jehovah's Witness congregations, but does that in itself mean that the WTBTS is Jehovah's earthly organization?
Of course not. It can be said that these various anointed belong to Jehovah's heavenly organization, but it cannot be said that the earthly organization of Jehovah's Witnesses itself is God's organization. For we ourselves gathered here, at this site, also claim that we have anointed present, do we not?
But do we dare declare ourselves as Jehovah's new earthly organization? Perhaps we should start writing posts to praise the "e- jehovahs witnesses . com" website, declaring it as Jehovah's new earthly organization... telling people that they can only find salvation through this website... may that never happen!
Likewise, how many here are active members of Jehovah's Witnesses? Of course there are some. But many here were either disfellowshipped, which means they were kicked out and therefore no longer members of Jehovah's Witnesses, or they disassociated themselves, which also means they're no longer members of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Also, we have members here who never were Jehovah's witnesses to begin with... like myself. But of those who are disfellowshipped, disassociated, or who never became members of Jehovah's Witnesses, are we all to be considered OUTSIDE of Jehovah's organization?
May that never happen! For if that is the case, then WOE to us! For we have found ourselves as opposers of Jehovah himself!
This is also why everything that was carefully concealed within that organization is now being revealed.
The "proof" that was used to show that the Jehovah's Witness organization was indeed Jehovah's earthly organization has now perished. It has been revealed from heaven that the claims made about 1914-1918 are NOT SO.
It has been revealed from heaven that Jesus did not come in 1914-1918 to cleanse the temple.
It has been revealed from heaven that Jesus did not come in 1914-1918 to appoint the "faithful slave" over all of his belongings.
His "belongings" by the way also include those god fearing people of the "nominal church".
Rather, what has it revealed? Transgression.
Transgression against whom? Jesus Christ and Jehovah God.
Transgression by whom? By those who made these claims to begin with, and by those who refuse to be reproved today concerning those claims.
Jehovah's organization is that which it has always been since Pentecost 33 CE.
It is still comprised of Jesus Christ as its foundation cornerstone, the Apostles and prophets as its foundation stones, and Jehovah's anointed being harmoniously joined together to be built up together for a place for Jehovah to inhabit with spirit.
Anyone who is a part of this heavenly organization has no fear of being kicked out of any earthly organization... for their organization is that which is in the heavens, and has nothing to do with any earthly organization.
Jesus did say that whenever two or more are gathered "in his name" (let the reader discern that I did not say "those who claim to gather in his name"), that he himself will be there. Likewise, Jehovah himself will be there with spirit and power.
It does not matter what earthly organization these ones are apart of, for Jehovah recognizes none except the one in which He himself established through His son Jesus Christ... that organization is a heavenly one.
This organization is also extensively organized, because it has Jesus Christ as its head. He himself is now alive and acting as head and Master over this heavenly organization... a perfect governor, one ruling to perfection those whom look to him for salvation.
I am not trying to prove that Jehovah's Witnesses are not God's people.... for I believe that all persons belong to him.
But one may ask: "Where was Jehovah's earthly organization before CT Russell and the Bible Students came along?"
The answer that most Jehovah's witnesses would give is that Jehovah during that time had faithful anointed followers that were "scattered about" throughout the various religious organizations of the times. And that these ones themselves were apart of His organization. I doubt any Witnesses would say that His earthly organization was the various churches of Christendom themselves during that time.... rather, they would say that Jehovah's organization was separate from that.
Likewise, on that same thought, I contend that Jehovah's Organization now is the same one that existed even back then.... separate from ANY earthly organization.
Likewise, I also believe that if anything is formed by man, and said to represent Jehovah's heavenly organization, then I contend that this thing formed is indeed an Idol.
And those that made it are idolators.
And I also contend that all those who either in word or deed that bend their knees to such an idol are also guilty of Idolatry, and need to be warned so they can turn around and repent.
The scriptures clearly state that Jesus Christ is the way to Jehovah (John 14:6)
Whoever teaches that the way to Jehovah is through an organization is teaching something contrary to Jesus Christ.
Just as the Roman Catholics teach that salvation only comes THROUGH the church, can we at the same time teach people that salvation only comes through the Jehovah's Witness organization?
If so, we're idolators and are in need of repentance, because we have replaced Jesus Christ with something else... this is idolatry.
If we teach that salvation rest THROUGH any man or group including the anointed themselves, then we're idolators, and in need of repentance. For we have replaced Jesus Christ with something else... this is idolatry.
For the scriptures clearly teach there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved... except Jesus Christ. (Acts 4:12)
>> The "brotherhood" of the anointed, those who are members of the spiritual temple act as ambassadors substituting for Christ. Their mission is to tell those of the earth to "become reconciled to God!"
How does one become reconciled to God?
Only through Jesus Christ whom is alive and ruling as head and Master over the congregation of God in power and glory in the heavens (2Cor 5:20).
He is "the way", "the truth", and "the life" (John 4:16)
>> Noone, noone, noone, comes to the father except through Jesus Christ. He is the gatekeeper. And anyone or anything that comes in his place is a thief and a plunderer. (John 10:1-16)
The God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples (nor earthly buildings, or earthly organizations), neither is He attended to by human hands as if He needed anything, because He himself gives to all (persons) life and breath and all things.
And He made out of one (man) every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth, and He decreed the appointed times and He set limits of the dwelling of (men), for them to seek God, if they might grope for Him and really find Him, although in fact, He is not far off from each one of us. - Acts 17:24-31.
 

StopTheInsanity

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Hi Seeker4Kingdom, I read a little on your link but I didn’t have a chance to read the whole thing because I have to work today. But I will say that I must agree with Robert in that when we see fulfillment of Jehovah’s prophecies in the days to come, it will be evident to all that these are fulfillment of bible prophecy. For example the 42 months (1,260 days), the 1290 days, the 2,300 mornings/evenings, the MOL, etc. In all judgment times of the past, whether the flood of Noah’s day, the days of the Egyptian Pharoah or Sodom and Gomorrah, the prophecies were fulfilled in such extraordinary ways that even those who did not worship Jehovah saw them and they were deeply affected by them. I believe when these time periods begin to be fulfilled, it will be obvious to all, believers and non-believers. The events will be earth shaking.
What's the MOL?
 

StopTheInsanity

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Howdy Folks. I'm just winging through and saw this thread so I thought I'd pop in for a quick looksey. (I'm at an internet free zone at the Park)

The True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses are a fascinating group worthy of a decent discussion.

Gerrit Losch made a video about how they got about 5000 to return to the main Org after a long time on their own.

Originally their main beef was in regards to the "Superior Authorities" change back in around 1962. These brothers had undergone alot of persecution under the Soviets but they got comfort from the Societies former teaching about the Superior Authorities being Jehovah and Jesus.

When this was revised in 1962 to the "Secular" Authoriites being the Superior Authorities the brothers thought it was a KGB PSYOP as their had been considerable infiltration of the ORG by KGB Agents which had resulted in many of them being sent to Russian Gulags. The change in doctrinal position was so stark as to render a profound level of distrust and alarm in the Brothers.

A large Cohort of brothers in the Eastern Block separated from the parent ORG refusing to use any literature after the 1962 update. In a sense they became a time capsule of the ORG from 1962.

Although Losch got 5000 back into the fold there are apparently still tens of thousands of True Faith Jehovah's Witnesses outside of JW.ORG in Eastern Bloc countries. To the best of my knowledge, many won't return as they see JWs as too much part of the World. TFJWS do not embrace many of the Worldly trends in dress and music that members of JW.ORG frequently indulge in.

Ray Franz, apparently gave a discourse to some members which video is somewhere out on Youtube.

The fact that the KGB was able to infiltrate the ranks of JWs in the 1950's with some rising to position of CO gives us reason today to be careful about the headoffice in the USA being infiltrated by American Intelligence/Masonic interests. Robert King has alluded to this possibility out on his main page.

It also gives caution as to the attitude of many brothers that appointments of Elders; Judicial Committee Decisions etc are a result of Holy Spirit as the KGB Agents were prayed about before they were appointed to positions of oversight.

I would love to hear more from "Seeker4Kingdom" on the topic. (When I get back online which is pretty random at the moment😒🙃)
So glad you are here. You can offer a lot of insight because a lot of us have been suspicious of infiltration in the U.S. and could use some pointers on how best to deal with them if we still stay "in" or do you feel it's best to leave to avoid their influence like the TF JW's did?

I suspect that it's happening in Russia, too, and that those are the ones who are turning our brothers and sisters in. Has anyone noticed that some of the life experiences of some of those supposedly incarcerated are former police officers? That put up a red flag for me immediately.
 

SusanB

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So glad you are here. You can offer a lot of insight because a lot of us have been suspicious of infiltration in the U.S. and could use some pointers on how best to deal with them if we still stay "in" or do you feel it's best to leave to avoid their influence like the TF JW's did?

I suspect that it's happening in Russia, too, and that those are the ones who are turning our brothers and sisters in. Has anyone noticed that some of the life experiences of some of those supposedly incarcerated are former police officers? That put up a red flag for me immediately.
4JahAndChrist is no longer on the forum but I think he still lurks from time to time.
 

Nomex

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a lot of us have been suspicious of infiltration in the U.S.
It's interesting, because growing up, back in the 70's and 80's our father had taught us about the infiltration of Stasi etc, that had been appointed as elders. It was a subject that was often discussed. Now, looking back it explains some things, like the contentious relationship my family had with the elders in spite of the fact that my father was an elder. We were taught that the elders were only appointed by Holy Spirit in the sense that they used the guidelines from the inspired word of God. And NOT that each individual was appointed by Holy Spirit.

But regardless, Jehovah did anoint King Saul, Solomon, Jesus picked Judas etc. So to use the Holy Spirit appointment as if it means you cannot question any thing they do is clearly not biblical. I have always said one of the reasons we are encouraged to study the bible ourselves, is so we can identify when someone is doing something wrong. Incidentally, I used to think that's why, back in the day, WT would publish WT study articles about how the Elders are supposed to behave.

But it has become clear, throughout the years that they really believe that they are appointed by God, and that's one of the reasons they hate being questioned about anything they do. But that fact also testifies to the real evidence that they cannot actually have God's favor because of how arrogant they are. They love comparing themselves to Moses, and love comparing any descent to the Elders and GB etc to Korah's rebellion, but they are comparing themselves to the "meekest man on the earth." Yet another testimony to their arrogance, and to the fact they cannot actually have God's favor.

The scripture "it does not belong to man even to direct his step", somehow the GB are exempt to that?" Why? They are not perfect, which means they make mistakes. So when "come-over says, "some may ask what they know? Wrong question? The right question is what does God know?" Actually I think the right question is "how do you know what God knows? And how did you get to be so arrogant?"
 

seeker4kingdom

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DECEMBER 17
"At midnight, a people totters and perishes.
The mighty perish, without the intervention of the hand of any man."
Job 34:20
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The expression 'at midnight' reminds us of JEHOVAH's action against the Egyptians in ancient times.
Then He struck all the first-born of the Egyptians, including Pharaoh's first-born.
Job was inspired to prophetically write these words that I quoted above, regarding an action that JEHOVAH would undertake in the end times. Not with regard to Satan, because he is not perishing now, but will only be bound,
but with regard to the 'man of lawlessness' (Pharaoh), who is indeed destined to perish.
And not only with regard to him, but also with regard to his people, which consists of all those who are faithful to him!
This Pharaoh of our times is that 'mighty' that Job speaks of here, and of which the inspired Isaiah showed that he would be dispossessed of the prey he had taken, namely the "saints" (who were overcome by the "horn" !) Isaiah 49:25; Daniel 7:21.
It should be remembered that these actions that lead to the loss of the 'strong one' and the 'people who waver' (Isaiah 19:14) take place without intervention, without "the intervention of any human hand".
Presenting the identity of the "man of lawlessness" from another angle, JEHOVAH inspired the prophet Isaiah to write:
"And the Assyrian shall fall slain by a sword, but not of a man:..." Isaiah 31:8.
-- Do you believe these things? Do you have the power to 'see' them?
- The Reaper.
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seeker4kingdom

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Jehovah says ..... Isaiah 41:
17. The poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst; I, Jehovah, will answer them, I, the God of Israel, will not forsake them.
18. I will open rivers on the bare heights, and fountains in the midst of the valleys; I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.
19. I will put in the wilderness the cedar, the acacia, and the myrtle, and the oil-tree; I will set in the desert the fir-tree, the pine, and the box-tree together:
20. that they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of Jehovah hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
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Isaiah 42
1. Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
2. He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street.
3. A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly burning wick will he not quench: he will bring forth justice in truth.
4. He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set justice in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his law.
5. Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6. I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thy hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7. to open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison-house.
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Isaiah 45
19. I have not spoken in secret, in a place of the land of darkness; I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I, Jehovah, speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20. Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that carry the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21. Declare ye, and bring it forth; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath showed this from ancient time? who hath declared it of old? have not I, Jehovah? and there is no God else besides me, a just God and a Saviour; there is none besides me.
22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.
2. 3 By myself have I sworn, the word is gone forth from my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24. Only in Jehovah, it is said of me, is righteousness and strength; even to him shall men come; and all they that were incensed against him shall be put to shame.
25. In Jehovah shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
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Isaiah 49
8. Thus saith Jehovah, In an acceptable time have I answered thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee; and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to raise up the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages:
9. saying to them that are bound, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Show yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and on all bare heights shall be their pasture.
10. They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them will lead them, even by springs of water will he guide them.
11. And I will make all my mountains a way, and my highways shall be exalted.
12. Lo, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.
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Isaiah 55
1. Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
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Rivelation 22
1. And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,
2. in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner of fruits, yielding its fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
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17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And he that heareth, let him say, Come.
And he that is athirst, let him come: he that will, let him take the water of life freely.
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seeker4kingdom

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"With whom, then, will you compare God ?
To what image will you liken him? ” Isaiah 40:18
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Who are these questions addressed to ?
Of course to all those inclined to idolatry, because people have always tended to use various forms of worship, in which they have made many gods.
It is noteworthy that not only those who make a carved or cast face that they use in worship are to be condemned, but also those who, although they call JEHOVAH as their God, still ran after foreign gods.
The doctrine that leads us to believe that only those who were God's people in ancient times were idolaters is totally wrong!
Why?
Because it is clearly shown in the Scriptures that in the last days idolatrous abominations would be worshiped! Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15.
The Scriptures show that such things would happen to God's people in the last days, and it says, "There you will worship man-made gods." "When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days...” (Deuteronomy 4:28a,30).
Related to this, Scripture speaks of the fact that in the Temple would be set up in those times the "adversary", who would pretend to be God (that is, would raise claims to be the sole knower and holder of biblical truth)! 2 Thessalonians 2:4
This intruder "would rise, glorify himself," above all gods, "and would prosper until a certain time" (Daniel 11:36), deceiving the inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 13:14). .
Of course, many were drawn into the race to worship him and his organized system (the beast), becoming worshipers of the beast !
So here it is with whom do some men compare God, they who condemn those who worship "the carved images, and the molten images" -literally!
Are not they more guilty for resembling the "slave-class" with the One who did all things? Romans 1:22, 23.
-- But by the way, are you sure that you do not compare Jehovah to anyone?
- The Reaper.
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"The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?"
Psalm 27: 1a.
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Of course, only the true believer can subscribe to these words of Scripture.
Undoubtedly, the true believer is a man "without wickedness."
because only such people are given the light, the skill of "the revelation of the words of God" (Psalm 119:130).
Undoubtedly, the one who receives the light and the skill by discovering the words of God, is a righteous man, being in contrast with the evil one who cannot understand the things revealed! (Daniel 12:10).
Undoubtedly, as the Scriptures say, "The ordinances of the Lord are perfect, rejoicing the heart." Psalm 19: 8a
Whose heart? Of the wicked ?
No, but of the righteous !
Yes, for the righteous, "the commandments of the Lord are pure, enlightening the eyes." Psalm 19:8b.
Yes, only a righteous man can truly agree that the Most High is as the psalmist says, namely, "For the Lord God is a sun and a shield." Psalm 84:11a
There is no doubt that if JEHOVAH did not give light through His Word (Ps.119: 105), light and understanding through the revelation of His words (Ps. 119:130), no one could be saved.
But He brings to light great things, and things concerning eternal righteousness, so that those who understand them may walk in the righteousness of God (Ps. 119:40), and the Scripture says, "Whoever walks in righteousness, find salvation. ” Proverbs 28:18a
Who would have such a man be afraid of, whose shield is JEHOVAH ?
- Be such a man, and you will see! It is your responsibility, in fact !
- The Reaper.
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"God girdeth me with strength, and leadeth me in the right path." Psalm 18:32.
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It is noteworthy that the believer, the righteous, says not only that he is given power, but that he is even girdeth with it.
Yes, when it is the case, to him who cries out to JEHOVAH for help, He increases their power as it is written, that "He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the fainting." Isaiah 40:29
What power? He gives so much power to the true believer that compared to that of the lads and the young, it is clearly superior.
Yes, as the Scripture says, "Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:" “But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." Isaiah 40:30, 31.
Yes, this is the case with those who truly trust in JEHOVAH - even literally. But we must pay much more attention to the spiritual side of this verse.
When the one who foreshadowed the believer spoke of his condition under oppression and persecution, being almost ready to be "consumed from the earth" (Psalm 119: 87), he asked for strength from JEHOVAH, saying:
"Quicken me according to Thy lovingkindness; so shall I keep the testimony of Thy mouth.." Psalm 119: 88
Yes, for the believer, the teachings of Jehovah's mouth are of great value, as can be seen from the following biblical quote: "I will never forget thy precepts;
For with them thou hast quickened me." Psalm 119: 93
Of course, power is also needed in order to watch.
To watch, to what? Of course at the signs of the times (the prophetic signs) !
This can only be done by those who "do not despise the prophecies" (1 Thess. 5:20).
They receive power of understanding from JEHOVAH so that they can understand things "hard to understand" of His Word, at the appointed time !
So as God enlightens our hearts by His Holy Spirit, we make "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God shine upon the face of Jesus Christ". (2 Corinthians 4: 6), and it confers ""excellency of the power" which is carried in "some earthen vessels ”(2 Corinthians 4: 7).
And so, the believer is led, is counseled "on the right path" !
- The Reaper.
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"A city is built up [exalted] by the blessing of the upright,
( but it is torn down by the mouth of the wicked.) "
Proverbs 11:11a.
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Undoubtedly so, especially considering the fact that this is the city over which the Name of the Most High is called !
This city can be exalted, provided that the people in it bless, that is, speak well, speak the truth correctly.
Yes, it could not be otherwise, because where the Name of God is called, things must be said that are consistent with sound teaching, and live in harmony with it.
This is a real blessing for that city, and of course innocent people produce it !
Of course, a city like the one described in the prophecy of Zephaniah chapter 3, verses 1-4 has no way
to be exalted in the eyes of Jehovah (because it is about such an exaltation).
Why? Let us draw the conclusion by quoting these verses :
1. Woe to her that is rebellious and polluted! to the oppressing city !
2. She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in Jehovah; she drew not near to her God.
3. Her princes in the midst of her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they leave nothing till the morrow.
4. Her prophets are light and treacherous persons; her priests have profaned the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law. "
(Zephaniah 3:1-4).
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This is the atmosphere that prevails in that city, although as shown in verse 5:
"Jehovah in the midst of her is righteous;
he will not do iniquity; every morning doth he bring his justice to light,
he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame."

Of course, such a city does not rise, because it lacks the blessing of the innocent people in it !
- Know ye the city, that obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in Jehovah; she drew not near to her God ?
- Yes, you thought correctly, this "city" is, the "religious organization of the witnesses" !
- Does it surprise you?
- "See" that the city that is exalted by the blessing of the blameless is now being rebuilt (Isaiah 60) !
- The Reaper.
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Truth_Seeker

Well-known member
The king of Assyria, the Assyrian represented Satan itself, same as the King of Babylon, same as Faraoh.

"When Jehovah finishes all his work on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, He* will punish the king of As·syrʹi·a for his insolent heart and his proud, arrogant gaze.+ 13 For he says,
‘I will do this by the strength of my hand
And with my wisdom, for I am wise.
I will remove the boundaries of peoples+
And pillage their treasures,+
And I will subdue the inhabitants like a mighty one.+
14 Like a man reaching into a nest,
My hand will seize the resources of the peoples;
And like one gathering abandoned eggs,
I will gather the whole earth!
No one will flutter his wings or open his mouth or chirp.’”
15 Will the ax exalt itself over the one who chops with it?
Will the saw exalt itself over the one who saws with it?
Could a staff+ wave the one who lifts it?
Or could a rod lift up the one who is not made of wood?
16 Therefore the true Lord, Jehovah of armies,
Will inflict emaciation on his fat ones,+
And beneath his glory he will kindle a blazing fire.+
17 Israel’s Light+ will become a fire,+
And his Holy One a flame;
It will blaze up and consume his weeds and his thornbushes in one day.
18 He will utterly* do away with the glory of his forest and his orchard;
It will be as when a sick man wastes away.+
19 The rest of the trees of his forest
Will be so few that a boy could list them."
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Isaiah 40 is not exclusively about idolatry, but about appreciating the attributes of Jehovah. Just whom is comparable? It asks. It is not merely about worship, but the creation, and even then, not its existence but how it functions in a total provision of all things. Now that, is something that cannot be mimicked either through adulatory or the many other aspects of our lives that serve to detract from the glory that is Jehovah. It is the totality of His existence.

If the creation and it’s creator are taken as a whole, including what we call the universe, it’s laws that govern its existence, the complexity, yet economy of it; the unnecessary beauty of it, however, made beautiful for our pleasure and to reflect His love and generosity. Note that there is no forgone requirement for beauty in creation. The whole process could have been a figurative grey; no colour, no warmth, no mountains, no wonders in size over the great monsters of the air. land and sea; complexity in design, delicate mathematical stringing of a web - nothing of such wonder. Yet there is, and it’s in abundance. Simply for the joy of creating it thus and freely giving it away for all to enjoy, endlessly. Who really does compare with such grandeur?

The message of idolatry is there for those that dwell upon superficial command of others, and skip upon the surface of the message as with a doom laden warning and a wish to rise among men, but for the seeker in truth, the scripture is an invitation to appreciate just what we have been given. Life is but the means by which we may be made aware of it, but the true gift of Jehovah, is the journey He is inviting us upon. Living. The abundance of existence within the laws that He has made. The depth of discovery, the fellowship of discovery, the endless variations, and the eternity contained within the brain to accommodate the spectral magnificence of, not what already exists, but that which can be brought to existence and, critically, the reasoning, the “love” that supports the entire concept in what will be an eternity.

It is empty to hammer on about idolatry and ignore the message of the scripture ….”who can compare to or with Jehovah?…” . It is the understanding of the elements that comprise Jehovah that makes “idolatry” pointless and gives idolatry its true substance of vacuity. If we grasp that, then we begin to “know” Jehovah. Knowing Jehovah nullifies any thought, reasoning upon, or substance to and of idolatry. Who is going to “know Jehovah” whilst chained to watchtower? Know Him now!
 

Ana

Well-known member
Isaiah 40 is not exclusively about idolatry, but about appreciating the attributes of Jehovah. Just whom is comparable? It asks. It is not merely about worship, but the creation, and even then, not its existence but how it functions in a total provision of all things. Now that, is something that cannot be mimicked either through adulatory or the many other aspects of our lives that serve to detract from the glory that is Jehovah. It is the totality of His existence.

If the creation and it’s creator are taken as a whole, including what we call the universe, it’s laws that govern its existence, the complexity, yet economy of it; the unnecessary beauty of it, however, made beautiful for our pleasure and to reflect His love and generosity. Note that there is no forgone requirement for beauty in creation. The whole process could have been a figurative grey; no colour, no warmth, no mountains, no wonders in size over the great monsters of the air. land and sea; complexity in design, delicate mathematical stringing of a web - nothing of such wonder. Yet there is, and it’s in abundance. Simply for the joy of creating it thus and freely giving it away for all to enjoy, endlessly. Who really does compare with such grandeur?

The message of idolatry is there for those that dwell upon superficial command of others, and skip upon the surface of the message as with a doom laden warning and a wish to rise among men, but for the seeker in truth, the scripture is an invitation to appreciate just what we have been given. Life is but the means by which we may be made aware of it, but the true gift of Jehovah, is the journey He is inviting us upon. Living. The abundance of existence within the laws that He has made. The depth of discovery, the fellowship of discovery, the endless variations, and the eternity contained within the brain to accommodate the spectral magnificence of, not what already exists, but that which can be brought to existence and, critically, the reasoning, the “love” that supports the entire concept in what will be an eternity.

It is empty to hammer on about idolatry and ignore the message of the scripture ….”who can compare to or with Jehovah?…” . It is the understanding of the elements that comprise Jehovah that makes “idolatry” pointless and gives idolatry its true substance of vacuity. If we grasp that, then we begin to “know” Jehovah. Knowing Jehovah nullifies any thought, reasoning upon, or substance to and of idolatry. Who is going to “know Jehovah” whilst chained to watchtower? Know Him now!
Cuanto más se observa la grandeza de Jehová como creador, más humildad deberíamos de mostrar. Es inversamente proporcional, algo así como: Que inmenso es Jehová😳=que insignificancia la nuestra😵‍💫!! Y así, todo el tiempo...🤣🤣🤣 Abrazo!!
 
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