If Jehovah has an org, why leave?

[gitane]

all things are not completely understood

That being true, how can anyone claim to be Jehovah's people? As mentioned in my previous post, saying 'Jehovah' or using it as part of your name doesn't identify his people. My opinion is that his people will be established upon Jehovah's kingdom being founded on earth.

• God said he will take people for his name (Hosea 2:23, Haggai 2:6,7)
• Jesus told us to make disciples and teach people. (Matthew 28:19,20)
• Everyone is being called but not everyone is chosen. (Matthew 22:14)
• There will be refining and separating of good from bad. (Rev. 14:17,18)
• Those who remain faithful during the hour of test will be chosen to be his people.
• Those people are called the great crowd, from all nations and tongues. (Rev. 7:9, 10)

To proclaim themselves chosen before the separation occurs is premature.
As a disciple you need to teach and proclaim God's Kingdom. Being a disciple doesn't mean you are chosen yet. Judas was also a disciple, but then he fell off.

 

[w_stone]

People cant use Jehovahs name.Jehovah allows his name to be used.If those people misuse his name.They fall under his jugeement. HE draws people to himself.But the Devil has sown his seed too.The separating begins with the introduction of the Christ by the two witnesses

 

[gitane]

I 'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

People cant use Jehovahs name.Jehovah allows his name to be used.

 

[DR74minus]

I 'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

Maybe he doesn't know what he is trying to say prehaps.

 

[DR74minus]

If we see the org as the holy place, then an exit from it has been urged by Jesus at the right time.

 

[gitane]

Isn't the holy place in the spiritual temple?

 

[DR74minus]

Isn't the holy place in the spiritual temple?

That would be a 10/4 spiritual temple being Christ's congregation of anointed Christians.

 

[gitane]

Another thought I had, inspired by @Nomex post, is if JW are idolaters, how does that make them different than the rest of Christendom? The only difference is that Christendom went apostate first. So how can we then believe that JW are God's people and Christendom is not? If Jesus approved JW after Christendom went apostate, who did he appoint after JW went out as apostate? (I mean it's not like they started out apostate, right? 😁). Nothing makes any sense in these teachings... No one (literally) has the right answer and everyone is speculating. I am more and more convinced that there are numerous congregations, all over the place, all of them being at various stages of understanding, who are the candidates for being chosen at the appointed time. We can't say they're not preaching, because JW has distorted that part. It's about making disciples and there ways other than preaching JW style to make them. As for Mt 24:14, to me the context indicates that it's about preaching about the kingdom that's already established. So that preaching is yet to come.
Thoughts?

 

[Nomex]

if JW are idolaters, how does that make them different than the rest of Christendom?

It makes them worse...because "they are a people for his name!" The only people who call on the name of Jehovah, and make an actual distinction between Father and Son! Yet they still blaspheme!

 

[gitane]

It makes them worse...because "they are a people for his name!"

That implies that they have been chosen as people for His name. I just can't see them as being chosen because I haven't seen any real proof, especially because at the supposed time of their choosing they had some pretty out there teachings.

 

[CyndiaS]

Another thought I had, inspired by @Nomex post, is if JW are idolaters, how does that make them different than the rest of Christendom? The only difference is that Christendom went apostate first. So how can we then believe that JW are God's people and Christendom is not? If Jesus approved JW after Christendom went apostate, who did he appoint after JW went out as apostate? (I mean it's not like they started out apostate, right? 😁). Nothing makes any sense in these teachings... No one (literally) has the right answer and everyone is speculating. I am more and more convinced that there are numerous congregations, all over the place, all of them being at various stages of understanding, who are the candidates for being chosen at the appointed time. We can't say they're not preaching, because JW has distorted that part. It's about making disciples and there ways other than preaching JW style to make them. As for Mt 24:14, to me the context indicates that it's about preaching about the kingdom that's already established. So that preaching is yet to come.
Thoughts?

Hmm...following 🤔

 

[gitane]

What do the 7 congregations of Revelation represent?

 

[DR74minus]

Another thought I had, inspired by @Nomex post, is if JW are idolaters, how does that make them different than the rest of Christendom? The only difference is that Christendom went apostate first. So how can we then believe that JW are God's people and Christendom is not? If Jesus approved JW after Christendom went apostate, who did he appoint after JW went out as apostate? (I mean it's not like they started out apostate, right? 😁). Nothing makes any sense in these teachings... No one (literally) has the right answer and everyone is speculating. I am more and more convinced that there are numerous congregations, all over the place, all of them being at various stages of understanding, who are the candidates for being chosen at the appointed time. We can't say they're not preaching, because JW has distorted that part. It's about making disciples and there ways other than preaching JW style to make them. As for Mt 24:14, to me the context indicates that it's about preaching about the kingdom that's already established. So that preaching is yet to come.
Thoughts?

Christendom ie the clergy etc, was never Jehovah's people therefore they could not be seen as deviating from true worship. But to your point the org may just be part of those who claim to worship Jehovah. Therefore prospective anointed ones could be all over the where. However they probably are those who broke away from the org prehaps. I suspect it would likely be those ones who are doing any preaching of the good news of the Kingdom to the nations. I've never heard of any other group preaching the good news yet. There are some who preach, but not about Jehovah's incoming Kingdom.

 

[DR74minus]

What do the 7 congregations of Revelation represent?

The 7 congregations are symbolic of Christ's congregation. While there were congregations in the first century by the names of the ones mentioned in revelation, The ones in revelation are symbolic. Jesus is just pointing out some features of his congregation, ie there is a faithful element and an unfaithful element within his congregation highlighted by the aspect he relates to the 7. Thats the way I see it at least.

 

[DavidCJ]

I thought to myself maybe they conform to the government to try to fulfill what they say about how they'll be the ones left alone at the end and prospering, before the attack by the beast system. If you are against it early then you won't be there.

But if that is not based on truth but human wants, then it'll fail.