If Jehovah has an org, why leave?

Ms_ladyblue said:
Ugh! I’m right there with ya Goldie…although I might also need a glass of wine to help ease my nerves! Yes…thanks Meditator.
That was the same update #7 that Jehovah used to wake me and my husband up.

I always knew that those vaccines were dangerous and deadly. So, I stated to keep up with the VAERS report…. people that were being seriously affected by the vaccine were posting videos online starting around February 2021. I kept hoping and praying Jehovah would help those brothers to do their research and accurately report all the terrible things we were beginning to see take place.

But to no avail…and that was the update that convinced me and my husband that they were going along with this whole agenda.
It was especially traumatic for me to get my head wrapped around it all. The way the GB were reporting events, talks being given and especially those updates. This was no longer an organization that looked or sounded familiar to me…it was like I was listening to ”the voice of strangers.” And that’s exactly what they are….strangers….and they‘re just getting worse…like a cult!
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exactly. What a blessing that you and your husband are on the same page on the issue. It's broken a lot of relationships and families up. I agree, the org is unrecognizable and is more 'worldly' than ever
 
Some great comments shared in this thread, thank you. Sometimes an open-discussion is helpful to evaluate, reflect and come to good conclusions. Thanks @kirmmy for finding the comment from Losch regarding "unity is more important than Jehovah's blessing." Wow! I would say Truth is truth, those who seek it will unite, but, didn't Jesus say it would divide in Matthew 10:35? So, if unity is more important than truth or Jah's blessing, doesn't this mean Jesus was wrong here?
 
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robins said:
exactly. What a blessing that you and your husband are on the same page on the issue. It's broken a lot of relationships and families up. I agree, the org is unrecognizable and is more 'worldly' than ever
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Although I lost my husband almost 2 months after this update, I was happy that he found out…but I think he already had a feeling about it. And being on this forum has been a blessing along with other ex witnesses I’ve been in contact with. I’ve also been trying to help someone in the congregation here. I’ve just been talking to her a little at a time. I told her about RK’s website as well as the talk forum…and just the other day she asked me to help her find it on her phone by Googling it. I pray that something comes of it.
She‘s only been baptized a little over a year now, so she’s not fully indoctrinated yet.
 
mts said:
Is that a real quote from a GB member or WT article or an interpretation or personal conclusion? Don't recall those exact words ever being said from the "org".
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It is in fact a quote except it was said in their usual lawyer talk, I have posted about this and if you need me to, I'll find it again and re-post it, in one of the updates which ever GB member was hosting says, this is not going to be an exact quote, but again I have posted it before, he says, "if we obey the GB, we'll have Jehovah's blessing, and more importantly we'll have unity." So "unity" is more important than Jehovah God's blessing. Maybe he didn't specifically say, "untiy" is more important than "truth" but I think you get the point! Especially since they were lying about brothers dying from Covid, when they had no way to actually verify that!
 
Nomex said:
It is in fact a quote except it was said in their usual lawyer talk, I have posted about this and if you need me to, I'll find it again and re-post it, in one of the updates which ever GB member was hosting says, this is not going to be an exact quote, but again I have posted it before, he says, "if we obey the GB, we'll have Jehovah's blessing, and more importantly we'll have unity." So "unity" is more important than Jehovah God's blessing. Maybe he didn't specifically say, "untiy" is more important than "truth" but I think you get the point! Especially since they were lying about brothers dying from Covid, when they had no way to actually verify that!
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Obviously you did not read this entire thread, see Kirmmy's post. I say this because you NAILED IT! You have an incredible memory my brother and I always look forward to reading your stuff because it is not only entertaining but usually smothered with some amazingly intelligent insights that I would never have thought of myself. Strong work my brother in the surf, ah I mean brother in the faith :cool::ROFLMAO:
 
Citrine said:
You can be completely united for a terrible purpose.
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What did Jesus say when the Pharisees accused him of expelling demons by means of Beelzebub? Satan is unified.
Watchman said:
Someone did up an acronym chart a while back, if anyone remembers that thread. :unsure:
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You can make the thread a "sticky" so it stays at he top of the topic...I'll see if I can find it.
 
Watchman said:
Someone did up an acronym chart a while back
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Here it is...

Abbreviations

As I don’t seem to be the only one who’s having problems with abbreviations, I’d thought we’d compile a list together. I can add to this list as we go along. 144K - the chosen ones ARM - Armageddon BS - Bible study COTW- Center of true worship CSA- Child sexual abuse DT - disgusting thing FFDS...
e-jehovahs-witnesses.com e-jehovahs-witnesses.com
 
mts said:
@Watchman and others have affirmed that Jehovah has an org and it's the JW's. This being mainly becasue orthodox WT doctrine is scripturally sound. Now, there is the point of the 'evil slave & apostasy arising' within the Jah's org (as happened with Israelites) and 'Christ judging the organization' at some point which would trigger significant confusion within the org (see @Watchman's post here). Nonetheless, being that Jah does have an organization, the question is, why leave? If you leave Jah's organization, aren't you saying, you don't believe that he is directing his people through an org? I am trying to comprehend the aspect that yes, he has an organization, with imperfect/fallible members, but it's still under Jah & Jesus's direction; consequently, wouldn't leaving deny this assertion?

Now, I understand and appreciate having a platform that exposes certain wrongdoings, criticism or inconsistencies, etc. (this forum); however, it would seem that @Watchman's confirmation that JW's are in Jah's organization would support why there are PIMO & PIMI's and why it's better to stay-in then leave. :unsure:
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I’ll chime in here. My personal decision to not attend meetings does not mean that I stopped worshipping Jehovah nor that I have abandoned my dedication to HIM. For me what is important is what Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

John 4:23: “Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.”

He pointed her to the future coming of the Christian congregation. I can only guess that there was such a short time left for the Jewish system, centered in Jerusalem that it was really no longer something of critical importance.

Then, I consider when it was that the last time in history that we can be assured, with no doubt, that Jehovah did identify the congregations as his worshippers. That was from Pentecost 33 ce. Then, when the apostasy happened in the third century, ALL of the current arguments for staying in the congregation would have meant that we would all be Catholics today. Would that really be following Jesus instruction to the Samaritan woman about spirit and truth. Do we really need KH’s and GB’s to worship Jehovah acceptably?

I appreciate and agree with about 90% of what Robert King teaches and I also agree with a lot of what KevinB promotes. But to do anything other than what my study, my prayer and my conscience tells me would be following men and I won’t make that mistake again.

What is your proof that the Watchtower of today is Jehovah’s organization? Where was it from 300 ce to the 19th century? I have been told that there have always been faithful anointed ones on the earth but I don’t know that for sure. The bible does not say that. I agree that the Watchtower teaches more truthfulness than probably any other large religion and yet that isn’t the criteria that the bible gives us. To me that is only proof that Jehovah has used them for his purposes. Anyway, I cannot attend the meetings and feel that I am worshipping in today’s org with spirit and truth, so I‘ll stay on the sidelines and do as they teach, “wait on Jehovah.”
 
Nomex said:
Here it is...

Abbreviations

As I don’t seem to be the only one who’s having problems with abbreviations, I’d thought we’d compile a list together. I can add to this list as we go along. 144K - the chosen ones ARM - Armageddon BS - Bible study COTW- Center of true worship CSA- Child sexual abuse DT - disgusting thing FFDS...
e-jehovahs-witnesses.com e-jehovahs-witnesses.com
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I was trying to do that very same thing…to post that thread on here. Evidently, I did something wrong and it wouldn’t post. @Nomex. Thanks 👍🏼
 
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Driven said:
I’ll chime in here. My personal decision to not attend meetings does not mean that I stopped worshipping Jehovah nor that I have abandoned my dedication to HIM. For me what is important is what Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

John 4:23: “Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.”

He pointed her to the future coming of the Christian congregation. I can only guess that there was such a short time left for the Jewish system, centered in Jerusalem that it was really no longer something of critical importance.

Then, I consider when it was that the last time in history that we can be assured, with no doubt, that Jehovah did identify the congregations as his worshippers. That was from Pentecost 33 ce. Then, when the apostasy happened in the third century, ALL of the current arguments for staying in the congregation would have meant that we would all be Catholics today. Would that really be following Jesus instruction to the Samaritan woman about spirit and truth. Do we really need KH’s and GB’s to worship Jehovah acceptably?

I appreciate and agree with about 90% of what Robert King teaches and I also agree with a lot of what KevinB promotes. But to do anything other than what my study, my prayer and my conscience tells me would be following men and I won’t make that mistake again.

What is your proof that the Watchtower of today is Jehovah’s organization? Where was it from 300 ce to the 19th century? I have been told that there have always been faithful anointed ones on the earth but I don’t know that for sure. The bible does not say that. I agree that the Watchtower teaches more truthfulness than probably any other large religion and yet that isn’t the criteria that the bible gives us. To me that is only proof that Jehovah has used them for his purposes. Anyway, I cannot attend the meetings and feel that I am worshipping in today’s org with spirit and truth, so I‘ll stay on the sidelines and do as they teach, “wait on Jehovah.”
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Had this very conversation with my son last night. Instead of debating CC vs. WT... I'm focusing on Bible truths that go beyond any organization. The time is coming when true worship will be conducted in our "inner rooms" due to persecution from the 8th king. We need to focus on our faith, not an organization, that time has come and gone. To those who can stay in order to help others leave when the time comes, I say by all means stay. Just don't stay too long, and be careful not to allow yourself to get sucked back into the lies. I'm seeing the power of Satan's lies with my son. I'm constantly deprogramming him from the CC cult. Instead of trying to get him to leave, I'm telling him to be prepared to help others leave when the signs point to an impending attack by the beast. I'm focusing on "get out of her my people," and what that really means. "MY PEOPLE" means Jehovah's people are still inside BTG, not just the WT!!! It also means they need to leave before it's too late.
 
barry said:
I do believe the same thing. Every time there was a people for Jehovah they strayed away. This happened with old Israel and later during Jesus time.
The Bible is very clear this will happen with Jehovah's people in the time of the end as well.
During the time of old Israel even during times of strong corruption there were still faithful people in Israel.
Think about the time of Elijah. in 1 King 19:18 Jehovah told him that there were still 7000 who didn't who didn't bend down to Baal.
When Jerusalem was destroyed withing the captives, there were faithful men as well if we think about Daniel and his companions.
In Jesus time he condemned the religious leaders and cleaned the temple calling it the house of his Father (John 2:16).
In all these cases it was very clear that system of worship had been corrupted.
Jesus told his followers to do as they say but not to do as they show.

For our time the same is happening. There must be a people for Jehovah's name in our time otherwise the prophecies wouldn't have any meaning if there is no house of God to be cleaned/inspected.
I'm convinced that JW's were/are Gods people. Since they have the name JW's can bring reproach on God's name. And this is foretold it would happen.
Jesus mentioned that there would be a slave appointed and according to Jesus there would be a slave which is really corrupt and becomes apostate, but there is also a slave who is not like that, but still is negligent and will still receive strokes (Luke 12). So whatever is happening with the GB, it's part of prophecy.
So with this, I don't feel it's up to me to leave Gods people. As long as Jesus has not come to inspect and clean, I'm going to stay as close as possible without compromising.
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I think MOL is man of lawlessness
Pattie29 said:
I don’t think Robert argues to leave the organisation, mainly, stay but when you see the disgusting thing, then it’s time to leave. I think being viligant is crucial at the moment, especially with what’s happening in the world.
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How do we know that the vaccines that were administered in Jehovah's dedicated grounds is not the disgusting thing, as many of those will go on to kill God's people. I've heard of vaccines been administered within car parks and Kingdom halls.
 
barry said:
I do believe the same thing. Every time there was a people for Jehovah they strayed away. This happened with old Israel and later during Jesus time.
The Bible is very clear this will happen with Jehovah's people in the time of the end as well.
During the time of old Israel even during times of strong corruption there were still faithful people in Israel.
Think about the time of Elijah. in 1 King 19:18 Jehovah told him that there were still 7000 who didn't who didn't bend down to Baal.
When Jerusalem was destroyed withing the captives, there were faithful men as well if we think about Daniel and his companions.
In Jesus time he condemned the religious leaders and cleaned the temple calling it the house of his Father (John 2:16).
In all these cases it was very clear that system of worship had been corrupted.
Jesus told his followers to do as they say but not to do as they show.

For our time the same is happening. There must be a people for Jehovah's name in our time otherwise the prophecies wouldn't have any meaning if there is no house of God to be cleaned/inspected.
I'm convinced that JW's were/are Gods people. Since they have the name JW's can bring reproach on God's name. And this is foretold it would happen.
Jesus mentioned that there would be a slave appointed and according to Jesus there would be a slave which is really corrupt and becomes apostate, but there is also a slave who is not like that, but still is negligent and will still receive strokes (Luke 12). So whatever is happening with the GB, it's part of prophecy.
So with this, I don't feel it's up to me to leave Gods people. As long as Jesus has not come to inspect and clean, I'm going to stay as close as possible without compromising.
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I think MOL is man of lawlessness
Pattie29 said:
I don’t think Robert argues to leave the organisation, mainly, stay but when you see the disgusting thing, then it’s time to leave. I think being viligant is crucial at the moment, especially with what’s happening in the world.
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How do we know that the vaccines that were administered on Jehovah's dedicated grounds is not the disgusting thing? as many of those jabs will go on to kill God's people. I've heard of vaccines being administered within car parks and Kingdom halls.
 
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