In the Image of God

Bk Kevin said:
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Good and evil. Can one know about evil before knowing it? Why then does Jehovah say that just by thinking and desiring to do evil you are already sinning? Do you value something more than actions? It looks like it is. There is a resemblance to Jehovah in those who belong to him, or in other words in those who obey him. Obeying Jehovah is good and one can have free will and know what is bad even if one does not know it. For example, and I apologize if the example is unpleasant, children who are sexually abused. These children have the innocence of experience and yet, they know that what is done to them is wrong. Nobody has to explain it to you. They know it and that's it. So you can know what is wrong without knowing it. That is a divine quality. That is being made in his image and likeness, for example.
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Gracias a todos mis queridos traductores!! En verdad lo agradezco mucho. Os vais turnando en hacer de traductor sin pedirlo. Se me pinta un lagrimón!!💙
 
Bk Kevin said:
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Good and evil. Can one know about evil before knowing it? Why then does Jehovah say that just by thinking and desiring to do evil you are already sinning? Do you value something more than actions? It looks like it is. There is a resemblance to Jehovah in those who belong to him, or in other words in those who obey him. Obeying Jehovah is good and one can have free will and know what is bad even if one does not know it. For example, and I apologize if the example is unpleasant, children who are sexually abused. These children have the innocence of experience and yet, they know that what is done to them is wrong. Nobody has to explain it to you. They know it and that's it. So you can know what is wrong without knowing it. That is a divine quality. That is being made in his image and likeness, for example.
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@Ana
Scripture to compliment your thoughts

James1:​

14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed* by his own desire.+ 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin;+ in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death.+​

James1: 14 Pero cada uno es probado al ser atraído y seducido* por su propio deseo.+ 15 Entonces el deseo, cuando se ha vuelto fértil, da origen al pecado;+ a su vez, el pecado, cuando se ha cumplido, produce la muerte. .+​

 
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Ana said:
Good and evil. Can one know about evil before knowing it? Why, then, does Jehovah say that by merely thinking and desiring to do evil you are already sinning? Do you value anything more than acts? It seems so. There is a likeness to Jehovah in those who belong to him, or indeed in those who obey him. Obeying Jehovah is the good thing to do, and one can have free will and know what is wrong even if one does not know it. For example, and I apologize if the example is unpleasant, children who are sexually abused. Those children have the innocence of experience and yet, they know that what is done to them is wrong. No one has to explain it to you. They know it, period. So yes, you can know what's wrong without knowing it. That is a divine quality. That is to be made in their image and likeness, for example.
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Hi Ana, I think you misunderstand what I am presenting. Absolutely one can know that something is wrong without having knowledge of it. Prior to the sin, Satan most certainly knew that what he was about to do was wrong, and was going contrary to his nature, but that's not what I'm presenting here.

I'm glad we can communicate through the translate buttons, they work very well indeed. Hopefully things to get to jumbled up in the translation.
 
Cristo said:
Hi Ana, I think you misunderstand what I am presenting. Absolutely one can know that something is wrong without having knowledge of it. Prior to the sin, Satan most certainly knew that what he was about to do was wrong, and was going contrary to his nature, but that's not what I'm presenting here.

I'm glad we can communicate through the translate buttons, they work very well indeed. Hopefully things to get to jumbled up in the translation.
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Es imposible conocer algo que no existe. Eso me dice el traductor de tus palabras. Normalmente traduce muy bien. Y creo que entiendo lo que dices. Otra cosa es que comparta la perspectiva. Creo que se puede conocer el mal aunque no se sepa que existe, como por ejemplo los niños. De ahí mi ejemplo. El mal en concreto es especialista en ese concepto. Teniendo en cuenta que "algo" que no existe en este caso no es un objeto, puede tener una respuesta abstracta. Conocer el mal te da la capacidad de conocer la existencia de diferentes males. Es como esa frase: ya no me sorprende nada...( aunque sea algo sorprendente).
 
Ana said:
It's impossible to know something that doesn't exist. That's what the translator of your words tells me. It usually translates very well. And I think I understand what you're saying. It's another thing to share the perspective. I believe that you can know evil even if you don't know it exists, such as children. Hence my example. Evil in particular is a specialist in this concept. Considering that "something" that does not exist in this case is not an object, you may have an abstract answer. Knowing evil gives you the ability to know the existence of different evils. It's like that phrase: I'm not surprised by anything anymore... (even if it's somewhat surprising).
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If something does not exist, how can you possibly have knowledge of it?

Just as Jehovah said to Jesus after the sin Gen 3:22 "“Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad,." Obviously, creation had knowledge of good prior to the sin because that was all they demonstrated within their existence. Badness as a creation however did not exist until Satan created it, when he manifested sin into existence.

Nobody knew evil, or could associate it to an act that would be considered evil, prior to the sin.
 
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Cristo said:
If something does not exist, how can you possibly have knowledge of it?

Just as Jehovah said to Jesus after the sin Gen 3:22 "“Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad,." Obviously, they had knowledge of good prior to the sin because that was all they demonstrated within their existence. Badness as a creation however did not exist until Satan created it, when he manifested sin into existence.

Nobody knew evil, or could associate it to an act that would be considered evil, prior to the sin.
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El paraíso no existe. Pero tenemos conocimiento de ello.
 
Ana said:
El paraíso no existe. Pero tenemos conocimiento de ello.
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Te invito a que busque el significado del verbo transitivo: conocer. Mi hija de 8 años tiene que aportar, pues suelo compartir bastantes significados de palabras, incluidos los verbos, que tampoco existen los dragones y si que los conocemos. 😂😂
 
Cristo said:
Ok Ana, tell me about it? Whats paradise like?
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El paraíso es donde le explicaremos, a una persona nacida durante el milenio, que conocemos la influencia demoníaca aunque en ese momento no exista. Me parece que observas el mundo espiritual desde la perspectiva de un humano. Acaso el tiempo existe en la perspectiva de Jehová? Hablamos de cosas espirituales? De que estamos hablando si no?
 
Ana said:
Paradise is where we will explain to a person born during the millennium that we know the demonic influence even though it does not exist at the time. It seems to me that you look at the spiritual world from the perspective of a human. Does time exist in Jehovah's perspective? Are we talking about spiritual things? What are we talking about if we don't?
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I know what we will do when we get there. I want you to tell us what paradise is like. Compare it to something for me.
 
I don't think we can sufficiently reflect God's glory in our present form. Humanity's origin began in God's image. But because of sin we are largely separated from Jehovah today. We are still able to reflect a little bit -- here and there. God's image is still part of us. It's just obscured through the dust of defection. Interestingly, our understanding of the whole picture of God's kingdom is likewise depicted as seen through a hazy mirror. :unsure:


For now we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face-to-face. At present I know partially, but then I will know accurately, just as I am accurately known.
1 Corinthians 13:12
 
KingdomLeast said:
"So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." - Gen 1:27

So is God "male and female"?


I don't believe that sin destroyed the image of God in man. Let's look at Genesis 9:6 "whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man." This verse tells us that even after the fall, mankind is still made in the "image of God." Humanity still reflect, in some way, the dignity of the Lord, no matter how we have marred His image.
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Exodus 15:3
"Jehovah is a Manly person of war. Jehovah is HIS name." Moses and the sons of Israel recognized this fact And this canon was included under inspiration to be in the Bible. When you guys are all growed up in the new world you will see what Jehovah meant for man to be..
Just because In this world its almost shameful to act masculine or feminine..
 
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LuisMerino9412 said:
I've always thought that we might have abilities that many people consider as "magical" and that Jehovah forbids us to use because the demons are dangerous for us. But once we are in the new world we will be able to use them, maybe not all what we see today, but even more or things we do not know yet. Haha. Our brain and mind are a miracle and a huge mystery. We are small copies of Jehovah God and Jesus. So, we must have in some way the ability to communicate with and to see within the spiritual world and Jehovah's creation in general, but we are forbidden to do that because it is plagued with the demons. It's like going to a place that is beautiful and a mystery, but it's full of criminals. We are able in some way to do what Jehovah and Jesus do in a smaller scale, especially when we make groups. Imagine what all humanity will do once everyone is perfect. It's mind-blowing. Hehe. 😂😁🥰🤩😊
We might travel throughout the Universe or do things we could never imagine we might be able to do.
On the other hand, those abilities might be damaged because of sin and because we are imperfect. So, it's not the same. It's like a device or radio that does not work properly.
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"I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4 was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell."
1 Cor 12:1-4
 
Cristo said:
If something does not exist, how can you possibly have knowledge of it?
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By conscience, also given by Jehovah, together with our free will and freedom of choice.
Romans 2:15 'They (in Ana example the children) are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the (Jehovah's) law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused.'
Verse 14 speaks about the people of the nations who do not have law, but do by 'nature' the things of the law...
 
evw said:
By conscience, also given by Jehovah, together with our free will and freedom of choice.
Romans 2:15 'They (in Ana example the children) are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the (Jehovah's) law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused.'
Verse 14 speaks about the people of the nations who do not have law, but do by 'nature' the things of the law...
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Hi Evw, hope all is well over in your neck of the woods :)

I am not talking about an awareness of something. As I have stated, Satan certainly knew that what he was going to do prior to the sin was bad, and that it was morally wrong. Most certainly his conscience was fully functioning as a perfect creation of Jehovah, yet he chose to ignore it. Prior to the sin, no other creature in the entirety of creation had encountered sin; thus, Satan's act was unprecedented. It introduced a concept unfamiliar to any other creation, including Satan himself. There was no precedent to draw upon or compare to, making Satan's creation of sin a unique event that introduced the concept of free will within creation. Consequently, the knowledge of both good and bad became inherent within creation.

Thus, it is impossible to compare it to anything the angels had within their comprehension of existence, as it's inherently impossible to possess knowledge of something that has no existence. To the angels, the belief in free will required faith that they indeed had it, because their knowledge of bad was confined to speculation. There was an awareness of it, but its existence had not been established within the realm of creation before the sin occurred.

Ana's analogy of paradise not existing, yet she knows about, isn't grounded in firsthand knowledge. She is unable to provide an accurate description of paradise because it doesn't exist yet. When her eight-year-old daughter grows up and starts to ask real questions like "how do you know paradise is real?" Ana will be forced to acquiesce that it based not on actual knowledge but on faith. When my daughter was eight, she believed most of what I told her as fact, but as we grow and realize that things are not always what they appear, we realize that our parents don't KNOW as much as we thought they did and are forced to discover that knowledge for ourselves.
 
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evw said:
By conscience, also given by Jehovah, together with our free will and freedom of choice.
Romans 2:15 'They (in Ana example the children) are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the (Jehovah's) law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being accused or even excused.'
Verse 14 speaks about the people of the nations who do not have law, but do by 'nature' the things of the law...
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Mmmm...Romanos, me diste ganas de volver a leer esta carta maravillosa!! Gracias😘
 
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Bk Kevin said:
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Good and evil. Can one know about evil before knowing it? Why then does Jehovah say that just by thinking and desiring to do evil you are already sinning? Do you value something more than actions? It looks like it is. There is a resemblance to Jehovah in those who belong to him, or in other words in those who obey him. Obeying Jehovah is good and one can have free will and know what is bad even if one does not know it. For example, and I apologize if the example is unpleasant, children who are sexually abused. These children have the innocence of experience and yet, they know that what is done to them is wrong. Nobody has to explain it to you. They know it and that's it. So you can know what is wrong without knowing it. That is a divine quality. That is being made in his image and likeness, for example.
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Exactly so Kevin. One might ask how one can recognise what is bad, only by understanding what is good? Take mushrooms for instance! Knowing good from bad is a standard, not a state of being without understanding of the other. Just as you point out, a child even understands what parts of his body belong to him, and what parts are shared. It is a natural gift. Why should we not be equipped thus to reserve only for one other, the intimacy of our soul, our sense of being? If we stumble around innocent of guidance, knowledge then anyone can provide those standards, or abuse them without respect for the individual and thus hurt, confusion and chaos rules. And does just that not happen now that we are without Jehovah in this world - trans is about the best example of chaos yet devised by satan - it’s worse than war as there is no coherent argument for or against it in the world of “equality”that satan has created. Few see it for what it is. Jehovah provides insight, not ignorance. It is His standards though and if we love Him, we can see that readily.
 
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