In the Image of God

Interesting, I never thought about my body as creation factory lol. Heavy thoughts...
If you look into the bacterial motor, you will find that your body actually IS a factory, continually manufacturing and replacing cells - piecing together DNA and constructing all manner of replenishment within the construct of the body. Even down to the means whereby thought is translated into action - even the reason why you like pizza is registered, recorded and maintained. The sad fact is that our body will even register that we like McFats or BurgerFats. It just goes to show the extent to which Jehovah has given His people choice. It’s undoubtably the closest Jehovah has come to condoning sin. Fortunately, he didn’t go as far as a Wendy’s otherwise there would be no hope for us.
 
If you look into the bacterial motor, you will find that your body actually IS a factory, continually manufacturing and replacing cells - piecing together DNA and constructing all manner of replenishment within the construct of the body. Even down to the means whereby thought is translated into action - even the reason why you like pizza is registered, recorded and maintained. The sad fact is that our body will even register that we like McFats or BurgerFats. It just goes to show the extent to which Jehovah has given His people choice. It’s undoubtably the closest Jehovah has come to condoning sin. Fortunately, he didn’t go as far as a Wendy’s otherwise there would be no hope for us.
Yeah I understand our body reproduces itself continually, i just never actually thought of breathing and heart pumping as something that is the consequence of a creation kinda thing. Or that when I decide to get out of bed it is because I created the idea to do it. I just never thought of it like that is all. I'm more of a pizza guy than a wendys though.
 
After reading this thread it seems like Cristo and Barnaby were arguing two separate points. Cristo was saying that unless something is created it is impossible to have knowledge of it, which I guess is true, because I can't think of anything that isn't already created. Barnaby, you said that it is possible because we are able to determine things that don't exist yet based off of what we already know to be true. Kinda like new discoveries or something, but it seems like those things already exist we just haven't discovered them. So you two are not really talking about the same thing i don't think. Thought it was a good thread though regardless of what others posted.
 
After reading this thread it seems like Cristo and Barnaby were arguing two separate points. Cristo was saying that unless something is created it is impossible to have knowledge of it, which I guess is true, because I can't think of anything that isn't already created. Barnaby, you said that it is possible because we are able to determine things that don't exist yet based off of what we already know to be true. Kinda like new discoveries or something, but it seems like those things already exist we just haven't discovered them. So you two are not really talking about the same thing i don't think. Thought it was a good thread though regardless of what others posted.
Yes, it’s true that the argument is “difficult”, unless one wishes to discuss the physics of possibility. However, the point with the bacterial motor demands a little introspection. The argument is simple. The bacterial motor is built upon three sections, none of which can function individually as a bacterial motor to carry the building blocks of the DNA string. The question arises then, is how can these integral parts of a bacterial motor come into existence if it integral itself to evolution.

Likewise, in particle physics, it is possible to know that something exists before we have knowledge of it because of its effect upon what we experience. Therefore it must exist. What Christo is referring to is potentials. We have a prime example in Jehovah, or if you wish, the creator, who brought laws into existence to support the intended creation. “Let there be light”, was one such instance. Light limits gravity. That is an offshoot of potential that one would have to be aware of before creating a universe whereby the use of gravity is going to be an essential. It’s a simple analysis of cause and effect. We can conceive these potentials before they exist if you are aware of what you wish to create in the first place. If you wish a more earthy example, think about “damage limitation. It has its drawbacks insofar as creation is concerned, but nonetheless for we mere mortals, it’s a good enough theory in basics.
 
Yes, it’s true that the argument is “difficult”, unless one wishes to discuss the physics of possibility. However, the point with the bacterial motor demands a little introspection. The argument is simple. The bacterial motor is built upon three sections, none of which can function individually as a bacterial motor to carry the building blocks of the DNA string. The question arises then, is how can these integral parts of a bacterial motor come into existence if it integral itself to evolution.

Likewise, in particle physics, it is possible to know that something exists before we have knowledge of it because of its effect upon what we experience. Therefore it must exist. What Christo is referring to is potentials. We have a prime example in Jehovah, or if you wish, the creator, who brought laws into existence to support the intended creation. “Let there be light”, was one such instance. Light limits gravity. That is an offshoot of potential that one would have to be aware of before creating a universe whereby the use of gravity is going to be an essential. It’s a simple analysis of cause and effect. We can conceive these potentials before they exist if you are aware of what you wish to create in the first place. If you wish a more earthy example, think about “damage limitation. It has its drawbacks insofar as creation is concerned, but nonetheless for we mere mortals, it’s a good enough theory in basics.
I'm not gonna lie, you lost me. I don't see what this has to do with what I read, but thats ok, I don't really need to. I think anytime two or more people are arguing different points it will always be 'difficult' as you said.
 
There are wolves in this flock, and Unspiritual Men who sit in the uppermost "Respectable Seats" within this community

One or more of them:

• Deliberately employ many words & impressive vernacular, and attempt to bamboozle with lengthy prose that is disguised as a spiritual, meek Message of Light yet is laced with ramblings of proud, arrogant, puffed-up "educated" flesh
• Will more-or-less quote a scriptural phrase or verse when it appears to support their supposition but will conveniently demand "one cannot understand scripture unless [insert some reason that contradicts Matt 7:7-8]" when they feel threatened by someone who "handles scripture aright"
• Quote writings of any particular person with the same honour & worship that the Jews do with the writers of their Talmud, elevating their writings to the same category as God-breathed, canonical Scripture
• Will often use Ad Hominem attacks, or pass dismissive Judgement when challenged
• Deceive others, because they are deceived
• Will often smuggle in a tiny error alongside a lot of Truth, thereby escaping notice; or in other words "a little leaven ... in the whole lump"
• Often work as a team to bully their enemies
• Coerce the weak in faith to support their clique through flattery and/or by labelling & slandering their enemies
• Idolise a person
• Are often bewitched by women

Our Lord warned us to be on guard against such men. And such men ARE here. So be on guard.
 
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There are wolves in this flock, and Unspiritual Men who sit in the uppermost "Respectable Seats" within this community

One or more of them:

• Deliberately employ many words & impressive vernacular, and attempt to bamboozle with lengthy prose that is disguised as a spiritual, meek Message of Light yet is laced with ramblings of proud, arrogant, puffed-up "educated" flesh
• Will more-or-less quote a scriptural phrase or verse when it appears to support their supposition but will conveniently demand "one cannot understand scripture unless [insert some reason that contradicts Matt 7:7-8]" when they feel threatened by someone who "handles scripture aright"
• Quote writings of any particular person with the same honour & worship that the Jews do with the writers of their Talmud, elevating their writings to the same category as God-breathed, canonical Scripture
• Will often use Ad Hominem attacks, or pass dismissive Judgement when challenged
• Deceive others, because they are deceived
• Will often smuggle in a tiny error alongside a lot of Truth, thereby escaping notice; or in other words "a little leaven ... in the whole lump"
• Often work as a team to bully their enemies
• Coerce the weak in faith to support their clique through flattery and/or by labelling & slandering their enemies
• Idolise a person
• Are often bewitched by women

Our Lord warned us to be on guard against such men. And such men ARE here. So be on guard.

Hechizados por mujeres...🤣🤣🤣 Pobrecitos hombres,tan indefensos...que desprotegidos les ha hecho Jehová los hombres!! Maduren carajo!!!
 
There are wolves in this flock, and Unspiritual Men who sit in the uppermost "Respectable Seats" within this community

One or more of them:

• Deliberately employ many words & impressive vernacular, and attempt to bamboozle with lengthy prose that is disguised as a spiritual, meek Message of Light yet is laced with ramblings of proud, arrogant, puffed-up "educated" flesh
• Will more-or-less quote a scriptural phrase or verse when it appears to support their supposition but will conveniently demand "one cannot understand scripture unless [insert some reason that contradicts Matt 7:7-8]" when they feel threatened by someone who "handles scripture aright"
• Quote writings of any particular person with the same honour & worship that the Jews do with the writers of their Talmud, elevating their writings to the same category as God-breathed, canonical Scripture
• Will often use Ad Hominem attacks, or pass dismissive Judgement when challenged
• Deceive others, because they are deceived
• Will often smuggle in a tiny error alongside a lot of Truth, thereby escaping notice; or in other words "a little leaven ... in the whole lump"
• Often work as a team to bully their enemies
• Coerce the weak in faith to support their clique through flattery and/or by labelling & slandering their enemies
• Idolise a person
• Are often bewitched by women

Our Lord warned us to be on guard against such men. And such men ARE here. So be on guard.
: “The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. 25 While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. 26 When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. 27 So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ 29 He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, YOU uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’”
 
Hechizados por mujeres...🤣🤣🤣 Pobrecitos hombres,tan indefensos...que desprotegidos les ha hecho Jehová los hombres!! Maduren carajo!!!
Spanish to English.
Bewitched by women...🤣🤣🤣 Poor little men, so defenseless... that Jehovah has made men unprotected!! Grow up d*mn!!!

Jude1:​

16 These men are murmurers,+ complainers about their lot in life,* proceeding according to their own desires,+ and their mouths speak swelling things,+ while they are admiring personalities*+ for the sake of [their own] benefit.
 
There are wolves in this flock, and Unspiritual Men who sit in the uppermost "Respectable Seats" within this community

One or more of them:

• Deliberately employ many words & impressive vernacular, and attempt to bamboozle with lengthy prose that is disguised as a spiritual, meek Message of Light yet is laced with ramblings of proud, arrogant, puffed-up "educated" flesh
• Will more-or-less quote a scriptural phrase or verse when it appears to support their supposition but will conveniently demand "one cannot understand scripture unless [insert some reason that contradicts Matt 7:7-8]" when they feel threatened by someone who "handles scripture aright"
• Quote writings of any particular person with the same honour & worship that the Jews do with the writers of their Talmud, elevating their writings to the same category as God-breathed, canonical Scripture
• Will often use Ad Hominem attacks, or pass dismissive Judgement when challenged
• Deceive others, because they are deceived
• Will often smuggle in a tiny error alongside a lot of Truth, thereby escaping notice; or in other words "a little leaven ... in the whole lump"
• Often work as a team to bully their enemies
• Coerce the weak in faith to support their clique through flattery and/or by labelling & slandering their enemies
• Idolise a person
• Are often bewitched by women

Our Lord warned us to be on guard against such men. And such men ARE here. So be on guard.
Cristo? Is that you?

There is little of what you describe on this forum. Sure there may be the occasion rock under water at the love feast, so to speak, but most of what you describe is just people making small errors from time to time. You do realize that no one is perfect and our fallen condition causes us to do what we ought not occasionally? I've been on forums filled with arrogant jackasses that cut one another to ribbons. It's not a fun place to be and it's NOTHING like it is here.
 
Spanish to English.
Bewitched by women...🤣🤣🤣 Poor little men, so defenseless... that Jehovah has made men unprotected!! Grow up d*mn!!!

Jude1:​

16 These men are murmurers,+ complainers about their lot in life,* proceeding according to their own desires,+ and their mouths speak swelling things,+ while they are admiring personalities*+ for the sake of [their own] benefit.
Sublime texto!! No lo conocía! Que arte tienes eligiendo textos bíblicos,querido!! 😘
 
There are wolves in this flock, and Unspiritual Men who sit in the uppermost "Respectable Seats" within this community

One or more of them:

• Deliberately employ many words & impressive vernacular, and attempt to bamboozle with lengthy prose that is disguised as a spiritual, meek Message of Light yet is laced with ramblings of proud, arrogant, puffed-up "educated" flesh
• Will more-or-less quote a scriptural phrase or verse when it appears to support their supposition but will conveniently demand "one cannot understand scripture unless [insert some reason that contradicts Matt 7:7-8]" when they feel threatened by someone who "handles scripture aright"
• Quote writings of any particular person with the same honour & worship that the Jews do with the writers of their Talmud, elevating their writings to the same category as God-breathed, canonical Scripture
• Will often use Ad Hominem attacks, or pass dismissive Judgement when challenged
• Deceive others, because they are deceived
• Will often smuggle in a tiny error alongside a lot of Truth, thereby escaping notice; or in other words "a little leaven ... in the whole lump"
• Often work as a team to bully their enemies
• Coerce the weak in faith to support their clique through flattery and/or by labelling & slandering their enemies
• Idolise a person
• Are often bewitched by women

Our Lord warned us to be on guard against such men. And such men ARE here. So be on guard.
This is the first time I’ve seen your post, you’ve been on here since 2022. I thought you were new @Outcast. But very interesting comment. Welcome here.
 
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