Oh puh-lease. Then why does the constitution of the USA,inc guarantee us the right to remain silent? If you are in a police station, the smart thing to do is call an attorney. But if wt says call legal, you cry FOUL. I guess in your world we are guilty until proven innocent.
My dear, that is a direct quote from a WT article. If you have an issue with that statement, then you can write headquarters directly about it. I provided the link for the article.
I think the core issue is not whether csa occurs in the org, because it does, just like everywhere else. The key we need to focus on is how the wt handles it. Is is systemic? Is it institutionalized? Is it top down? A case can be made for either side but largely based on speculation.
I grant you that sights like these have contributed to improvements. Litigation also can help. But doesn't this simply verify what we have always known and that is that Jehovah is using imperfect men to accomplish his will. If you think otherwise than you are in effect saying that the devil was right and Jehovah doesn't know how to make his affairs.
The line between speculation and fact is more often than not blurred when it comes to the subject of csa. Those of us on the inside are exposed to different information than those on the outside. More often than not, the casual observer just reads headlines and is not willing to research, but seeks a simple one word answer like a magic charm that will make their problems go away. Just as the saying goes, a lie travels half way around the world before the truth puts its pants on. The wt was blindsided by all this, or if you prefer, they let the ball drop, if then so be it. But where do we go from here?
Speculation- in every case that I have seen a victim contends something like this: 'Elder So and So did nothing to help me' . Okay let's unpack that statement. How are we to analyze it? How are we to test that statement as to its accuracy? How are we to call Elder So and So and cross-examine him. The answer as you all well know is that will never happen. As a consequence we are only left with fertile ground for speculation. Additionally we will never know what efforts that brother made in attempting to right the wrong because, as you prefer to think, the org operates under a veil of secrecy, but I say faithful and discreet. So your opinions on this subject might garner you a free beer at a tea party but they will never hold up in court...deal with it
I think the core issue is not whether csa occurs in the org, because it does, just like everywhere else. The key we need to focus on is how the wt handles it. Is is systemic? Is it institutionalized? Is it top down? A case can be made for either side but largely based on speculation.
How has WT handled it? Before the law suits, by covering it up. After the lawsuits, by handling it the way that that they should have handled it in the first place. I have direct experience with this as do others, so it is not mere "speculation" but first-hand experience. If you deny that, then you are no different than WT denying the abuse allegations.
So, by not dealing with it promptly, yes, it is institutionalized and top down.
But doesn't this simply verify what we have always known and that is that Jehovah is using imperfect men to accomplish his will. If you think otherwise than you are in effect saying that the devil was right and Jehovah doesn't know how to make his affairs.
VERY twisted reasoning here. And, I might add, very "devilish". There is a difference between weakness and wickedness. It's weakness if it's a "one and done" and people apologize when their error is pointed out. This is a long-term repeated behavior that, like Esau, only brought "repentance" when they were caught and forced into change by a $35 million lawsuit. That is not imperfection. Imperfection is when you are chronically late. Imperfection is stuttering. Covering up CSA is not imperfection. It is wicked.
Those of us on the inside are exposed to different information than those on the outside. More often than not, the casual observer just reads headlines and is not willing to research, but seeks a simple one word answer like a magic charm that will make their problems go away. Just as the saying goes, a lie travels half way around the world before the truth puts its pants on. The wt was blindsided by all this, or if you prefer, they let the ball drop, if then so be it.
You make it sound like you have such "insider knowledge". If so, please do share. I'm all ears. However, I have come by way of my knowledge of how things are handled by direct personal experience. I helped "talk down from the ledge" a sister who had a knife to her throat because she was despondent after calling Bethel talking about her abusive father and them telling her that she had to forgive him because Jehovah forgave Manasseh and that is also what her local elders told her. I had to push for her to get justice and finally a district overseer got involved and told the elders to apologize to her and told her father to pay her therapy bills. This was not a "mistake". We got the results we did only because I refused to let the issue go.
As for my sister-in-law, she never got justice and may have lost her life to suicide due to drugs by living on the streets. She, also, was told to forgive her abuser. So I have two first-hand stories. One turned out sorta well and the other didn't.
Speculation- in every case that I have seen a victim contends something like this: 'Elder So and So did nothing to help me' . Okay let's unpack that statement. How are we to analyze it? How are we to test that statement as to its accuracy? How are we to call Elder So and So and cross-examine him. The answer as you all well know is that will never happen. As a consequence we are only left with fertile ground for speculation. Additionally we will never know what efforts that brother made in attempting to right the wrong because, as you prefer to think, the org operates under a veil of secrecy, but I say faithful and discreet. So your opinions on this subject might garner you a free beer at a tea party but they will never hold up in court...deal with it
As I've already shown, I have personal experience with seeing what elders have/have not done to help these women. I find your statements REPULSIVE. Honestly, I am going to ask that you seek professional help. There is a reason that you are in denial about this and find this so triggering. It is clear that you cannot be unbiased and neutral about this and have an agenda to keep your fantasy about WT's innocence in place to protect your own psyche. Having WT be wicked does not negate the Bible or Jehovah since several Israelite kings did equally wicked things and yet Jehovah still save and directed his people.
What Robert is doing is presenting the facts, however ugly they may be, so that people are not stumbled, and can work through Bible study to built up their faith in Jehovah's justice and power to save. It takes a brave person to do what he is doing. Now, I do not idolize Robert nor necessarily agree with him on everything, nor do I get the impression that he wants me to do either.
He is simply being a "watchman" by showing what IS and then showing what Jehovah is doing to do about it and telling the rest of us to prepare our hearts for what's coming so that we are not stumbled or misdirected like the Witnesses were by taking the vaccine.
So, why do you still defend the WT about the direction they gave regarding the vaccine despite your own family members being vaccine injured? This was not a "one-off" mistake; it's happened before.
In the November 22, 1976 AW, there was an article:
In it, they quoted "trusted authorities" saying that the flu vaccine was "safe and effective".
But this is what happened. I want you to watch this 15 minute video:
So, not only did WT not learn its lesson, they repeated it. What really shows the wickedness, is that hundreds, if not thousands, of elders and publishers have written in about these injuries and deaths only to be threatened with disfellowshipping for "causing divisions" or silenced or not responded to. I have direct personal experience with this. It is not mere "speculation". Your explaining this away as "imperfection" is showing just how biased and callous you are being, not to mention DISLOYAL to your own family members. If I was related to you, you would have been cut off permanently by me by now. I would absolutely refuse to speak with you. With "friends" like you, who needs enemies? You are essentially approving of "gang medical rape" by saying that being socially pressured into taking a vaccine by being excluded from the theocratic schools because you are not vaccinated is acceptable policy that is simple "a mistake".
They know about the vaccine injuries and deaths because people have written in to them about it. And yet: SILENCE. That is not innocence.
I think that you are a troll who is here to waste people's time and to get information possibly. I think you enjoy the reactions you are getting here. So I personally, am going to quit feeding you. It is very apparent that you are not a lover of righteousness or justice or that you bear any semblance of reasonableness.
I truly do wish you well and that you get some help as to why you are so triggered if you are indeed sincere. It is clear that this is troubling you inside otherwise you would not be here.
