Lost and confused

I feel like I am repeatedly telling people, I did NOT leave Jehovah, I left the org, all the time.
Me too. I had to convince my husband that my rejecting the organization did not mean I was walking away from Jehovah. I think he's still convinced I'm going to be destroyed at Armageddon. Same with my parents. My mom keeps saying "Don't give up, don't leave Jehovah because you're stumbled" etc. I tell her I'm not leaving Jehovah, my relationship with him is stronger without the meddling of the organization!
A sister just suggested A Crisis Of Conscience to me the other day. You can listen to it on Spotify too.
YES! I found that a few months back & have been listening to it. I seem to be getting more out of the audio version.
Can you suggest a translation that is easy to understand? I'm going to have an entire library of just Bible's haha Going to confess here, I've been having troubles reading the NWT lately because I feel there is so much missing in it.....plus the society published it
@goldie and @Charming Primrose Okay, let me rephrase what I said about the NWT. I shouldn't have said "don't" read it. That's not my place.

For years I used the feature in the JW Library app that allows you to toggle between various translations. I have all the ones they offered downloaded. When I did my Bible reading, I compared all the translations, just for the sake a of a broader perspective. Not on every verse, because I don't have that kind of time, but on the verses that I was interested in, or needed clarification on. I did this years before I woke up. But even then, I noticed very obvious discrepancies compared to most other translations. I even started comparing on bible hub, which offers dozens and dozens of comparisons (interestingly though they don't recognize NWT). There are some glaring mis-translations that were done to fit JW doctrine. We could start a thread discussing them because it's too extensive of a topic and would require a lot of research.

So to sum it up, no - I personally don't trust the NWT. Why? Because I don't trust the GB. Why should I? Can we not agree they are bloodguilty murderers? Sure you can still benefit from it, most of it is great. For me, I'm not content with that. So I compare using Bible Hub to get a well rounded meaning. This is why in a previous thread I had expressed concern that my faith in the Bible translation was shaky. If Satan is the god of this world, he has thoroughly penetrated everything. It's disturbing to me. But I go on, doing my best to make sense of it and try to get the accurate meaning, if possible.

This 2001 Bible that was suggested - this is the first I am hearing of it, and it looks very intriguing. I am definitely going to look into it. Thanks for suggesting @kirmmy
 
Me too. I had to convince my husband that my rejecting the organization did not mean I was walking away from Jehovah. I think he's still convinced I'm going to be destroyed at Armageddon. Same with my parents. My mom keeps saying "Don't give up, don't leave Jehovah because you're stumbled" etc. I tell her I'm not leaving Jehovah, my relationship with him is stronger without the meddling of the organization!

YES! I found that a few months back & have been listening to it. I seem to be getting more out of the audio version.

@goldie and @Charming Primrose Okay, let me rephrase what I said about the NWT. I shouldn't have said "don't" read it. That's not my place.

For years I used the feature in the JW Library app that allows you to toggle between various translations. I have all the ones they offered downloaded. When I did my Bible reading, I compared all the translations, just for the sake a of a broader perspective. Not on every verse, because I don't have that kind of time, but on the verses that I was interested in, or needed clarification on. I did this years before I woke up. But even then, I noticed very obvious discrepancies compared to most other translations. I even started comparing on bible hub, which offers dozens and dozens of comparisons (interestingly though they don't recognize NWT). There are some glaring mis-translations that were done to fit JW doctrine. We could start a thread discussing them because it's too extensive of a topic and would require a lot of research.

So to sum it up, no - I personally don't trust the NWT. Why? Because I don't trust the GB. Why should I? Can we not agree they are bloodguilty murderers? Sure you can still benefit from it, most of it is great. For me, I'm not content with that. So I compare using Bible Hub to get a well rounded meaning. This is why in a previous thread I had expressed concern that my faith in the Bible translation was shaky. If Satan is the god of this world, he has thoroughly penetrated everything. It's disturbing to me. But I go on, doing my best to make sense of it and try to get the accurate meaning, if possible.

This 2001 Bible that was suggested - this is the first I am hearing of it, and it looks very intriguing. I am definitely going to look into it. Thanks for suggesting @kirmmy
Just be careful not to fall into the pitfall where the evangelicals become 1611 KJV onlyists. As much as that Bible has made the greatest impact in the English speaking domain, it also has it's trinitarian bias.
 
I got onto Robert's website/forum in the early days around 2002/2003. I've had difficult moments during all that time.
For now I'm still an active brother in the congregation.
As Robert mentioned it's not always easy to sit and listen when it's all about glorifying the GB but the reason I have been able to stay is mostly because of the friends. I've moved congregations several times and I have contacts in several congregations now and I hope that once all starts to fall down, I will be able to help some friends
 
I got onto Robert's website/forum in the early days around 2002/2003. I've had difficult moments during all that time.
For now I'm still an active brother in the congregation.
As Robert mentioned it's not always easy to sit and listen when it's all about glorifying the GB but the reason I have been able to stay is mostly because of the friends. I've moved congregations several times and I have contacts in several congregations now and I hope that once all starts to fall down, I will be able to help some friends
Just for the record, again. I do not encourage anyone to leave. Not yet. I know it is hard to stick it out but it might help if you have a reason to stay. I think the reason is love for the brothers. Most JWs aren't going to know what hit them when it all comes down. You might be a voice for Jehovah then.

Do Not throw Away Your Freeness of Speech
Definitely! When it all comes crashing down there will be antichrists that will swoop in! Besides the Org playing the part, those stumbled will be prime target for those in Babylon the Great (especially Christendom). We will have to find such ones to lead them to the chosen.

 
Me too. I had to convince my husband that my rejecting the organization did not mean I was walking away from Jehovah. I think he's still convinced I'm going to be destroyed at Armageddon. Same with my parents. My mom keeps saying "Don't give up, don't leave Jehovah because you're stumbled" etc. I tell her I'm not leaving Jehovah, my relationship with him is stronger without the meddling of the organization!

YES! I found that a few months back & have been listening to it. I seem to be getting more out of the audio version.

@goldie and @Charming Primrose Okay, let me rephrase what I said about the NWT. I shouldn't have said "don't" read it. That's not my place.

For years I used the feature in the JW Library app that allows you to toggle between various translations. I have all the ones they offered downloaded. When I did my Bible reading, I compared all the translations, just for the sake a of a broader perspective. Not on every verse, because I don't have that kind of time, but on the verses that I was interested in, or needed clarification on. I did this years before I woke up. But even then, I noticed very obvious discrepancies compared to most other translations. I even started comparing on bible hub, which offers dozens and dozens of comparisons (interestingly though they don't recognize NWT). There are some glaring mis-translations that were done to fit JW doctrine. We could start a thread discussing them because it's too extensive of a topic and would require a lot of research.

So to sum it up, no - I personally don't trust the NWT. Why? Because I don't trust the GB. Why should I? Can we not agree they are bloodguilty murderers? Sure you can still benefit from it, most of it is great. For me, I'm not content with that. So I compare using Bible Hub to get a well rounded meaning. This is why in a previous thread I had expressed concern that my faith in the Bible translation was shaky. If Satan is the god of this world, he has thoroughly penetrated everything. It's disturbing to me. But I go on, doing my best to make sense of it and try to get the accurate meaning, if possible.

This 2001 Bible that was suggested - this is the first I am hearing of it, and it looks very intriguing. I am definitely going to look into it. Thanks for suggesting @kirmmy
I get what your saying & no worries. I've started using other transactions just recently very recently. Funny, but I always felt like i wasn't suppose to use other transactions NWT was it. Then when the app came out & I seen other translations added, well....I was surprised. Should I have been surprised I donno. Just never thought I'd see it. I should clarify that I do occasionally use old study material when I'm looking for something to read. But, just like you I don't have a ton of time , so I look for videos & audio doing personal study. Yes Bible Hub is great too.
 
Doctors Hospitals and religious organizations ALL got money.
Do you have any more information on "Doctors Hospitals and religious organizations ALL got money."
I am doing some research on organisations getting money for promoting the covid-19 injections ("vaccines").
These injections are not saving lives. These fake vaccines are actually killing and injuring alot of people.
 
I get what your saying & no worries. I've started using other transactions just recently very recently. Funny, but I always felt like i wasn't suppose to use other transactions NWT was it. Then when the app came out & I seen other translations added, well....I was surprised. Should I have been surprised I donno. Just never thought I'd see it. I should clarify that I do occasionally use old study material when I'm looking for something to read. But, just like you I don't have a ton of time , so I look for videos & audio doing personal study. Yes Bible Hub is great too.
The jw.org app has other Bible translations on it in addition to NWT. I use other Bible translations on occasion, so I don't feel this is strange. I also like to read the Bible in Italian on the jw.org app to help me my Italian. :)
 
Hey everyone, I was just wondering what the turning point was for each of you when you decided to leave the org? I'm feeling lost and confused wondering if I'm doing the right thing or if it's satan trying to pull me away. The updates woke me up but I still feel like I need concrete proof that the org has gone bad.

Seems to me you're not sure that the org has gone bad. Have you made up your mind that the org's program is full of false teaching? Or are all the teachings supported by scripture? I suspect that the concrete proof that you're looking for will need to come from you. Its not like the evidence presented to you already puts the org in a good light, does it? I suspect you've prayed to Jehovah about it? Sorry I can't help you other than to say that the W/T's use by date has not quite yet arrived.
 
Seems to me you're not sure that the org has gone bad. Have you mp your mind that the org's program is full of false teaching? Or are all the teachings supported by scripture? I suspect that the concrete proof that you're looking for will need to come from you. Its not like the evidence presented to you already puts the org in a good light, does it? I suspect you've prayed to Jehovah about it? Sorry I can't help you other than to say that the W/T's use by date has not quite yet arrived.
Hi DR74minus, I actually posted that almost 3 months ago so it isn't recent, but over the last few months the evidence has mounted...sad to say. I've been a jw for quite some time and i never questioned anything always believing that it was the truth. It’s very hard trying to comprehend that its full of lies and deceit I STILL look for more and more proof to convince me over and over again that its not the truth. I can't explain why.
 
Did the GB get money for promoting the VX? Yes Always follow the money
Hi @coinlady, not disagreeing with this statement, but have been trying to find concrete evidence to show this is true. I've found a few financial statements showing investments in varying businesses, but nothing to show they rec'd money. In general, yes, many religious orgs rec'd money for promoting the vx, but specifically have not found anything showing the WT did, have you or anyone else? Please share links, docs or records, thanks. DM me if you prefer.
 
Just for the record, again. I do not encourage anyone to leave. Not yet. I know it is hard to stick it out but it might help if you have a reason to stay. I think the reason is love for the brothers. Most JWs aren't going to know what hit them when it all comes down. You might be a voice for Jehovah then.

Do Not throw Away Your Freeness of Speech
I can appreciate @Watchman 's statement above and have seen a video or two where you state you actually support jw's to stay in (correct me if wrong). Being in a foreign lang, typically enjoy the mtgs and feel encouraged; perhaps it's the lang + culture differences that makes it more enjoyable. The ministry is a different story. In the past it was great, because of the cultural aspects of the people we reach out to. They are very hospitable and overall quite friendly. They generally invite you in, listen and typically are welcoming. Nonetheless, the aspect of telling them to blindly obey the GB as Jah's direct channel has created frustration and discouragement. If a jw is unwilling to follow the GB vx direction, how can they tell others to do so? If a jw doesn't follow all of the GB's direction, do they doubt them as Jah's direct channel? That would be a part of disciple-making ministry objective, to tell the bible-student to follow the GB's full direction? :unsure:😬
 
Hi DR74minus, I actually posted that almost 3 months ago so it isn't recent, but over the last few months the evidence has mounted...sad to say. I've been a jw for quite some time and i never questioned anything always believing that it was the truth. It’s very hard trying to comprehend that its full of lies and deceit I STILL look for more and more proof to convince me over and over again that its not the truth. I can't explain why.

There is no question in my mind that Jehovah's witnesses have the truth. But the bible makes it clear to me at least that Jehovah "lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they come to believe the lie." 1 Thes 2:1 - 12. You need to decide whether to hang in there or not. I have not jumped ship as yet but I'm wary of what I listen to and to check if it is from God or men. I'm still trying to work out how I can reach more of our friends still in there.
 
I find that there are so many people out there that need to know about Jehovah and Jesus and the organized preaching work is the most important place to be. Jehovah's sovreignty is still the issue regardless of if the Kingdom came in 1912, 1914, 1934 or sometime in the future. People still need to ready themselves for it regardless if it came already or is coming in the future. We used to very dogmatically say that resurrected ones wouldn't remarry. I think most thinking people never really believed that, they just quietly put up with it. I think that is what some of us have to do currently with certain topics.
 
Hey everyone, I was just wondering what the turning point was for each of you when you decided to leave the org? I'm feeling lost and confused wondering if I'm doing the right thing or if it's satan trying to pull me away. The updates woke me up but I still feel like I need concrete proof that the org has gone bad.
For me, the final straw was Update #10 of 2021 and how the GB was implying that all “good Christians” will take the covid vaxx. The beginning of end for me was this letter that had been shared with me, written in response to a sister who had legitimate concerns about the covid vaccines. The third page is the most repulsive 🤮 When I first saw this letter, I was not sure whether the GB had really issued such a disgusting letter and so I wrote a response assuming that this letter was not actually from the GB and I waited for the GB to make a more clear and decisive public announcement regarding the vaxx. It was almost 2 years before I got the confirmation I was seeking in the GB Update #10. It wasn’t 2 years from the letter pictured below but it was 2 years into the covid scam of which I had concerns regarding the response by the organization since March of 2020 when they stopped all in person activities and did everything via Zoom and I saw the fearporn being pushed by our “leaders” and saw the very real fear of those brothers and sisters who were completely convinced covid was the most deadly plague ever. After that Update came out, I wrote another letter in response to the Update, this one far more judgmental and full of wrath. In that second letter, I demanded that I no longer be counted as one of “Jehovah’s Witnesses”. I also printed nearly 700 pages of documentation proving the covid vaxx was dangerous, including medical journals, Fauci’s emails, a few news articles and even patents for the technology used in the vaxx. I made a package and included both of my letters and all my documentation and sent it to the main office via certified mail. They received it and a few weeks later I received confirmation of my request being granted via text message. I hope you can make your decision soon one way or another. Don’t be caught sitting on the fence on such an important issue. Love and blessings to you! May Jehovah give you the courage you need to continue walking in His path. 🥰💝❤️🙏💕

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For me it was the first spin on "this generation" in October of 1995 that started my WT declining awareness. But that was not nearly enough at the time, but it got the ball rolling for me. After a couple of new-light adjustments to "this generation", I was getting very disturbed. They had it wrong about 1914 and could not or refused to admit it!

By 2003 I was about to chuck it all. I became what I thought was desperate, desperate enough to do a Google search for apostate sites in the hopes of getting some answers. Thankfully the first site I found was Robert's and immediately I felt better. I learned I could stumble somewhat but not have to do anything too drastic as I could stumble more toward the loving arms of Jehovah and Jesus. So I stayed a PIMO for 18 years (@Jah-son) until Driven's eyes were opened during the updates last summer. We have together made our stand clear and have stopped our association with the Org but not formally dis-associated or DF'd. Just a solid fade if you will. We are not advocating this for anyone else as each one has to abide by their own individual consciences and pain thresholds.

It is a combo of the child abuse cover ups, the alliances with the United Nations along with the handling of the "vaccine" situation that are at the root of our decisions to never trust the GB again. Yes the org has gone bad and the prophecies show us that would happen. The prophecies also show us that organizational repentance is not going to happen, only repentance by individuals is possible. Jehovah and Jesus will judge accordingly. Our relationship is with them, not the org anyway, so adios Watchtower, the writing is on the wall. One of the main reasons many of the vile "ex-JW" community turn atheists is because they never had a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus to begin with. When their organizational ship sunk in their eyes, so did any semblance of faith. If the org is deemed good or bad it does not matter, because our relationship is with Jehovah and Jesus. I find that ultimately comforting!

I hope that helps Goldie!
That directly mirrors my experience and thinking. Although I’m still ZIMO.
 
Thanks for posting the letter @DoubleThink333, just read it. Noticed the multiple mention of it being a personal decision. :confused: They basically discredit the VAERS data. They don't address any other data that proves the safety and effectiveness of the vax. They actually open up a loophole by saying "the updates did not recommend any particular vaccine" thereby, couldn't anyone reply, "yes, I'm vaxxed", as probably all of us are, just not with the cvd v@x. Wouldn't be lying, just not saying what particular vax I have had. The way this letter is written and the wording used is slanted into convincing you, you should take it and follow how we've evaluated the situation. They've only given reasons that favor why you should get the shots, nothing showing any down-side. As with any medical treatment, meds, etc. there are always contraindications, side-effects or risks... where are those mentioned in the letter? Completely absent. When faced with any decision, even simple ones like what to eat for breakfast, there are always pros and cons, but in this letter, I fail to see any cons 🤷‍♂️.
 
That letter is unreal!

Regarding vx using aborted cell lines.. "What factors would a Christian need to consider when deciding whether to accept such a vx..?"

They are using semantics to avoid the entire issue that abortions are always deliberate, regardless of whether they were done with the intention for research.

The WT is moving quickly now towards New Age.
 
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