My Conversation with an Elder

Ms_ladyblue

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I have to admit that the article Robert posted yesterday, The Governing Body Knows No Shame, really hit me hard and prompted me to send my service overseer elder this text message. My comments are in the green box…If you don’t mind, share with me your thoughts, even if you don’t agree.
 

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I'm only able to see what I think is the elders text in response to yours, I'm not seeing what you messaged him.
 
I have to admit that the article Robert posted yesterday, The Governing Body Knows No Shame, really hit me hard and prompted me to send my service overseer elder this text message. My comments are in the green box…If you don’t mind, share with me your thoughts, even if you don’t agree.
Do these people who are supposed to be showing the way forward , and should be shepherding Jehovah`s sheep not think that a woman is capable of speaking for herself ? Why do they think a man is writing , or showing you what to write ? I think that is what needs to be investigated . Are they implying that a woman is not capable of deep thought ?
 
I'm only able to see what I think is the elders text in response to yours, I'm not seeing what you messaged him.
Thankyou I'm seeing all your texts now. I believe they want to meet with you to DF you. I wouldn't pursue this conversation unless you are ready for it to end that way. They are not at all receptive to the real truth about the organization.
 
What is this with elders citing 3 scriptures for you to read-with no explanation on how they are applying them? I got the same type of reply from one of the elders when I sent them an email about why I would not consider taking the Covid mRNA shots. One of the scriptures they quickly sent back was Romans 13:1?! I had no idea why they would even send that to me! There was no law in the United States for anyone to be vaccinated! And when I replied to the email, I got no further explanation. It’s like the elders are just told a script to follow and they do it without thinking for themselves. It’s really heartbreaking and sad!😔
 
What is this with elders citing 3 scriptures for you to read-with no explanation on how they are applying them? I got the same type of reply from one of the elders when I sent them an email about why I would not consider taking the Covid mRNA shots. One of the scriptures they quickly sent back was Romans 13:1?! I had no idea why they would even send that to me! There was no law in the United States for anyone to be vaccinated! And when I replied to the email, I got no further explanation. It’s like the elders are just told a script to follow and they do it without thinking for themselves. It’s really heartbreaking and sad!😔
Exactly! Their mentality is, ‘I’ll comply to you oh leader, GB…my idol.’
 
Thankyou I'm seeing all your texts now. I believe they want to meet with you to DF you. I wouldn't pursue this conversation unless you are ready for it to end that way. They are not at all receptive to the real truth about the organization.
I know, no I won’t pursue this any further. There’s nothing more I have to say. I said my peace.
If they should contact me again I’ll just say thanks, I’m doing fine. And leave it at that.

They don’t contact me until my son-in-law tattled on me as well as the sister who’s never been active and is spiritually weak. I never thought she’d rat on me…but she did. There’s no trust anywhere in the organization.
 
These men are not interested in having a conversation with you. They are there for one purpose, to bring you back into alignment per the instructions they have received from the society. Its not about whats right and wrong, its about keeping your mouth shut, staying in line and remaining silent all for the sake of the precious unity. According to them its not your job to understand anything, just reamin silent and follow orders.

Reasoning with men like that is futile. Your time would be better spent watching paint dry on a wall.
 
These men are not interested in having a conversation with you. They are there for one purpose, to bring you back into alignment per the instructions they have received from the society. Its not about whats right and wrong, its about keeping your mouth shut, staying in line and remaining silent all for the sake of the precious unity. According to them its not your job to understand anything, just reamin silent and follow orders.

Reasoning with men like that is futile. Your time would be better spent watching paint dry on a wall.
Yes, I realize that and I really don’t care anymore. I did not dedicate myself to these men to do their will. I give Jehovah exclusive devotion.
I know longer work for this corporation.
 
Thank you Robert…maybe they’ll have me on the chopping block real soon…who knows….
You tagged them on idolatry. They automatically assumed you had a problem with Jehovah since, in their minds, Jehovah and the Watchtower come in a boxed set. You can't have a problem with the organization and not have a problem with Jehovah. Hence, they betrayed their idolatrous mindset. That would be like the Jews assuming Jeremiah, or one of the prophets, had a problem with Jehovah since they spoke against Israel and Jehovah was the God of Israel. Dumb. :rolleyes:
 
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Me refiero a la conversación si sentido que te han ofrecido, por si no se me entiende. El modo lanzamiento de textos automático caracteristico,vamos!
Y dicho esto querida mía, me parece que no te quieren contestar a menos que te reúnas. Estás en zona muerta, por decirlo de alguna manera. Piensan que no hablas por tu boca y es hasta irónico los textos usados, solo que en ved de decir que la resurrección ha empezado para ellos ha empezado el reino de Jesús. Podrías hasta invertir todo lo que te dicen. Todo lo que digas será usado en tu contra. El nivel de idolatria les ciega absolutamente. No van a razonar, te dicen ven ven que te vamos a dar candela, pero con cariño, eh? Pobrecitos...
 
If you don’t mind, share with me your thoughts, even if you don’t agree.
Sounds as if you're having a tough go of it, Ms_ladyblue, but, no doubt about it, you're holding your own. Jerry just read Watchman's comment about changing your name to Lady Firecat and gave a thumbs up. He thinks you are extremely courageous. BTW, Jerry and I both thought the things you communicated to the elders in your texts were excellent. However, we're concerned that their ultimate goal in meeting with you is to establish grounds for a judicial hearing with the goal of disfellowshipping. With that said, if you are prepared for that outcome, we understand your need to expose them for what they are as well as the WT/GB. It also gives you the opportunity for you to take a stand for truth. But, ultimately, you are the only one that can make that decision. It appears your resolve is to not meet with them in person and that seems to be a wise decision. (Phyllis)
 
Sounds as if you're having a tough go of it, Ms_ladyblue, but, no doubt about it, you're holding your own. Jerry just read Watchman's comment about changing your name to Lady Firecat and gave a thumbs up. He thinks you are extremely courageous. BTW, Jerry and I both thought the things you communicated to the elders in your texts were excellent. However, we're concerned that their ultimate goal in meeting with you is to establish grounds for a judicial hearing with the goal of disfellowshipping. With that said, if you are prepared for that outcome, we understand your need to expose them for what they are as well as the WT/GB. It also gives you the opportunity for you to take a stand for truth. But, ultimately, you are the only one that can make that decision. It appears your resolve is to not meet with them in person and that seems to be a wise decision. (Phyllis)
I messaged Ms Ladyblue and wrote the exact same thing . They are not trying to help her , unless that means helping her out the door .
 
Me refiero a la conversación si sentido que te han ofrecido, por si no se me entiende. El modo lanzamiento de textos automático caracteristico,vamos!
Y dicho esto querida mía, me parece que no te quieren contestar a menos que te reúnas. Estás en zona muerta, por decirlo de alguna manera. Piensan que no hablas por tu boca y es hasta irónico los textos usados, solo que en ved de decir que la resurrección ha empezado para ellos ha empezado el reino de Jesús. Podrías hasta invertir todo lo que te dicen. Todo lo que digas será usado en tu contra. El nivel de idolatria les ciega absolutamente. No van a razonar, te dicen ven ven que te vamos a dar candela, pero con cariño, eh? Pobrecitos...
Translation: I am referring to the conversation if I feel they have offered you, in case I am not understood. The automatic text release mode characterises, let's go!

And having said this, my dear, it seems to me that they don't want to answer you unless you get together. You are in a dead zone, so to speak. They think that you do not speak by your mouth and the texts used are even ironic, only that in the way of saying that the resurrection has begun for them the kingdom of Jesus has begun. You could even invest everything they tell you. Everything you say will be used against you. The level of idolatry absolutely blinds them. They're not going to reason, they tell you come come and we're going to give you a candle, but with love, eh? Poor people...
 
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