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[kenmuldoon55]

a JW couple live next to me- i ran into the husband about a month or so ago and we chatted in his driveway- he wanted to invite me in for coffee with him and his wife but he had to know if i was vaccinated first. I refused to answer. He said a similar thing to me after i pointed out that the covid vaccines were killing people- he said he didn’t care if he died, that getting vaxxed was the loving thing to do- love of neighbor and all that- of course i didn’t see it. Now when i see him outside i just cross the street. I don’t do crazy very well.

So many brainwashed people out there taking vaxes that are harmful, wearing masks that don’t work.
The line between sane and insane is getting clearer by the day.

 

[PJ54]

I don't know if its true but I read somewhere that the whole Ramapo thing was one huge mistake. That was supposed to be the new headquarters, but they changed their minds and decided on Walkill but then couldn't back out of the Ramapo deal and got stuck with it. BTW, I don't listen to Lloyd Evans as he's a true apostate and athiest and you see where it's gotten him, he's a very confused man.
Anyway, sorry Spicy, this is off topic here.

Well that does seem to be the mentality of the average atheist. It's like Robert said:

It is a fallacy to claim the GB is the faithful and discreet slave. By claiming to be such the GB are declaring themselves righteous. That ain't good. The proper, scriptural view, is that the master appointed a slave to do a specific task. Whether or not they are faithful in carrying out the assignment is not for the slave to determine. Only the master can make that judgment, which is what he will do when he comes at an hour they do not think likely.

So don't lose faith regardless @SpicySpice !

 

[SpicySpice]

I'm an unbaptized publisher who left the organization, and a loving instructor. I realized I don't need the WT to keep me on the straight and narrow path, my Bible trained conscience does that for me. I feel closer to Jehovah now than I ever did while under the thumb of the WT. When I left it was as if a tremendous weight had been lifted. I felt so watched, judged and pressured to conform. I hated the pressure, but my love for Jehovah, Jesus and the Truth kept me going back. Once I realized the truth about the WT's false teachings I knew I could never go back. I wouldn't lie, nor could I keep my mouth shut when I heard lies... thus I could never get baptized by the organization. I also knew I couldn't just go to some random church and get baptized, as it would mean nothing, so I did it myself. There's going to be a lot of people in need of baptism once the WT falls. We must all be ready to perform this sacred duty during humanity's darkest hour. I'm waiting for my sons and others to dedicate their lives to Jehovah and ask to be baptized.

Carl, your comment has really given me lots of hope. Thank you. I felt the same as you. My teacher had been with me through a lot, and she and I were very close. She told me to always speak to her from my heart in everything. To lose her is very difficult.
But on the subject of baptism...My other thread I had made about getting baptized, I was still trying to just grit my teeth and get through, even though there were many things that bothered my conscience, like you I cannot stand lies, and I have a hard time staying quiet about it. But nowadays in the Zoom meeting era the feeling started to become unbearable, even for my husband (his mom started studying when he was just a toddler he was raised a witness) We had such a hard time sitting through service meetings and listening to everyone be soooo scared of omicron and "we had to go get a covid test" and "we don't know if its covid but I bought a lot of hand sanitizer (insert forced laughter)" "people just refuse to wear a mask I don't understand it" yadda yadda. I was telling my husband I don't know how much more of this I can stand. In comes the GB to stoke the flames. I told him, "I have to get baptized into this??" He said "what else is there?" But after lots of prayer, and discussion, we reached a decision: My husband agreed to baptize me. My dad has a pool. He said if I give him some time to spiritually prepare himself he will do it. He said he will even prepare a talk for me LOL. But after a lot of consideration. This is what we will do. My family (not Witnesses, but awake, unvaxxed and they believe in God and Jesus nonetheless) will be in attendance and will be our audience.

 

[Ireneo]

Carl, your comment has really given me lots of hope. Thank you. I felt the same as you. My teacher had been with me through a lot, and she and I were very close. She told me to always speak to her from my heart in everything. To lose her is very difficult.
But on the subject of baptism...My other thread I had made about getting baptized, I was still trying to just grit my teeth and get through, even though there were many things that bothered my conscience, like you I cannot stand lies, and I have a hard time staying quiet about it. But nowadays in the Zoom meeting era the feeling started to become unbearable, even for my husband (his mom started studying when he was just a toddler he was raised a witness) We had such a hard time sitting through service meetings and listening to everyone be soooo scared of omicron and "we had to go get a covid test" and "we don't know if its covid but I bought a lot of hand sanitizer (insert forced laughter)" "people just refuse to wear a mask I don't understand it" yadda yadda. I was telling my husband I don't know how much more of this I can stand. In comes the GB to stoke the flames. I told him, "I have to get baptized into this??" He said "what else is there?" But after lots of prayer, and discussion, we reached a decision: My husband agreed to baptize me. My dad has a pool. He said if I give him some time to spiritually prepare himself he will do it. He said he will even prepare a talk for me LOL. But after a lot of consideration. This is what we will do. My family (not Witnesses, but awake, unvaxxed and they believe in God and Jesus nonetheless) will be in attendance and will be our audience.

hi spicyspice
must have been hard
We feel appreciation for the brothers and when they do not understand they break our hearts
They are good but they are deceived
A few months ago a friend of my wife after the second dose swore to Jehovah that she would not be vaccinated again
had serious effects
Yesterday I called my wife crying and told her that after report 10 she took a third dose
SHe broke her oath for the report 10
can anyone deny that there is idolatry?
I congratulate you for being sincere and honest, you have made a good decision to be baptized

 

[Carl]

This is what we will do. My family (not Witnesses, but awake, unvaxxed and they believe in God and Jesus nonetheless) will be in attendance and will be our audience.

That's awesome! You're fortunate to have so much support. This will be an incredible witness to your family as well.

 

[יהוה_saves]

There's something weird with the Org as if the GB when they talk look like they have a firing squad aimed at them. Wouldn't surprised if this was the case. Here's a thread on Ramapo. About Ramapo

i noticed that too. their voices are really shaky and you can see they are not comfortable. Something is not right. not the usual not right, something different is not right.

 

[SusanB]

Today my teacher came back with the rebuttal to my doubts about the GB, their neutrality, and intruding on consciences of other Christians. She said they are the faithful and discreet slave, so we submit to their authority because they were selected by Jesus. After a bit of back and forth I basically had to tell her I no longer trusted them, and wasn't sure if they were really the faithful slave, were they possibly the latter part of that scripture, the bad slave that beats his charges? And the Bible's many admonitions to never put your trust in men? What about that? (She was glad I had read the "Do You Trust In Jehovah's Way of Doing Things article but was surprised to learn my point of view on it..) I told her I felt deep down that something was very very wrong with the direction the organization was heading, I felt arrested at this point...I cannot progress while they keep pumping out these horrendous updates and pretend like everything is fine. (I also cannot continue because she said this must be addressed before I can make any progress which is true but there is nothing anyone can say that can convince me that the organization has not apostatized, I cannot sit through that) We both cried. I told her I wasn't doing this because I hated the org, or because I didn't appreciate all the things she had helped me learn, but because I felt like Jehovah was telling me to get out. One of the last things I told her before I could no longer speak was, Jehovah requires exclusive devotion. She agreed. She said she loved me, she told me to never stop praying.
Ugh.

Dear SpicySpice, Just remember 2 Timothy 3:12: “In fact, all those desiring to live with godly devotion in association with Christ Jesus will also be persecuted.“ and John 15:20: “Keep in mind the word I said to you: A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have observed my word, they will also observe yours.“ and Acts 5:41:”So they went out from before the Sanʹhe·drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name.“

Your good example will be remembered by her when the appropriate time comes. She may have been used by Jehovah to teach you the truth of the bible, but it is Jehovah’s spirit that makes the seed grow in your heart and your love of the TRUTH.

 

[SusanB]

I don't know if its true but I read somewhere that the whole Ramapo thing was one huge mistake. That was supposed to be the new headquarters, but they changed their minds and decided on Walkill but then couldn't back out of the Ramapo deal and got stuck with it. BTW, I don't listen to Lloyd Evans as he's a true apostate and athiest and you see where it's gotten him, he's a very confused man.
Anyway, sorry Spicy, this is off topic here.

Well I refuse to comment on the Ramapo thread because it is just a one-sided slander. There is enough real and honest complaints to be made against the GB without using lies and ridiculousness. We should always tell the truth and the videos posted on that thread are just slander.

 

[SusanB]

I'm an unbaptized publisher who left the organization, and a loving instructor. I realized I don't need the WT to keep me on the straight and narrow path, my Bible trained conscience does that for me. I feel closer to Jehovah now than I ever did while under the thumb of the WT. When I left it was as if a tremendous weight had been lifted. I felt so watched, judged and pressured to conform. I hated the pressure, but my love for Jehovah, Jesus and the Truth kept me going back. Once I realized the truth about the WT's false teachings I knew I could never go back. I wouldn't lie, nor could I keep my mouth shut when I heard lies... thus I could never get baptized by the organization. I also knew I couldn't just go to some random church and get baptized, as it would mean nothing, so I did it myself. There's going to be a lot of people in need of baptism once the WT falls. We must all be ready to perform this sacred duty during humanity's darkest hour. I'm waiting for my sons and others to dedicate their lives to Jehovah and ask to be baptized.

What a wonderful glimpse into your character Brother Carl. Thank you and you’re awesome.

 

[SusanB]

Ugh, I know how hard this must be but that was fearless. There is something very sinister happening to the Org, I don’t even recognize it anymore and it’s sad. A dear friend told me that she would take poison if the GB told her to and if she died, she would be awarded an automatic resurrection bc of her loyalty to them. If she told that to anyone outside the Org, they’d think she was in a suicidal cult and have her committed to a psych ward. Many have become followers of men and are willing to blindly obey the GB’s every whim and that’s a serious sin against Jehovah. A number have already left the Org bc of this mess and it’s probably just a matter of time before we all need to make that choice. Stay strong and keep praying and relying on Jehovah bc you can certainly continue serving him and most importantly with a clean conscience.

1 Tim 1:5 - Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy.

We heard in the meeting last evening that in our congregation the Elders are now calling each publisher once a week and they are asking them to cooperate by answering the phone! Very Weird.

 

[SusanB]

It is a fallacy to claim the GB is the faithful and discreet slave. By claiming to be such the GB are declaring themselves righteous. That ain't good. The proper, scriptural view, is that the master appointed a slave to do a specific task. Whether or not they are faithful in carrying out the assignment is not for the slave to determine. Only the master can make that judgment, which is what he will do when he comes at an hour they do not think likely.

I was told by a pioneer sister that by me saying that it appeared that the GB is becoming the evil slave, I was judging them and only Jesus can judge them when he comes. I actually agree with that but the flip side is that they also cannot say they are the faithful slave because the same principle would apply. Nevertheless, the bible does train us to identify wrong doing and what they have done has created blood guilt and more.

 

[SusanB]

Thank you for telling me. I didn't know about Ramapo. It's hard to know what to believe anymore. Are you talking about Lloyd Evans thread? I don't listen to him. And he's having some issues of his own. He's an athiest as well as a self described "reluctant apostate".

The thread isn’t really even about Ramapo, it’s just a slander against Morris and Lett. Lett apparently is 1/2 owner in a piece of real estate and they are insinuating that violates his vow of poverty. We don’t know the whole situation and it could just be estate planning but who cares? It’s not even a large property. Anyway, I’d like to get the 10 minutes of life back that I spent watching that bologna.

 

[SusanB]

Thank you for telling me. I didn't know about Ramapo. I read it somewhere and shouldn't have repeated it. I'm sorry. It's hard to know what to believe anymore. Are you talking about Lloyd Evans thread? I don't listen to him. And he's having some issues of his own. He's an athiest as well as a self described "reluctant apostate".

I think it was a thread that said “About Ramapo” but it had 2 videos of Lloyd Evans, who is just a stooge for Satan. Anyway, I did listen just to see what he said and it was drivel.

 

[יהוה_saves]

Lloyd Evans, who is just a stooge for Satan

he’s a totally stooge for Satan- i agree. He left his channel recently- he said and i quote “my life is not working. . . “. Poor guy i hope he’s ok. i kinda got the feeling that his marriage is suffering but i don’t know.

 

[SusanB]

he’s a totally stooge for Satan- i agree. He left his channel recently- he said and i quote “my life is not working. . . “. Poor guy i hope he’s ok. i kinda got the feeling that his marriage is suffering but i don’t know.

And he doesn’t want you to speculate even though I would guess he indulges in a lot of speculation himself.

 

[Medi-tator]

We feel appreciation for the brothers and when they do not understand they break our hearts
They are good but they are deceived

Awesome words Ireneo! I need to learn how to replace my frustration (that is a watered down word for what I really feel which is angst) when the brothers make unknowingly idolatrous comments at the meetings like one elder and one publisher did last night. They both praised "the organization and the governing body" for the way the Covid 19 pandemic has been handled. I felt upset by their comments but what I really need to feel is 'broken hearted' as you so kindly stated. I guess it is back to more praying, and more praying and even more praying for me LOL. While the world appears to be waking up to the grave travesties of this "vaccine" thing, the GB and our friends are still "wondering admiringly" at the whole mess. Now off I go to pray so I can change my attitude, again.

 

[יהוה_saves]

And he doesn’t want you to speculate even though I would guess he indulges in a lot of speculation himself.

yeah i saw that too- i thot that was inconsiderate. he compared his viewers to the JW gossip chain. Is that really what he thinks of his own viewers? Of course they’re going to want to know what happened- especially his patreons. i was on one of his live streams one time and saw folks making $100-dollar super chats. and he walks away with no explanation.

 

[PJ54]

The thread isn’t really even about Ramapo, it’s just a slander against Morris and Lett. Lett apparently is 1/2 owner in a piece of real estate and they are insinuating that violates his vow of poverty. We don’t know the whole situation and it could just be estate planning but who cares? It’s not even a large property. Anyway, I’d like to get the 10 minutes of life back that I spent watching that bologna.

Well, I posted it to show the body language of Morris. Lett shows a similar behavior. Lloyd isn't really my concern. It's just he's the one who finds these things & makes it easier to see it. Sorry about it though.

 

[PJ54]

You mean the link posted by PJ54 on this forum of Lloyd Evans? I clicked on it and saw it was Lloyd Evans and didn't watch it. I wish people wouldn't post links for athiests and apostates on this forum. Lloyd Evans is both. That makes him a tool that Satan can use. We are not athiests or apostates or Satan worshippers. We're Christians.

Is there any other vloggers to use instead of Lloyd Evans? Even if it's on another video platform. I don't wish to upset people in the process but I'd like to be able to get the videos on here for commentary from the community if possible.

 

[יהוה_saves]

Is there any other vloggers to use instead of Lloyd Evans? Even if it's on another video platform. I don't wish to upset people in the process but I'd like to be able to get the videos on here for commentary from the community if possible.

there’s a slew of them. Kim and Mikey focus on the civil law suits, i wouldn’t recommend Watchtower Examined, perhaps EXJW Critical Thinker or JW Thoughts, or Marcus Vaughn.