PHARMAKIA

BillyRay

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From the article: “Pharmacy mainly uses a mixture of toxic chemicals, metals, and/or synthetic elements to produce “pharmaceuticals” that are designed to manipulate the biochemistry or metabolic functions of the body in an attempt to get a “desired” affect in the treatment of a disease or sickness. In other words, pharmacy mixes up different types of poison, package it, patent it, and claims that it can treat certain types of diseases.”

The gist of this article seems to be that any and all pharmaceutical drugs are harmful and poisonous. In addition, that there’s a conspiracy behind every drug to inflict harm on those who take them. (I exempt the Covid vaccine from this discussion as I believe that to be on its own evil ground. So I speak only about prescription drugs)

This article ignores the fact that many drugs are concocted from organic sources - plants, trees, animals, etc… Some include chemicals which also have at their root, naturally occurring substances.

Now, this next opinion may reflect my natural tendency to dismiss “all or nothing” propositions - such as found in this article - But there are many people who benefit greatly from MANY different prescription drugs. Thus, to say that every drug is poison, designed to kill you, by the devil, is ridiculous in my opinion.

In addition, prescription drugs have advanced the practice of medicine, which has in turn, increased life spans. Do you know anybody who has has been taken from deaths door, and then added 20+ years to their life through an organ transplant? I do. The drugs required to make this happen are many. Without them, this person never see’s their child get married or meets their grandchildren.

The article also states: “Pharmaceutical drugs never cure disease – they only try to manage it by inhibiting or manipulating a function in the body that is supposed to happen naturally.

They make a statement that drugs don’t cure diseases - then they essentially say that they help the body cure diseases on its own.

There are many examples I could give to refute their argument that drugs don’t cure disease - but let’s talk about two. First, the simple antibiotic. Before antibiotics were invented, any tiny cut could result in sepsis and death. Now days? That tiny cut is nothing but an inconvenience. Antibiotic ointment and a bandage prevent such fatal outcomes. And if they don’t? Oral or intravenous antibiotics are given to prevent death. They don’t cure all…. But they cure the vast majority. Oh!!! Antibiotics (Penicillin) was originally made with a natural fungus - and most today are enhanced versions.

Secondly, the Epi-Pen. Some who are stung by bees, wasps, or hornets have an allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Without immediate medical intervention they will die. Shoot the medicine into your thigh, and you have a 98% chance of surviving.

Lastly, the article offers this advice. “This systematic poisoning is of Babylon and God’s people need to get out. We need to learn natures way of healing that God approves of through lifestyle and plant-based eating and herbs.”

Sure…. Eating a healthy diet is important, and can stave off illness - or at least delay it. But in our imperfect state, we have issues that have been passed on to us genetically. Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol, Depression, are just a few of these. There are drugs available to help with all of these. Or? If you listen to that article - don’t take them because they are poison or evil, and then suffer an early heart attack or stroke, or live in the darkness of depression.

People will yell “but they have side effects!” Yes, for some, there are side effects. Most are quite minor and manageable. But like much of life in this system, there are trade offs. You choose what you can live with.

Drugs will not be needed in the new system. And thank Jehovah for that prospect. But in this system, many are needed and beneficial.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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From the article: “Pharmacy mainly uses a mixture of toxic chemicals, metals, and/or synthetic elements to produce “pharmaceuticals” that are designed to manipulate the biochemistry or metabolic functions of the body in an attempt to get a “desired” affect in the treatment of a disease or sickness. In other words, pharmacy mixes up different types of poison, package it, patent it, and claims that it can treat certain types of diseases.”

The gist of this article seems to be that any and all pharmaceutical drugs are harmful and poisonous. In addition, that there’s a conspiracy behind every drug to inflict harm on those who take them. (I exempt the Covid vaccine from this discussion as I believe that to be on its own evil ground. So I speak only about prescription drugs)

This article ignores the fact that many drugs are concocted from organic sources - plants, trees, animals, etc… Some include chemicals which also have at their root, naturally occurring substances.

Now, this next opinion may reflect my natural tendency to dismiss “all or nothing” propositions - such as found in this article - But there are many people who benefit greatly from MANY different prescription drugs. Thus, to say that every drug is poison, designed to kill you, by the devil, is ridiculous in my opinion.

In addition, prescription drugs have advanced the practice of medicine, which has in turn, increased life spans. Do you know anybody who has has been taken from deaths door, and then added 20+ years to their life through an organ transplant? I do. The drugs required to make this happen are many. Without them, this person never see’s their child get married or meets their grandchildren.

The article also states: “Pharmaceutical drugs never cure disease – they only try to manage it by inhibiting or manipulating a function in the body that is supposed to happen naturally.

They make a statement that drugs don’t cure diseases - then they essentially say that they help the body cure diseases on its own.

There are many examples I could give to refute their argument that drugs don’t cure disease - but let’s talk about two. First, the simple antibiotic. Before antibiotics were invented, any tiny cut could result in sepsis and death. Now days? That tiny cut is nothing but an inconvenience. Antibiotic ointment and a bandage prevent such fatal outcomes. And if they don’t? Oral or intravenous antibiotics are given to prevent death. They don’t cure all…. But they cure the vast majority. Oh!!! Antibiotics (Penicillin) was originally made with a natural fungus - and most today are enhanced versions.

Secondly, the Epi-Pen. Some who are stung by bees, wasps, or hornets have an allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Without immediate medical intervention they will die. Shoot the medicine into your thigh, and you have a 98% chance of surviving.

Lastly, the article offers this advice. “This systematic poisoning is of Babylon and God’s people need to get out. We need to learn natures way of healing that God approves of through lifestyle and plant-based eating and herbs.”

Sure…. Eating a healthy diet is important, and can stave off illness - or at least delay it. But in our imperfect state, we have issues that have been passed on to us genetically. Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol, Depression, are just a few of these. There are drugs available to help with all of these. Or? If you listen to that article - don’t take them because they are poison or evil, and then suffer an early heart attack or stroke, or live in the darkness of depression.

People will yell “but they have side effects!” Yes, for some, there are side effects. Most are quite minor and manageable. But like much of life in this system, there are trade offs. You choose what you can live with.

Drugs will not be needed in the new system. And thank Jehovah for that prospect. But in this system, many are needed and beneficial.
I agree with much of your assessment of this article and can appreciate you’re pointing out some of the points you stated. However, there is a lot of information out there that’s very credible to the contrary but I choose not to debate on this forum.

In my opinion it seems as though in our modern day and time most people have turned science into a religion There is still much that we don’t know about the human body and how it functions, but from what I‘ve observed and experienced myself, I do know one thing is for certain…the human body is a miracle of life.
 

BillyRay

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I agree with much of your assessment of this article and can appreciate you’re pointing out some of the points you stated. However, there is a lot of information out there that’s very credible to the contrary but I choose not to debate on this forum.

In my opinion it seems as though in our modern day and time most people have turned science into a religion There is still much that we don’t know about the human body and how it functions, but from what I‘ve observed and experienced myself, I do know one thing is for certain…the human body is a miracle of life.
I know you don’t want to debate, which is fine. It’s probably why you posted the same thread twice.

Truthfully, I don’t know how there can be any opposing viewpoint to the facts. Without many drugs, people will die needlessly. End of story. There’s NO debating that.

I have to admit that since I’ve joined this site, I’ve come across a level of crack-pottery the likes I’ve never seen before. (Not referring to you at all)

Some of the articles out there are just plain nuts. Many here see a conspiracy behind every tree. That’s OK. Maybe they’ll be proven right some day. But to suggest that all prescriptions are evil and occultist, and “they” are trying to poison us…. And that people should stop taking prescriptions - life saving prescriptions - and eat a good diet and take herbs instead, could bring blood guilt upon them if someone were to take them up on their advice and suffer a bad outcome.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I know you don’t want to debate, which is fine. It’s probably why you posted the same thread twice.

Truthfully, I don’t know how there can be any opposing viewpoint to the facts. Without many drugs, people will die needlessly. End of story. There’s NO debating that.

I have to admit that since I’ve joined this site, I’ve come across a level of crack-pottery the likes I’ve never seen before. (Not referring to you at all)

Some of the articles out there are just plain nuts. Many here see a conspiracy behind every tree. That’s OK. Maybe they’ll be proven right some day. But to suggest that all prescriptions are evil and occultist, and “they” are trying to poison us…. And that people should stop taking prescriptions - life saving prescriptions - and eat a good diet and take herbs instead, could bring blood guilt upon them if someone were to take them up on their advice and suffer a bad outcome.

@BillyRay

Lol…You sound a lot like my cousin who’s an EMT Nurse and a JW. And I did say that I agreed with you about certain things you said. But I’m cool with how you feel… I don’t think that posting this article and my few remarks are going to cause even a few to stop taking their meds…Let’s just agree to disagree, ok?

Btw, I posted the same thread twice by accident. For some reason it wouldn’t let me delete the other one. 😬
 
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Carl

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I choose not to debate on this forum
I find debating this topic to be pointless, as people have their minds made up. That said, there's always the 3rd party observing the debate who can learn a thing or two.
I have to admit that since I’ve joined this site, I’ve come across a level of crack-pottery the likes I’ve never seen before. (Not referring to you at all)
I can't help but feel this comment was partially directed at me due to my comment on the parallel thread "Pharmakeia." I don't appreciate insults, but I won't respond in kind. I will ask you though, where's your love? Are you a Christian or not? The fact is most internal infections can be cured with colloidal silver or chlorine dioxide, and external infections respond well to raw honey... but since penicillin is natural, I have no issues with it and its natural derivatives, as long as they remain naturally derived. Don't get me started on the applications of vinegar. I just cured my mother's melanoma using oregano oil, as well as using it to cure a spot on my arm... and my sister, who's a RN, is using it on her own skin lesions. My other sister, also a RN, has successfully gotten off of all medications by using herbs, vitamins and minerals. Asthma can be treated with eucalyptus oil, while many mental disorders can be cured using a whole variety of herbs and other supplements. 98% of all cancers are curable. I have chronic kidney disease, but I've been able to reverse it by changing my diet. 12 years ago I was on 8 medications, and was about to go on 2 more, until I started looking into alternatives. Now I take no meds, and feel much better than I did then.

I find that most people are lazy, and would rather take a pill than discontinue their unhealthy lifestyle choices. I know for a fact that diseases like HTN and Type II DM are curable by diet and lifestyle changes. As for Type I DM, that's another story, and I have no problem with insulin, since it's a naturally occurring substance that science simply duplicates. I'm a very black and white person Biblically. Either Satan is or he is not in charge of this system, which includes the medical system... that said, not all who work inside the system are controlled by Satan. Trauma medicine is one example of positive medicine I support. I follow Jesus command to be no part of Satan's world. I made my stand, and I'm living with it.
 

BillyRay

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@BillyRay

Lol…You sound a lot like my cousin who’s an EMT Nurse and a JW. And I did say that I agreed with you about certain things you said. But I’m cool with how you feel… I don’t think that posting this article and my few remarks are going to cause even a few to stop taking their meds…Let’s just agree to disagree, ok?

Btw, I posted the same thread twice by accident. For some reason it wouldn’t let me delete the other one. 😬
I’m terribly sorry Jgremillion83. I was not referring to you at all when speaking about blood guilt. I was talking about the writers of the article. Again, I apologize. I should have been more clear.
 

BillyRay

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I find debating this topic to be pointless, as people have their minds made up. That said, there's always the 3rd party observing the debate who can learn a thing or two.

I can't help but feel this comment was partially directed at me due to my comment on the parallel thread "Pharmakeia." I don't appreciate insults, but I won't respond in kind. I will ask you though, where's your love? Are you a Christian or not? The fact is most internal infections can be cured with colloidal silver or chlorine dioxide, and external infections respond well to raw honey... but since penicillin is natural, I have no issues with it and its natural derivatives, as long as they remain naturally derived. Don't get me started on the applications of vinegar. I just cured my mother's melanoma using oregano oil, as well as using it to cure a spot on my arm... and my sister, who's a RN, is using it on her own skin lesions. My other sister, also a RN, has successfully gotten off of all medications by using herbs, vitamins and minerals. Asthma can be treated with eucalyptus oil, while many mental disorders can be cured using a whole variety of herbs and other supplements. 98% of all cancers are curable. I have chronic kidney disease, but I've been able to reverse it by changing my diet. 12 years ago I was on 8 medications, and was about to go on 2 more, until I started looking into alternatives. Now I take no meds, and feel much better than I did then.

I find that most people are lazy, and would rather take a pill than discontinue their unhealthy lifestyle choices. I know for a fact that diseases like HTN and Type II DM are curable by diet and lifestyle changes. As for Type I DM, that's another story, and I have no problem with insulin, since it's a naturally occurring substance that science simply duplicates. I'm a very black and white person Biblically. Either Satan is or he is not in charge of this system, which includes the medical system... that said, not all who work inside the system are controlled by Satan. Trauma medicine is one example of positive medicine I support. I follow Jesus command to be no part of Satan's world. I made my stand, and I'm living with it.
I’m very sorry Carl. Let me promise you - my comment was not directed at you, nor was it in response to your comment - which I haven’t even read. I was speaking about some links / posts I’ve seen on this board in general - including the article posted in this thread and some others of dubious sources that I’ve seen on this board.

Look…. I have thick skin. So I have no problem with standing behind my comments when I make them. If I had read your comment, and disagreed with it, I’d just say so. But that’s not the case.

I will rarely insult/attack/dismiss a persons opinion, nor will I question one’s Christianity, unless I’ve been attacked, or unless meaning has been erroneously ascribed to comments I’ve made. (People ascribing their own viewpoint to my comments as fact - when I meant something completely different.) Then yes, I won’t back down. But that’s not the case here with either you or Jgremillion83.

Look. You believe as you choose. If certain natural remedies work for you? That’s wonderful. However, those examples I gave about drugs helping people live, survive, and thrive are first had accounts of things I’ve seen.

*I’ve actually seen an EpiPen save a life. (Mine - twice).
*I’ve actually seen anti-rejection drugs give another 20 years to a man’s life after a transplant - a personal friend.
*I’ve actually seen IV antibiotics save a life - my fleshly brother from bacterial meningitis.
*I’ve actually seen Narcan save a life - of a woman visiting an abuse center located in my office building.

So I’m sorry. I cannot support an article that prescribes evil, occultist, motives to all drugs - claiming that there’s a secret motive to poison everyone - as the article seemed to do.

Do I agree that big pharma is greedy and uses questionable, unethical, and yes - sometimes evil - motivations in order to profit? Absolutely! But to not take a drug because they are all part of a plot? To do so would seem be throwing the baby out with the bath water to me.

I’m amenable to different viewpoints, and I respect yours. But I don’t see this as a black or white choice / all or nothing situation. Thanks see gray. A lot of gray.
 

Carl

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I’m amenable to different viewpoints, and I respect yours. But I don’t see this as a black or white choice / all or nothing situation. Thanks see gray. A lot of gray.
I appreciate your reply BillyRay. My mom's also on anti-rejection meds after receiving a kidney 10 years ago. I have the same disease, but I decided against ever doing the same. I have the type of personality that takes immediate action when hearing a warning. Had I been alive to hear Jesus' warn about Jerusalem's destruction, I would have pulled up my family and left ASAP. Knowing what I do about medications, I've become very negative about most... especially mood altering meds. Most of them calcify our pineal gland, which I'm convinced dulls our ability to discern spiritual situations by negatively impacting our connection to Jehovah via His Holy Spirit. I could be wrong, but it's what I believe based on extensive research. I'm OK with EpiPens since they're like insulin. As for my mom's decision to accept another person's kidney... I don't judge her, but I won't do the same. Maybe I'm weird, but I'd rather die than take the chance at offending Jehovah. This topic is pretty tough to discuss because it's not so clear cut.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I’m terribly sorry Jgremillion83. I was not referring to you at all when speaking about blood guilt. I was talking about the writers of the article. Again, I apologize. I should have been more clear.
@BillyRay

No worries, it’s all good. 😃

I only posted the article because of the history behind the Greek word, pharmakia that appears in the Bible at Galatians 5:20 and Revelation 18:23. Terms from the same root word appear in Revelation 9:21, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 22:15. These are typically translated into English as “sorcery” “witchcraft” or “sorcerer.” There are several websites about pharmakia and the history behind it. Ancient Greek uses of pharmakia closely mirror the generic modern English word drugs; the same Greek root word produced English terms such as pharmacy and pharmacist.

Modern use of the word sorcery evokes images of supernatural power and spells; Biblical use of pharmakia doesn’t fit well with such ideas. Rather, the term suggests various forms of drug abuse. Those might include drug use in pagan worship, as an addiction, or as a poison used to manipulate and control others.
Now don’t get the wrong idea, I’m not saying that everyone that takes prescription medicine is practicing pagan worship, I’m just stating the historical facts behind this practice that’s mentioned a few times in the Bible and it’s connection to sorcery and spiritism.

One of the things that got me interested in looking into this…years ago we had an Awake article 1/8/86 pg. 20-21. This was not long after I quit smoking in 1982. In 1986 this article interested me because it pointed out that nicotine is a drug and the use of is unclean, which I very much agree with.

In the Bible such pharmacy is put in very bad company — “the works of the flesh” whose practicers “will not inherit God’s kingdom.”
Due to the magical use of drugs in Bible times, Galatians 5:20,21 translates pharmakia as “practice of spiritism.” The Kingdom Interlinear shows “druggery” as the literal meaning. Another translation uses “poisoning.”

But now one question that came to my mind was how do you differentiate which drug falls into this category? Ok, they say that drugs that alter the mind and cigarettes are bad but pain killers and such are ok?
Granted, I’m not going to dwell on this because I think that in time we will learn more about this. Also read @Jah-son’s first post in the other thread.

The last part of verse 23, in Revelation chapter 18 says “and by your spiritistic practices ALL the nations were misled.”
Notice that the judgement is on Babylon the Great, not necessarily on those who were misled.
Now I may be totally wrong about this, but it gave me food for thought. And I wouldn’t mind seeing anyone’s thoughts on this.

We all good Billy Ray?
 

יהוה_saves

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i thought this article was fascinating. Big Pharma push drugs on the population constantly- i remember when the pharma companies came out with ADHD drugs for kids- all of a sudden 4 in ten kids had ADHD. My son’s first grade teacher pulled me aside and she said she suspected he was ADHD and would benefit from one of these drugs and i told her thanks but NO THANKS. (now these teachers are diagnosing psychiatric disorders???) My sister’s son’s teacher pulled her aside too and my sister opted to go with it and her child, now an adult, has suffered a lasting impact of these nasty drugs.

fast forward to ~ 2010 when Big Pharma developed gender transitioning drugs- now all of a sudden we have kids who are gender disordered, and we’re letting men in the girl’s restrooms and lockerroom, men competing in girls sports. It’s demonic.

Don’t even get me started on opiates. I’ll just says this- last year +100,000 people died from prescription opiate overdose.

Today they push drugs that alter human’s very DNA calling them vaccines. We know these are NOT vaccines. At Davos they’re speaking of developing drugs to “hack the human animal”.

We don’t need ANY these drugs- with proper eating and proper lifestyle the vast majority, perhaps all of these drugs are not needed. The three Hebrews that feasted on vegetables and water proved this.

There is no ailment that can’t be vastly improved or eliminated all together by proper eating and proper lifestyle. Mankind existed without drugs for millennia.

These drugs are directly connected to spiritistic practices and it would be expected to see a rise in them correspondent to a rise in demonic activity as we approach Jehovah’s day.

Great article.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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i thought this article was fascinating. Big Pharma push drugs on the population constantly- i remember when the pharma companies came out with ADHD drugs for kids- all of a sudden 4 in ten kids had ADHD. My son’s first grade teacher pulled me aside and she said she suspected he was ADHD and would benefit from one of these drugs and i told her thanks but NO THANKS. (now these teachers are diagnosing psychiatric disorders???) My sister’s son’s teacher pulled her aside too and my sister opted to go with it and her child, now an adult, has suffered a lasting impact of these nasty drugs.

fast forward to ~ 2010 when Big Pharma developed gender transitioning drugs- now all of a sudden we have kids who are gender disordered, and we’re letting men in the girl’s restrooms and lockerroom, men competing in girls sports. It’s demonic.

Don’t even get me started on opiates. I’ll just says this- last year +100,000 people died from prescription opiate overdose.

Today they push drugs that alter human’s very DNA calling them vaccines. We know these are NOT vaccines. At Davos they’re speaking of developing drugs to “hack the human animal”.

We don’t need ANY these drugs- with proper eating and proper lifestyle the vast majority, perhaps all of these drugs are not needed. The three Hebrews that feasted on vegetables and water proved this.

There is no ailment that can’t be vastly improved or eliminated all together by proper eating and proper lifestyle. Mankind existed without drugs for millennia.

These drugs are directly connected to spiritistic practices and it would be expected to see a rise in them correspondent to a rise in demonic activity as we approach Jehovah’s day.

Great article.

@Asadour

Think about this too…even though most drugs don’t alter your mind, however most alter your body chemistry and studies show that if we take drugs ( prescription or other) over time they will have an effect on us in some way.
 

יהוה_saves

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i agrée.
@Asadour

Think about this too…even though most drugs don’t alter your mind, however most alter your body chemistry and studies show that if we take drugs ( prescription or other) over time they will have an effect on us in some way.
could there be a connection to serotonin re-uptake inhibitors and suicides, homicides and other social diseases? Yes there could- even after said drugs are stopped. These drugs are evil.
 

BillyRay

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@BillyRay

No worries, it’s all good. 😃

I only posted the article because of the history behind the Greek word, pharmakia that appears in the Bible at Galatians 5:20 and Revelation 18:23. Terms from the same root word appear in Revelation 9:21, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 22:15. These are typically translated into English as “sorcery” “witchcraft” or “sorcerer.” There are several websites about pharmakia and the history behind it. Ancient Greek uses of pharmakia closely mirror the generic modern English word drugs; the same Greek root word produced English terms such as pharmacy and pharmacist.

Modern use of the word sorcery evokes images of supernatural power and spells; Biblical use of pharmakia doesn’t fit well with such ideas. Rather, the term suggests various forms of drug abuse. Those might include drug use in pagan worship, as an addiction, or as a poison used to manipulate and control others.
Now don’t get the wrong idea, I’m not saying that everyone that takes prescription medicine is practicing pagan worship, I’m just stating the historical facts behind this practice that’s mentioned a few times in the Bible and it’s connection to sorcery and spiritism.

One of the things that got me interested in looking into this…years ago we had an Awake article 1/8/86 pg. 20-21. This was not long after I quit smoking in 1982. In 1986 this article interested me because it pointed out that nicotine is a drug and the use of is unclean, which I very much agree with.

In the Bible such pharmacy is put in very bad company — “the works of the flesh” whose practicers “will not inherit God’s kingdom.”
Due to the magical use of drugs in Bible times, Galatians 5:20,21 translates pharmakia as “practice of spiritism.” The Kingdom Interlinear shows “druggery” as the literal meaning. Another translation uses “poisoning.”

But now one question that came to my mind was how do you differentiate which drug falls into this category? Ok, they say that drugs that alter the mind and cigarettes are bad but pain killers and such are ok?
Granted, I’m not going to dwell on this because I think that in time we will learn more about this. Also read @Jah-son’s first post in the other thread.

The last part of verse 23, in Revelation chapter 18 says “and by your spiritistic practices ALL the nations were misled.”
Notice that the judgement is on Babylon the Great, not necessarily on those who were misled.
Now I may be totally wrong about this, but it gave me food for thought. And I wouldn’t mind seeing anyone’s thoughts on this.

We all good Billy Ray?
Of course we are good. We always were. 😊
I’d like to answer a couple of your questions - at least offer my thinking. You never know? If we’re open to it, what we could learn.
 
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BillyRay

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We don’t need ANY these drugs- with proper eating and proper lifestyle the vast majority, perhaps all of these drugs are not needed. The three Hebrews that feasted on vegetables and water proved this.

There is no ailment that can’t be vastly improved or eliminated all together by proper eating and proper lifestyle. Mankind existed without drugs for millennia.
I’m pretty sure that the four examples I gave in my earlier post clearly displayed the lifesaving benefits of some drugs. You write: We don’t need “ANY” of them? 😵‍💫

Then, you wrote: There is no ailment that can’t be vastly improved or eliminated by proper eating or lifestyle choice?” I’m sorry. That statement is 100% false! But, think of the relief that parents whose children are riddled with cancer will feel, when they hear that their cancer will be improved or eliminated by proper eating and lifestyle choices. 😵‍💫

Also, you’re 100% right. Mankind existed without drugs for a millennia. Living to a ripe old age of 40! From the 1500’s to the late 1800’s the average life expectancy went from 30 in the early part, to as high as 45 years old in the latter. In the late 1800’s the graph slowly climbs up, more steeply as the years passed. Today, depending on where you live, the average is 78-80 years old. What caused the dramatic extension in life expectancy? The introduction of prescription drugs and the improvement in medical care and technology.

Comments such as these need to be called out. People are entitled to their own opinions. They are not entitled to their own facts.
 

BillyRay

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I appreciate your reply BillyRay. My mom's also on anti-rejection meds after receiving a kidney 10 years ago. I have the same disease, but I decided against ever doing the same. I have the type of personality that takes immediate action when hearing a warning. Had I been alive to hear Jesus' warn about Jerusalem's destruction, I would have pulled up my family and left ASAP. Knowing what I do about medications, I've become very negative about most... especially mood altering meds. Most of them calcify our pineal gland, which I'm convinced dulls our ability to discern spiritual situations by negatively impacting our connection to Jehovah via His Holy Spirit. I could be wrong, but it's what I believe based on extensive research. I'm OK with EpiPens since they're like insulin. As for my mom's decision to accept another person's kidney... I don't judge her, but I won't do the same. Maybe I'm weird, but I'd rather die than take the chance at offending Jehovah. This topic is pretty tough to discuss because it's not so clear cut.
I respect your choice Carl. I do. It wouldn’t be the one I make for myself, but ultimately it’s up to each of us to choose for ourselves.

I know that there are harmful drugs. Sometimes people have to decide what’s worse - the disease or the treatment. Your conscience is your guide. Just as it is for me.

As for warnings, and acting on them, it’s prudent to consider where the warning is coming from, right? Who is giving you the warning? Jehovah’s prophet? Yup! I’m all in. The Bible? Yup! Some dude on the internet I’ve never heard of? Pump the brakes!

I’m grateful to have had this exchange with you today, Carl. I’ve learned about you as a person, and what you hold dear on this topic. Thank you for sharing that with me.
 

Carl

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But, think of the relief that parents whose children are riddled with cancer will feel, when they hear that their cancer will be improved or eliminated by proper eating and lifestyle choices.
Dr. Max Gerson cured cancer using organic foods and was murdered, as was the US Congressman who entered the Proteolytic Enzyme Therapy into the 1946 Congressional Record. Cancer is curable in most cased by changing the diet and treating with organic coffee enemas, apricot seeds and eight to ten 16 ounce glasses of fresh organic carrot juice. There are other cures as well, such as Rick Simpson oil and other natural treatments. The problem is that when people, especially parents, hear the "C" word, they shut down and place all their faith in the people wearing the white lab coats. Doctors have been elevated to godlike status thanks to propaganda.
Also, you’re 100% right. Mankind existed without drugs for a millennia. Living to a ripe old age of 40! From the 1500’s to the late 1800’s the average life expectancy went from 30 in the early part, to as high as 45 years old in the latter. In the late 1800’s the graph slowly climbs up, more steeply as the years passed. Today, depending on where you live, the average is 78-80 years old. What caused the dramatic extension in life expectancy? The introduction of prescription drugs and the improvement in medical care and technology.
I believe we've been lied to about life expectancy back then, but I can't prove it. When you take out all the childhood/child labor deaths, as well as people living in crowded cites with inadequate hygiene, people lived a long time. i.e. those who lived on the farms and worked for a living. They grew, hunted and raised their food... and before the industrial age of pollution, everything was organic. I really do believe our history books are filled with lies. Rockefeller funded the Americans Historical Society, which went on to produce most of the "trusted sources" we look to for information. He's one of Satan's minions, so I don't trust anything that man and his ilk have created.
 

4JahandChrist

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Dr. Max Gerson cured cancer using organic foods and was murdered, as was the US Congressman who entered the Proteolytic Enzyme Therapy into the 1946 Congressional Record. Cancer is curable in most cased by changing the diet and treating with organic coffee enemas, apricot seeds and eight to ten 16 ounce glasses of fresh organic carrot juice. There are other cures as well, such as Rick Simpson oil and other natural treatments. The problem is that when people, especially parents, hear the "C" word, they shut down and place all their faith in the people wearing the white lab coats. Doctors have been elevated to godlike status thanks to propaganda.

I believe we've been lied to about life expectancy back then, but I can't prove it. When you take out all the childhood/child labor deaths, as well as people living in crowded cites with inadequate hygiene, people lived a long time. i.e. those who lived on the farms and worked for a living. They grew, hunted and raised their food... and before the industrial age of pollution, everything was organic. I really do believe our history books are filled with lies. Rockefeller funded the Americans Historical Society, which went on to produce most of the "trusted sources" we look to for information. He's one of Satan's minions, so I don't trust anything that man and his ilk have created.
"Average Age" can be somewhat misleading when taken through the lens of infant mortality. According to some sources the infant mortality rate was 1 in 4 during the 19th Century. If those figures are anywhere near correct then the average age would be highly distorted.

If you take a walk through a 19th Century graveyard there does seem to be quite a number of children buried there. Then there seems to be quiet a gap til folks hit their 60's. Perhaps that is suggestive of if a person made it through Childhood they tended to live to a decent age.

It's my conjecture that our life expectancy has been falling for some time. I know so many people who have dropped off the Perch in their 40's and 50's. It's very hard to say what the life expectancy of my generation will be (Gen X) since we haven't grown old and died yet so how can we calculate the average?
 
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