Saturday, Feb 3 - To the effect that the day of the Lord is here

Watchman

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He sent his angel and presented [the revelation] in signs.—Rev. 1:1.

In the book of Revelation, God’s enemies are described symbolically. We see a number of wild beasts. For example, there is “a wild beast ascending out of the sea.” It has “ten horns and seven heads.” (Rev. 13:1) That beast is followed by “another wild beast ascending out of the earth.” That beast speaks like a dragon and makes “fire come down out of heaven.” (Rev. 13:11-13) Then we see a different beast, “a scarlet-colored wild beast,” which is being ridden by a prostitute. These three wild beasts represent long-standing enemies of Jehovah God and his Kingdom. Therefore, it is important that we identify them. (Rev. 17:1, 3) We need to understand what this symbolic language means. The key to understanding it is to allow the Bible to explain itself. Many of the symbols found in Revelation are already explained in other books of the Bible. w22.05 8-9 ¶3-4
It has been 150 years since C.T. Russell organized his Alleghany Bible Study group. In the century and a half since then millions of hours have been spent reading, studying, and meditating on the Scriptures, Revelation included. Despite all the research on the part of even spirit-anointed Christians, Jehovah's Witnesses still do not understand the book of Revelation. Indeed, they cannot understand it. Of course, the Governing Body pretends to know and everyone pretends that they do too. The reason Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand Revelation is because of a fundamental error that is at the core of the Watchtower Society. Actually, it is not really an error. An error is a mistake. The problem afflicting the Watchtower is a result of an intentional act of deception, not necessarily on the part of any individual human, but it is the foretold machinations of the wicked one, the Devil himself.

The Watchtower is under the influence of an operation of Satan. Paul explicitly warned Christians not to believe official sounding announcements and literature distributed as if from the apostles, declaring that the parousia has begun and the day of Jehovah is here. But there is more.

As is known, the YHWH does not appear in any extant Greek manuscript. Although it is highly unlikely that the original writers of the Christian scriptures omitted the YHWH when quoting from the Hebrew text where the Tetragrammaton appears, and it is unthinkable that Jesus would not pronounce his Father's name when he quoted from the Hebrew or Greek Septuagint, as he did on numerous occasions, we cannot dogmatically say with certainty that Paul and the other writers used the YHWH when not directly citing the Hebrew. And that brings up an interesting issue because the passage I alluded to uses the name of Jehovah but Paul was not directly quoting any Hebrew scripture. Here is the passage: "However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here." - 2 Thessalonians 2:1,2

It is true, that there are many references in the Hebrew text to the day of Jehovah and similar expressions like "Jehovah's day." However, there is no indication Paul was quoting any specific passage. The Greek, of course, simply says "the day of the Lord." Paul also referred to "the day of the Lord" at 1 Corinthians 5:5. He also used variations of the expression such as "the day of our Lord Jesus Christ" and "the day of Christ Jesus" and "the day of Christ." Last, but not least, John referred to "the Lord's day" in the introduction to Revelation.

All things considered, it is apparent that the inspired apostle intended to warn his brothers not to be deceived by official-sounding proclamations that the day of the Lord has begun, or Lord's day as it is worded in Revelation. And that is why Jehovah's Witnesses cannot understand Revelation for the reason that the Watchtower's inspired statement has declared that the Lord's day is here, having begun in 1914. That this teaching is the operation of Satan ought to be clear since Paul connected this false proclamation that the Lord's day is here to the apostasy fomented by the man of lawlessness. (By the way, the Watchtower used to teach that the day of Jehovah began in 1914. It wasn't until around 1966 that they dropped it.)

Just a quick note to highlight the deception and trickery used to support the lie that the Lord's day has begun I now direct you to the Watchtower article from where the daily text is derived, entitled: Revelation—What It Means for God’s Enemies. The opening paragraph states:
THE book of Revelation reveals that God’s heavenly Kingdom has been established and that Satan has been expelled from heaven. (Rev. 12:1-9) That expulsion brings relief to the heavens, but it creates challenges for us. Why? Because Satan’s anger is focused on those who faithfully serve Jehovah here on earth.
The book of Revelation does not reveal that God's heavenly Kingdom has been established and that Satan has been thrown down. That's a simple card trick that no clear-thinking JW should fall for. To illustrate their deceit, I will make a similar statement: "The book of Revelation indicates that Satan the Devil has been hurled into the abyss and locked away for 1,000 years." Hopefully, you can see the trickery employed. Yes, the book of Revelation reveals that when the Kingdom comes to power Satan and his angels will be cast down. No, it does not reveal that this epic event has already taken place. How could it?

The Watchtower has resorted to all sorts of tricks and hijinks to make 1914 the beginning of the Lord's day. Over the years I have painstakingly examined the Watchtower's tangled mess of prophetic interpretation and debunked all of it. Although some may also do the same since it is more or less a matter of common sense, my work is unique in that I have shown that the falsity of 1914 does not prove the Watchtower is not Jehovah's organization, as advertised; no, just the opposite. It proves that it is!


 
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Ana

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Si quieres crear un cortocircuito en la mente de cualquier publicador, pídeles que te expliquen el galimatías numérico que les lleva a 1914 cómo fecha de la entronización de Jesús. Sus caras los dicen todo y eso es muy significativo. Proceso de caras: 😳...🤔...😵‍💫...😅...🤯...mejor te lees el libro Apocalipsis se acerca si culminación(respuesta habitual).
 

Watchman

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As a follow-up to the parenthetical statement above that the WT used to teach that the day of Jehovah began in 1914, here is a quote from the July 1, 1960, Watchtower (paragraph 2). Regardless of whether Paul originally wrote the day of the Lord or the day of Jehovah, please note that the WT specifically said that the day of Jehovah is here. Jehovah's foresight is truly amazing, is it not?
What day is drawing near? Not the general “day of Jehovah,” for it is here, having begun in 1914. Rather, it is the special day of Jehovah for his vindication
 

J&P

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From the auxilliary article above "The Unfinished Mystery of God": Interesting questions to consider.

"Consider the fact that in 1914 the International Bible Students were laboring under the impression that the presence of Christ had begun in 1874. It would be ten more years before the Watchtower Society would adjust their numbers. But if Christ really returned in 1914 and the sacred secret of God was then complete would it not be reasonable to expect that God’s servants would have been enlightened as to his presence when it first began and not a decade later? Also in 1914 the great crowd had not even begun to form as an identifiable group. It would be 21 years after 1914 before the Watchtower Society correctly explained what the great crowd is that is destined to come out of the great tribulation. But again, how could the mystery of God have been complete in 1914 if Christians were still ignorant of vital aspects of the divine purpose? What is the purpose of a revelation and unveiling if those on the earth who claim to be God’s servants remain in an unenlightened state after the supposed apocalypse of Christ?"

Talk about being dumbed-down.
When is the last time the WT has delved into prophecy that, in any way, compares to what is considered on this this forum.
The sad part is the R&F, for the most part, are content with getting their information from the pages of the WT rather than from the Bible.:confused:
 

Bk Kevin

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From the auxilliary article above "The Unfinished Mystery of God": Interesting questions to consider.

"Consider the fact that in 1914 the International Bible Students were laboring under the impression that the presence of Christ had begun in 1874. It would be ten more years before the Watchtower Society would adjust their numbers. But if Christ really returned in 1914 and the sacred secret of God was then complete would it not be reasonable to expect that God’s servants would have been enlightened as to his presence when it first began and not a decade later? Also in 1914 the great crowd had not even begun to form as an identifiable group. It would be 21 years after 1914 before the Watchtower Society correctly explained what the great crowd is that is destined to come out of the great tribulation. But again, how could the mystery of God have been complete in 1914 if Christians were still ignorant of vital aspects of the divine purpose? What is the purpose of a revelation and unveiling if those on the earth who claim to be God’s servants remain in an unenlightened state after the supposed apocalypse of Christ?"

Talk about being dumbed-down.
When is the last time the WT has delved into prophecy that, in any way, compares to what is considered on this this forum.
The sad part is the R&F, for the most part, are content with getting their information from the pages of the WT rather than from the Bible.:confused:

The Watchtower tract Society is apparently still drinking the milk.​

Hebrews 5:12

12 For, indeed, although YOU ought to be teachersa in view of the time, YOU again need someone to teach YOU from the beginning the elementary thingsb of the sacred pronouncements of God;c and YOU have become such as need milk, not solid food.*d

Hebrews 5:14

14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers*a trained* to distinguish both right and wrong.b

1 Corinthians3:​

10 According to the undeserved kindness+ of God that was given to me, as a wise director of works I laid a foundation,+ but someone else [Watchtower] is building on it. But let each one keep watching how he is building on it.+ 11 For no man can lay any other foundation+ than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.+ 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood materials, hay, stubble, 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire;+ and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is. 14 If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains,+ he will receive a reward;+ 15 if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved;+ yet, if so, [it will be] as through fire.+
 

Watchman

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Talk about being dumbed-down. When is the last time the WT has delved into prophecy that, in any way, compares to what is considered on this this forum.
The sad part is the R&F, for the most part, are content with getting their information from the pages of the WT rather than from the Bible.:confused:
We can hardly expect the WT to explain how it has been instrumental in fulfilling prophecy by fabricating and announcing a false parousia. But it will become obvious soon.
 

Watchman

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Claiming Jesus came in 1914 serves one purpose only and that is to claim they were appointed in 1919. Without that claim of 1919 would there be a Watchtower today?
Sure there would. There does not have to be a specific date when Jesus appointed a slave to feed his domestics. 1914 is just a tarball they stepped in and have been trying to justify ever since by various means, one of which is the idea that Jesus appointed a slave then. But the precise year is irrelevant. Jesus said he would judge his slaves when he unexpectedly arrived. It does not matter when the slave was originally appointed. Besides, none of those now serving on the Governing Body who claim to be faithful and discreet were alive in 1919 anyway.
 

Paul H

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the Watchtower Society's messy prophetic patchwork/ quilt. The reason why they cant understand prophecy.

prophetic quilt profetische lappendeken van het Wachttorengenootschap Watchtower prophetic.jpeg
 

Frank D

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"Consider the fact that in 1914 the International Bible Students were laboring under the impression that the presence of Christ had begun in 1874.
It has been 150 years since C.T. Russell organized his Alleghany Bible Study group.

The Watchtower is under the influence of an operation of Satan.
Paul explicitly warned Christians not to believe official sounding announcements and literature distributed as if from the apostles, declaring that the parousia has begun and the day of Jehovah is here.

According to that, the operation of Satan has been present since the start of the Watchtower.
Why did Jesus appoint them to feed his domestics?

There does not have to be a specific date when Jesus appointed a slave to feed his domestics.

If there is no Scriptural connection to show when Jesus appointed them, how do you know he did?
Even they themselves know they have to use the Bible to show they were appointed, hence the lie about 1919.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Si quieres crear un cortocircuito en la mente de cualquier publicador, pídeles que te expliquen el galimatías numérico que les lleva a 1914 cómo fecha de la entronización de Jesús. Sus caras los dicen todo y eso es muy significativo. Proceso de caras: 😳...🤔...😵‍💫...😅...🤯...mejor te lees el libro Apocalipsis se acerca si culminación(respuesta habitual).
Translation: If you want to create a short circuit in the mind of any publisher, ask them to explain the numerical gibberish that takes them to 1914 as the date of the enthronement of Jesus. Their faces say everything and that is very significant. Face process: 😳... 🤔... 😵‍💫... 😅... 🤯... you better read the book Apocalypse is approaching if culmination (usual answer).
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Si quieres crear un cortocircuito en la mente de cualquier publicador, pídeles que te expliquen el galimatías numérico que les lleva a 1914 cómo fecha de la entronización de Jesús. Sus caras los dicen todo y eso es muy significativo. Proceso de caras: 😳...🤔...😵‍💫...😅...🤯...mejor te lees el libro Apocalipsis se acerca si culminación(respuesta habitual).
…Or either “go to jw dot org to find the answer.” 😟
 

Nomex

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Well they did figure out that Brothers can wear beards without getting shunned. Lol...
Just the number of brothers that now have beards, I think is one of the biggest and worst indication that they do not follow the Bible, the Christ or Jehovah, because now they have permission from their overlords, yet none of them think twice about it. I have had a beard now for about 3 years, and when I run into a brother like I did this week, who now has a beard, all I can think of is how pathetic he really is! And it never dawns on them that they each individually answer to God, and it's obedience to God and not men that Jehovah requires! But like I keep saying, the GB just continue to prove almost daily that "it does not belong to the Governing Body, who is walking even to direct his step"...or are they not men?
 

SusanB

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The Watchtower tract Society is apparently still drinking the milk.​

Hebrews 5:12

12 For, indeed, although YOU ought to be teachersa in view of the time, YOU again need someone to teach YOU from the beginning the elementary thingsb of the sacred pronouncements of God;c and YOU have become such as need milk, not solid food.*d

Hebrews 5:14

14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers*a trained* to distinguish both right and wrong.b

1 Corinthians3:​

10 According to the undeserved kindness+ of God that was given to me, as a wise director of works I laid a foundation,+ but someone else [Watchtower] is building on it. But let each one keep watching how he is building on it.+ 11 For no man can lay any other foundation+ than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.+ 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood materials, hay, stubble, 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the day will show it up, because it will be revealed by means of fire;+ and the fire itself will prove what sort of work each one’s is. 14 If anyone’s work that he has built on it remains,+ he will receive a reward;+ 15 if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved;+ yet, if so, [it will be] as through fire.+
In fact the brothers and sisters in the ORG are regressing not progressing. Much like a building on a faulty foundation, the cracks are showing. Perhaps this is a good time to remind everyone of this website where brothers and sisters are writing their experiences since COVID and in regards to vaccine injuries but I think their description of the condition of the congregations is worth noting. There are now 4 pages of actual experiences and they all sound like they are genuine.

 

SusanB

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Just the number of brothers that now have beards, I think is one of the biggest and worst indication that they do not follow the Bible, the Christ or Jehovah, because now they have permission from their overlords, yet none of them think twice about it. I have had a beard now for about 3 years, and when I run into a brother like I did this week, who now has a beard, all I can think of is how pathetic he really is! And it never dawns on them that they each individually answer to God, and it's obedience to God and not men that Jehovah requires! But like I keep saying, the GB just continue to prove almost daily that "it does not belong to the Governing Body, who is walking even to direct his step"...or are they not men?
Its actually insulting to think about.
 

Watchman

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If there is no Scriptural connection to show when Jesus appointed them, how do you know he did?
Even they themselves know they have to use the Bible to show they were appointed, hence the lie about 1919.
Well, there is anecdotal evidence; the fact that the core truth of the Bible is published far and wide, and an army of ministers has scoured the earth preaching the good news of the Kingdom. And you can reverse engineer it; meaning, since there will be an appointed slave on earth when Christ comes to initiate the judgment and events appear to be winding up for a global holocaust, and the Watchtower has become apostate with what fits the profile of the evil slave beating his fellow slaves, and...
 
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