Stepping down as an elder

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

It was a Scriptural matter of faith, because no matter how one personally viewed the jabs, the governing body violated the Scriptures by placing so-called respect and obedience to the authorities over one's personal Bible trained conscience. It is Bible 101. (Romans 14) It even violated their own published application of these principles. Elders, fellow Christians, government authorities, and the governing body have no Biblical right to override personal conscience and informed consent in 'health' matters. So, all elders and all Christian JW's had a responsibility before God to stand for the Bible principles, and call out the GB for violating them. The GB "helpers", instead of being mature true Christian men, became 'enablers'. There will be no bigger test in the future, in my view.

That would be true if the brethren understood the issue, but they do not as far as the majority are concerned. Surely their blindness is just as scriptural in prophesy as the behaviour of the GB is. How can prophesy be assumed to be in its revelation state unless it is strongly and publically responded to and understood? That is what revelation means. The clearing away of any doubt or misunderstanding. Those who have been given reasoning - and considering the depth of blindness and intransigence, I do feel insight is given rather than perceived for one’s self at this time - have responded in the large part, albeit slowly for some. However, ‘the time is coming’ and yes, it may well ‘be now’, but given the strongly worded prophesy about the response and the behaviour of the flock that is evidenced in the bible scripture it rather evidences something far more tangible. The bible is more emphatic about the response of the flock in its description of them becoming aware and ‘shouts’ in its choice of vocabulary to “get out….if you do not wish to share…’. Well, who then is getting out? Are they coming out in droves? No. Are they discontent? No. Do they realise something is amiss? Yes - some - but how many of those respond with their feet - a few comparatively speaking - but of those few, how many do so because of scriptural and spiritual evidence compared with the those that do so because of what they see and fear for their civil liberties and choice, and the behavioural issues that the GB exhibit? It is an important issue because it is linked to the sensibilities of the heart.

If we take time to analyse that one issue of the heart, how many have responded angrily to the affront of their civil liberties, compared with those who have seen through the veil of intent that has driven the GB? Those here understand the significance of the vaccine issues, but the majority here understood those same behavioural principles before the vaccine became an issue in 2020. Thus in a best case scenario, the issues of apostasy stemming from the vaccine is symptomatic evidence in the corruption of the GB, rather than a confirmation of scriptural prophesy as a whole. The question requires some thought because the demand for action and response is cited clearly in the bible. The link between physical intent and scripture is a necessary part of apostasy, and though the response of the GB in this debacle over vaccine is clear insofar as personal rights and insight into the political agenda are concerned, the objection on issues of faith from the flock is less so if at all, just as the bible notes it would be - “Who is so blind, who is so deaf…?”. I certainly do not disagree with your issue with the GB and civil liberties. That much is clear to all and sundry were they able to determine the actions and motives of the GB, but as yet those in the majority are not. The opposite is true - is that not what the prophesy says? Eight million people so thankful that the GB are slaving away to help them, who lovingly work non-stop to protect them and guide them through the tribulation if “you stick with us…you will be safe…”? Of those eight million, just fifty or so here see things differently. That does not detract in the least of what we say here and understand, but of the majority of Jehovah’s people, what do they see? If they are to be motivated to get out, it clearly takes something more than a disguised attack on their civil liberties - deceit being the operative word.

From all the horrors that many have gone though at the hands of watchtower, is it likely that Jehovah will think it sufficient for the watchtower to be denounced for civil liberties - or for their denunciation and apostasy to His truth? Which of the two is more likely given Jehovah’s past response to idolatry against his name? But for Moses’ arguing with Jehovah, Jehovah was set to wipe out the nation of Israel for their making of a golden calf to worship No bigger test for the GB? I would have to disagree with that in the most kindly and brotherly manner, but by all means put me right.

 

[Joe MacTeeg]

That would be true if the brethren understood the issue, but they do not as far as the majority are concerned. Surely their blindness is just as scriptural in prophesy as the behaviour of the GB is. How can prophesy be assumed to be in its revelation state unless it is strongly and publically responded to and understood? That is what revelation means. The clearing away of any doubt or misunderstanding. Those who have been given reasoning - and considering the depth of blindness and intransigence, I do feel insight is given rather than perceived for one’s self at this time - have responded in the large part, albeit slowly for some. However, ‘the time is coming’ and yes, it may well ‘be now’, but given the strongly worded prophesy about the response and the behaviour of the flock that is evidenced in the bible scripture it rather evidences something far more tangible. The bible is more emphatic about the response of the flock in its description of them becoming aware and ‘shouts’ in its choice of vocabulary to “get out….if you do not wish to share…’. Well, who then is getting out? Are they coming out in droves? No. Are they discontent? No. Do they realise something is amiss? Yes - some - but how many of those respond with their feet - a few comparatively speaking - but of those few, how many do so because of scriptural and spiritual evidence compared with the those that do so because of what they see and fear for their civil liberties and choice, and the behavioural issues that the GB exhibit? It is an important issue because it is linked to the sensibilities of the heart.

If we take time to analyse that one issue of the heart, how many have responded angrily to the affront of their civil liberties, compared with those who have seen through the veil of intent that has driven the GB? Those here understand the significance of the vaccine issues, but the majority here understood those same behavioural principles before the vaccine became an issue in 2020. Thus in a best case scenario, the issues of apostasy stemming from the vaccine is symptomatic evidence in the corruption of the GB, rather than a confirmation of scriptural prophesy as a whole. The question requires some thought because the demand for action and response is cited clearly in the bible. The link between physical intent and scripture is a necessary part of apostasy, and though the response of the GB in this debacle over vaccine is clear insofar as personal rights and insight into the political agenda are concerned, the objection on issues of faith from the flock is less so if at all, just as the bible notes it would be - “Who is so blind, who is so deaf…?”. I certainly do not disagree with your issue with the GB and civil liberties. That much is clear to all and sundry were they able to determine the actions and motives of the GB, but as yet those in the majority are not. The opposite is true - is that not what the prophesy says? Eight million people so thankful that the GB are slaving away to help them, who lovingly work non-stop to protect them and guide them through the tribulation if “you stick with us…you will be safe…”? Of those eight million, just fifty or so here see things differently. That does not detract in the least of what we say here and understand, but of the majority of Jehovah’s people, what do they see? If they are to be motivated to get out, it clearly takes something more than a disguised attack on their civil liberties - deceit being the operative word.

From all the horrors that many have gone though at the hands of watchtower, is it likely that Jehovah will think it sufficient for the watchtower to be denounced for civil liberties - or for their denunciation and apostasy to His truth? Which of the two is more likely given Jehovah’s past response to idolatry against his name? But for Moses’ arguing with Jehovah, Jehovah was set to wipe out the nation of Israel for their making of a golden calf to worship No bigger test for the GB? I would have to disagree with that in the most kindly and brotherly manner, but by all means put me right.

I can't help you. If you don't see the significance of the GB lying, violating basic Bible principles, and being accomplices in the potential murder/suicide of 8 million people who trusted them and took a genetic-altering Russian Roulette clot shot.....all in the name of "Jehovah", then you will never see it.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I can't help you. If you don't see the significance of the GB lying, violating basic Bible principles, and being accomplices in the potential murder/suicide of 8 million people who trusted them and took a genetic-altering Russian Roulette clot shot.....all in the name of "Jehovah", then you will never see it.

I did not say that I could not see it or indeed call on your help. I said that the brethren still within the watchtower cannot see it. There is no need to be vitriolic and condescending. I do not understand why you feel it necessary to imply some sort of idiocy on my part simply because I suggest another angle of looking at the issue. We are here for debate and resolution are we not. What I said is plainly true. If you feel unable to help clarify your issue, and mend my ignorance then that is your fault, not mine as you imply. If we have the truth, then why not share it? The bible suggests that we do, and also that we reason upon it. The majority of the eight million adherents to watchtower cannot see the facts as you state them to be. I reiterated the applicable scripture as to why I felt that to be the case. If they did see the issue over the vaccines then surely we would see the outcome but we do not. Just a few in number. The bible supports the issue in telling us that they will need to be terrified into action - so on what grounds do you suggest otherwise? The example quoted showed the Israelites acted in the same vein, as stated and reflected in what I said. It may help you to keep a civil tongue in your head to read what is written. Why people believe that the vaccine is sacrosanct as definitively the prime mover of apostasy and cannot be doubted, is beyond me. Is there really nothing more to expose in the watchtower other than their propaganda? How many others of their flock have been sacrificed on the alter of their politics such as Malawi and Mexico? Why is the vaccine issue suddenly the issue. Why did we not hear from others beforehand about the child abuse and the myriad other crimes that they have laid on the sheep? There is so much corruption in their political system and so many other devious issues perpetrated by the watchtower that the sheep are also blind to, it is clear that the issue needs further consideration. I have to say that to believe that the watchtower is to be judged by Jehovah upon their conduct over a vaccine, dangerous and seemingly lethal as it can be in many cases, is to underestimate the issue of sovereignty and its exclusivity as to ownership and the coming manifestation of such a “jealously” held entitlement. Did I offend you somehow by suggesting this? If so then I apologise.

 

[StillA_WorshiperOfJah]

Is there really nothing more to expose in the watchtower other than their propaganda? How many others of their flock have been sacrificed on the alter of their politics such as Malawi and Mexico? Why is the vaccine issue suddenly the issue. Why did we not hear from others beforehand about the child abuse and the myriad other crimes that they have laid on the sheep? There is so much corruption in their political system and so many other devious issues perpetrated by the watchtower that the sheep are also blind to, it is clear that the issue needs further consideration.

Nobody is denying that the Watchtower was not guilty of corruption/harm before the scam-demic issue. The difference now is the scale of the harm that promoting the injections is causing and will cause. In fact, we don't even know the scale of the harm that will be caused in the congregations, people associated with the congregations and their offspring. It will massively eclipse their other crimes or misguided policies. Revelations suggests a third will die.
This was not due to negligence or ignorance as many wrote to the GB with pages of evidence pleading with them not covertly promote this bioweapon. Yes, some made the decision to take it independently, but they may have made another decision if the the WT were not in bed with the UN and at least produced an article warning people to do ther own research. They have the power and influence to have saved lives.
This isn't the same as blowing a grand on whiskey which may or may not have been purchased with misappropriated donations.

Not to mention the psychological and psychological harm caused by isolation, mask wearing and the crime of shutting the Kingdom Halls and reducing the preaching work. The harm this caused to young people and the elderly cannot be calculated. Also the damage to the economy and the hardship and starvation this will cause.
This caused many of us who were not aware of all the Watchtowers other failings to wake up and find out about it. If not, we may have continued to reason that the CSA was only isolated cases, and the cover ups due to naive, provincial elders who overstepped due to wanting to protect Jehovah's name- as an example.

 

[SusanB]

Why is the vaccine issue suddenly the issue. Why did we not hear from others beforehand about the child abuse and the myriad other crimes that they have laid on the sheep? There is so much corruption in their political system and so many other devious issues perpetrated by the watchtower that the sheep are also blind to, it is clear that the issue needs further consideration.

I understand what you are saying about the child abuse and myriad other crimes, but most, including me, were and are completely unaware. The GB and the org are very effective in squashing any information that would expose them. With regard to the child abuse there was a television program that highlighted it however it is true that there are people who want nothing more than to bash servants of God. Who is telling the truth and who is lying? It’s almost impossible to determine unless someone has first hand knowledge. Also, in the org there really is no reason for non-related adults to be alone with children. I would not have allowed it for my children even with brothers, except for one brother that I knew very well. But the vaccine is really unique because they have and are promoting a health product universally to all brothers and sisters who have no chance to ask questions or consider their individual health history or circumstance. And, this is worldwide. I do think the vaccine was a turning point. It also contradicted established doctrine and their explanation of why they did it was because it followed in the pattern of Moses. This claim of following in the pattern of Moses is where Jesus pointed out that the scribes and Pharisees did so also and it was arrogant.

Matthew 23:2: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.”

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I understand what you are saying about the child abuse and myriad other crimes, but most, including me, were and are completely unaware. The GB and the org are very effective in squashing any information that would expose them. With regard to the child abuse there was a television program that highlighted it however it is true that there are people who want nothing more than to bash servants of God. Who is telling the truth and who is lying? It’s almost impossible to determine unless someone has first hand knowledge. Also, in the org there really is no reason for non-related adults to be alone with children. I would not have allowed it for my children even with brothers, except for one brother that I knew very well. But the vaccine is really unique because they have and are promoting a health product universally to all brothers and sisters who have no chance to ask questions or consider their individual health history or circumstance. And, this is worldwide. I do think the vaccine was a turning point. It also contradicted established doctrine and their explanation of why they did it was because it followed in the pattern of Moses. This claim of following in the pattern of Moses is where Jesus pointed out that the scribes and Pharisees did so also and it was arrogant.

Matthew 23:2: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.”

Thanks, Yes I understand the issues and certainly so with Mathew 23:2. I appreciate your answer. I am not contradicting the significance of the vaccine. What I do feel significant is exactly what you say in that many are completely unaware of the evidence of apostasy surrounding the leadership of the GB. It is this ignorance that I feel is the critical factor in the outcome of justice, especially so in terms of the decisions of conscience that we will sooner or later be compelled to make in our own faith. I may of course be mistaken to believe this, yet there is compelling substance in scripture that points primarily to responsibility for our own actions in our relationship with Jehovah. That responsibility requires insight on both sides if our actions are to be judged fairly in that without such clarity of understanding, our actions have no relationship to the scriptural reasons for “getting out”. To make our exit have meaning, then surely such an action of leaving what is labelled as “Jehovah’s organisation” must be based upon a clear and evidential breach of pure intent in the service of Jehovah on their part and that is clearly recognised by the flock as a whole - I refer to the substance of Ezekiel, chapter eight.

There is little doubt that the GB‘s proclivities in wrongdoing overall will be detailed in their denunciation come the tribulation, and that the moral issues surrounding the vaccines will be part of that. However, is their stand on vaccines any worse than their stand taken regarding child abuse - murder or the soul of a child is murder also by any other means. It destroys life. Why is there not equal repudiation and charge of apostasy made over the two witness demand regarding child abuse? It is breath-taking to understand that the issues of child abuse and vaccine put together cannot wake the brethren. Clearly then, something more is required of the GB to ensure such an awakening for all, not just some. Why then should one act of degenerate mismanagement by the GB not take precedence over the other?
Is it worse than any other issue of control and apostasy that have led to suicide and despair?

The fact that by taking responsibility for the spiritual welfare of the flock the GB have wantonly overstepped their position and condemned themselves. They simply were required only to share the Word, not translate prophesy above and beyond what was required. We can all agree on that. However, that is a symptom, along with many other symptoms of their corruption, not a cause of rebellion against Jehovah. That cause, is of the heart. And it is the intent to mislead that was at the heart of satan’s attack on Adam - and not the (literal) ‘fruit or ‘vaccine’ offered Adam. Likewise with the GB of whom have proclaimed a “spiritual paradise” for the brethren. Some “spiritual paradise“ indeed it has turned out to be, and the evidence is becoming clear in their deeds and of which, the vaccine is but a part. But it is in my opinion, just that, a part. Evidence of a far, far greater malaise in their fulfilment of prophesy will become clear at the fulfilment of their being judged in front of all where “nothing done in secret’ will not be exposed. That revelation will justly and in front of all, prove their guilt.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Nobody is denying that the Watchtower was not guilty of corruption/harm before the scam-demic issue. The difference now is the scale of the harm that promoting the injections is causing and will cause. In fact, we don't even know the scale of the harm that will be caused in the congregations, people associated with the congregations and their offspring. It will massively eclipse their other crimes or misguided policies. Revelations suggests a third will die.
This was not due to negligence or ignorance as many wrote to the GB with pages of evidence pleading with them not covertly promote this bioweapon. Yes, some made the decision to take it independently, but they may have made another decision if the the WT were not in bed with the UN and at least produced an article warning people to do ther own research. They have the power and influence to have saved lives.
This isn't the same as blowing a grand on whiskey which may or may not have been purchased with misappropriated donations.

Not to mention the psychological and psychological harm caused by isolation, mask wearing and the crime of shutting the Kingdom Halls and reducing the preaching work. The harm this caused to young people and the elderly cannot be calculated. Also the damage to the economy and the hardship and starvation this will cause.
This caused many of us who were not aware of all the Watchtowers other failings to wake up and find out about it. If not, we may have continued to reason that the CSA was only isolated cases, and the cover ups due to naive, provincial elders who overstepped due to wanting to protect Jehovah's name- as an example.

Thanks. I largely am in agreement. I replied to Driven, hopefully clarifying my feelings on the matter. Clearly the vaccine concerns many.

 

[Watchman]

Well said Barnaby. Spot on ole chap. It is not a single failure or single issue. Yes, the prophecies do indict the leaders for blood guilt, which seems to speak to the developing vaccine debacle; but the soon-to-be-revealed judgment contains more than that. Many prophecies condemn the leaders for fabricating their own prophecies, which is exactly what the Watchtower has done with the 1914 myth. They have waited to have a word come true for the entire existence of the WT, to no avail. And overall God condemns them for being tyrannical and harsh in dealing with the sheep. God condemns them for their robbery, of being partners with thieves, which is plainly evident in the various money schemes the Watchtower has promoted.

As for rousing JWs to see what is happening, that is humanly impossible. I have been working at it for 20 years with only minimal results. No, it is as Jehovah has stated in Isaiah. "Only terror will make them understand." And terror is exactly what will be unleashed when WW3.0 gets going full guns.

 

[DoubleThink333]

The GB have judgement coming to them due to their atrocious behaviour mandating elders to get the covid-19 fake "vaccines", and not defending us legally to not take vaccine. As these fake "vaccines" are dangerous the GB should be defending us, they choose to do the opposite. Hence Jehovah will hold our GB accountable, as these vaccines have killed and injured many millions of people around the world.

I think we have to start calling these injections what they truly are. They are bioweapons. They KNEW the effects these lethal injections would have long before they were made available for public consumption. That call it “adverse events” in this slide but clearly these are intended consequences. Legal definition of a bioweapon is outlined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 10 §175. Picture attached for reference. My source for this picture is https://karenkingston.substack.com/p/the-nih-code-word-for-bioweapon-is the author cites her official govt. source at the bottom-right of the photo.
By continuing to play this word game of calling a bioweapon a “vaccine” we are basically aiding and abetting criminal behavio. We have got to start calling this thing what it is. It is a BIOWEAPON.

 

[Joe MacTeeg]

I think we have to start calling these injections what they truly are. They are bioweapons. They KNEW the effects these lethal injections would have long before they were made available for public consumption. That call it “adverse events” in this slide but clearly these are intended consequences. Legal definition of a bioweapon is outlined in 18 U.S.C. Chapter 10 §175. Picture attached for reference. My source for this picture is https://karenkingston.substack.com/p/the-nih-code-word-for-bioweapon-is the author cites her official govt. source at the bottom-right of the photo.
By continuing to play this word game of calling a bioweapon a “vaccine” we are basically aiding and abetting criminal behavio. We have got to start calling this thing what it is. It is a BIOWEAPON.

That exact FDA document I included in an 8 page letter to the Governing Body. February 2021. I included a copy of the FDA document as well as referencing it, and much more in my letter. I was still serving as an elder then. (Resigned June 2021 over the genetic jabs.) I was not the only one. Many did the same. (writing with documentation) They ignored us. (And they already knew the dangers as well as fetal cell issues anyways.) But it further establishes their serious bloodguilt before God.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

That exact FDA document I included in an 8 page letter to the Governing Body. February 2021. I included a copy of the FDA document as well as referencing it, and much more in my letter. I was still serving as an elder then. (Resigned June 2021 over the genetic jabs.) I was not the only one. Many did the same. (writing with documentation) They ignored us. (And they already knew the dangers as well as fetal cell issues anyways.) But it further establishes their serious bloodguilt before God.

The GB are definitely getting into bed with the political system. I wonder what those two new boys have been admitted for.

 

[Liz]

Can I encourage to stay in the JW org as a brother?
Your prayers would be valuable for other JWs that are staying in the JW and are also being persecuted from the fake JWs inside the JW org.
I have made the decision to stay in the JW org regardless of what crap I see and am dealing with due to the corruption of the JW org. A sister in the 1990s said to me "Nothing will shake me." regarding issues and problems in the JW org. I have the same determination. My mother has the same determination to stay in the JW org regardless of what other JWs are doing. I know more than most JWs about the crap currently in the JW org ie ongoing coverup of child sex abuse, and the current covid-19 vaccine encouragement from the Governing Body. There might be other issues that I am not aware of that are also covered up.
Many JWs who made the decision to not get the covid-19 injections are being persecuted, as some elders are bullies pushing their flock to get the covid-19 injection, and the GB not supporting their flock by legally fighting and representing us in courts and by other legal pathways. Instead the GB have mandated elders to get the covid-19 injection. Many people do not want the covid-19 because it has injured and many people on a scale never seen by any other medical procedure. There are raised unexplained deaths in many countries around the world, but the JWs in my local area are not concerned about this.

 

[Liz]

That exact FDA document I included in an 8 page letter to the Governing Body. February 2021. I included a copy of the FDA document as well as referencing it, and much more in my letter. I was still serving as an elder then. (Resigned June 2021 over the genetic jabs.) I was not the only one. Many did the same. (writing with documentation) They ignored us. (And they already knew the dangers as well as fetal cell issues anyways.) But it further establishes their serious bloodguilt before God.

The GB are bloodguilty for not supporting their flock to not take the covid-19 injection, and instead mandate their elders to get the covid-19 injection. As I am sure elders and other JWs have died from the covid-19 injection, and the GB had the legal resources and the knowledge how to deal with the covid-19 to legally defend their flock. I am also sure that the GB are fully aware of what they have done and that they are bloodguilty.
I agree the covid-19 injections are not vaccines, as they do not stop you from getting covid-19. The covid-19 injections are bioweapons.

 

[mts]

Hi @Liz, I commend you on your determination to maneuver through the current and likely future shake-up in the org. Morris's leave from the GB is only, likely, the beggining of more to come. Am personally going thru some challenges myself as a member in the upper echelons of what some call, R&F positions. Nonetheless, fortunately, so far, the persecution for not taking the cvd jabs has been light. None are making a big deal of it even though it disqualifies from being able to attend any theocratic schools, including the elder's school. My take is this is an org policy, not a bible-based reqt; consequently, it can be enforced by the org for org events, but cannot be used as a disqualification point for those in r&f positions. At least, not seen or read anything yet. It will be an eye-opener if something is put out in print, we'll see. Again, at 3 years into the pandemic and with the amount of time in-person meetings have reactivated, there is no logic or reason for the reqt, imho. Jehovah will bring all truths to light in due time.

 

[barry]

Hi @Liz, I commend you on your determination to maneuver through the current and likely future shake-up in the org. Morris's leave from the GB is only, likely, the beggining of more to come. Am personally going thru some challenges myself as a member in the upper echelons of what some call, R&F positions. Nonetheless, fortunately, so far, the persecution for not taking the cvd jabs has been light. None are making a big deal of it even though it disqualifies from being able to attend any theocratic schools, including the elder's school. My take is this is an org policy, not a bible-based reqt; consequently, it can be enforced by the org for org events, but cannot be used as a disqualification point for those in r&f positions. At least, not seen or read anything yet. It will be an eye-opener if something is put out in print, we'll see. Again, at 3 years into the pandemic and with the amount of time in-person meetings have reactivated, there is no logic or reason for the reqt, imho. Jehovah will bring all truths to light in due time.

I haven't had any issues yet from not being vaccinated. I haven't had anyone asking about my status at all. The only person I mentioned it to is our group overseer, but he didn't make any point of it.
I do hear now and than someone talking about the vaccines, but it is really minimal.
I don't know the status of anyone in the hall regarding vaccine status, except when I hear someone crossing the border to US I know they have to be vaccinated since it is still mandatory at this time.

I'm also leaving it to Jehovah.
On another forum I saw a nice comparison with David and Saul.
At some point when Saul was chasing David, David had the chance to kill Saul but he didn't want to do it, since David still considered Saul as Jehovah's anointed. This was after Saul actively tried to kill David think about all the bad things Saul had done, even spirit mediums etc.
That is also the reason why I refrain to speak bad about individuals in the GB. We don't know who is considered as faithful and discreet or who is the evil slave. We just know as a group they're going beyond the Bible.

 

[Revvzone]

I haven't had any issues yet from not being vaccinated. I haven't had anyone asking about my status at all. The only person I mentioned it to is our group overseer, but he didn't make any point of it.
I do hear now and than someone talking about the vaccines, but it is really minimal.
I don't know the status of anyone in the hall regarding vaccine status, except when I hear someone crossing the border to US I know they have to be vaccinated since it is still mandatory at this time.

I'm also leaving it to Jehovah.
On another forum I saw a nice comparison with David and Saul.
At some point when Saul was chasing David, David had the chance to kill Saul but he didn't want to do it, since David still considered Saul as Jehovah's anointed. This was after Saul actively tried to kill David think about all the bad things Saul had done, even spirit mediums etc.
That is also the reason why I refrain to speak bad about individuals in the GB. We don't know who is considered as faithful and discreet or who is the evil slave. We just know as a group they're going beyond the Bible.

There is a difference in Saul having the anointing of Jehovah as king, the Governing body are not kings, nor are they princes, not in any sence and not until Christ says so...They are elected by the others, by voting with a show of hands.. Which means, they're not spiritually appointed! I call them what Jehovah calls them, "stupid prophets" spiritual drunkards, spewing vomit all over the tables which they call food at the proper time, wolves in sheep's clothing..

 

[PJ54]

The GB are bloodguilty for not supporting their flock to not take the covid-19 injection, and instead mandate their elders to get the covid-19 injection. As I am sure elders and other JWs have died from the covid-19 injection, and the GB had the legal resources and the knowledge how to deal with the covid-19 to legally defend their flock. I am also sure that the GB are fully aware of what they have done and that they are bloodguilty.
I agree the covid-19 injections are not vaccines, as they do not stop you from getting covid-19. The covid-19 injections are bioweapons.

Hey Liz! Joe isn't on the forum anymore.

 

[Jehovahsloyalchild]

I haven't had any issues yet from not being vaccinated. I haven't had anyone asking about my status at all. The only person I mentioned it to is our group overseer, but he didn't make any point of it.
I do hear now and than someone talking about the vaccines, but it is really minimal.
I don't know the status of anyone in the hall regarding vaccine status, except when I hear someone crossing the border to US I know they have to be vaccinated since it is still mandatory at this time.

I'm also leaving it to Jehovah.
On another forum I saw a nice comparison with David and Saul.
At some point when Saul was chasing David, David had the chance to kill Saul but he didn't want to do it, since David still considered Saul as Jehovah's anointed. This was after Saul actively tried to kill David think about all the bad things Saul had done, even spirit mediums etc.
That is also the reason why I refrain to speak bad about individuals in the GB. We don't know who is considered as faithful and discreet or who is the evil slave. We just know as a group they're going beyond the Bible.

You are not hearing it mentioned at this present moment about because the governments, WHO and Big Pharma have taken a brief repreive.. Once they unleash the next pandemic and mandated shots the GB will jump right in the bandwagon again and partner up with the beast system for blood money. I have zero doubt absolutely zero doubt that is on the horizon.

 

[barry]

You are not hearing it mentioned at this present moment about because the governments, WHO and Big Pharma have taken a brief repreive.. Once they unleash the next pandemic and mandated shots the GB will jump right in the bandwagon again and partner up with the beast system for blood money. I have zero doubt absolutely zero doubt that is on the horizon.

oh, yes. I do think that as well. Currently it's silence before the storm

 

[Bruce]

The way the GB have replaced Jesus as the only accepted way to Jehovah is a form of idolatry.

It is very difficult to serve as an elder under these circumstances.

The outlines we have to use whether it's for the watchtower, midweek meeting or public talks is riddled with GB/organisation worship.

I am on the cusp of stepping down.