Eventhorizon
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They will have to hold me down to give it to me. The R & F are so blind. Never ever ever underestimate the power of denial and that you can't fix stupid
Stepping down as an elder
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SusanB
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I understand your feelings. However, I am not aware of any mandate for Elders. I did know about the mandate for full time workers.The GB have judgement coming to them due to their atrocious behaviour mandating elders to get the covid-19 fake "vaccines", and not defending us legally to not take vaccine. As these fake "vaccines" are dangerous the GB should be defending us, they choose to do the opposite. Hence Jehovah will hold our GB accountable, as these vaccines have killed and injured many millions of people around the world.
Eventhorizon
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Oh there is a mandate for attending theocratic schools-and it is a purge. Presented as you do not have to take, but you can’t attend the school in person(no zoom option). In my opinion just presenting it this way to see who will comply willingly because of the desire to be in attendance or peer pressure. The shoe will drop later for the ones who did not comply
SusanB
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I forgot about the schools. Definitely coercion and separating.
I believe JW's themselves are at fault too not just the GB. It seems the GB capitulated to the general feelings of JW's in regard to the "vax". Imagine if the had the stones to analyze the rMNA "vaccine" which is really gene therapy and warned them. There would have been an backlash the likes they had never scene from the congs and the world. Jehovah has left them. Few realize it's a personal choice and there are adverse affects.
SusanB
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Interesting thought that they actually took their marching orders from brothers and sisters. I think it is possible, sadly.
Joe MacTeeg
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No way. The GB took their marching orders from Satan's beast system. My son called it from the very first update in 2020, long before the jabs. They immediately began to instill fear in the members: '5,000 of our dear brothers and sisters have died from the virus.' The handwriting was on the wall right from the start. The GB never wavered in their desire to curry favor from "the authorities." The sheep were sold to the slaughter.
SusanB
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I agree this is the most likely scenario but the CNN watching brothers and sisters were all too happy about the direction. They gleefully promoted it in their comments.
Sundial
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These are "sheep" who are predisposed after years of intense indoctrination to follow the leader no matter how odd. It gives them a deep sense of pride and virtue. What other organization professing "love" could get parents and loved ones to totally turn their backs on their own kids and family members for any number of perceived missteps, yet hide criminals from the law that have violated them? That is true brainwashing. It is sad few ever survive long enough to question the insanity.
Joe MacTeeg
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For sure. We lived it too. Zoom field service was the Twilight Zone. I was still an elder, and my wife was still regular pioneering. Often she just had to turn the sound off. They just kept regurgitating CNN talking points. While in Saturday service, I tried to straighten out an elder who was likening the Pfizer and Moderna jabs to two kinds of cookies, 'one like chocolate chip, and the other like chocolate chip with nuts'. So, I went into the VAERS report. 😵💫
Arctic Cat
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I was telling my father the very same thing.. if only he had been as receptive and awake as you, things could have been alot different for my family at least.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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That is true to an extent, but then is that not the point of the exercise?….”….they will have to know that I am Jehovah”. Thus it appears that stupid can be fixed.
BagdadBill
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The governing body have a method of putting an idea out to the congregations. I call it dancing around the fire. They are forbidden to actually walk through the fire but they will dance around it until you notice the fire. It is your job to walk through the fire and that is what they want but they can't actually say it aloud. All of Jehovah's people know how this works, if they can be honest with themselves. They never actually say it but you know what they meant. I refer to the remarks of David Splane who came very near to being singed by the fire.
Jesus sent an angel with a can of gas and if they are smart, they will step away from the fire. They will pay for their undue influence in getting the friends to take the injection. God as my witness.
Jesus sent an angel with a can of gas and if they are smart, they will step away from the fire. They will pay for their undue influence in getting the friends to take the injection. God as my witness.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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I expect that there must be some move from the evil slave to denounce those who expose or resist their lead. I’m not sure it is the vaccine though that may be the first rung of the ladder. I would expect a far more critical challenge on a scriptural matter of faith from the evil slave to be the turning point for the very reason that faith is a critical component of the issue to hand. I have never seen it as an issue of do as you are told, but of believe what we tell you. The issue is of allegiance to the core values of Jehovah and of our relationship with and acceptance of those values. There were ten plagues upon Egypt and it was only the last one that broke the camels back. I don’t know if there is an analogy there. I’m not exactly a theologian in these matters.
BagdadBill
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Jehovah does not appreciate those who fail to acknowledge that we are HIS slaves, not theirs. Jehovah is the only being who has slave who don't feel like slaves. Slavery or servitude to the Creator is not a bad thing nor is it a burden. I'm not making this up. You can read it for yourself in this amazing new book called The Bible.
Joe MacTeeg
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It was a Scriptural matter of faith, because no matter how one personally viewed the jabs, the governing body violated the Scriptures by placing so-called respect and obedience to the authorities over one's personal Bible trained conscience. It is Bible 101. (Romans 14) It even violated their own published application of these principles. Elders, fellow Christians, government authorities, and the governing body have no Biblical right to override personal conscience and informed consent in 'health' matters. So, all elders and all Christian JW's had a responsibility before God to stand for the Bible principles, and call out the GB for violating them. The GB "helpers", instead of being mature true Christian men, became 'enablers'. There will be no bigger test in the future, in my view.
Jess
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Same here! It was so bizarre!
kirmmy
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Oh man! Thanks for that. I've been laughing and giggling now for 5 minutes.
That would be a great Monty Python skit.
BARNABY THE DOG.
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That would be true if the brethren understood the issue, but they do not as far as the majority are concerned. Surely their blindness is just as scriptural in prophesy as the behaviour of the GB is. How can prophesy be assumed to be in its revelation state unless it is strongly and publically responded to and understood? That is what revelation means. The clearing away of any doubt or misunderstanding. Those who have been given reasoning - and considering the depth of blindness and intransigence, I do feel insight is given rather than perceived for one’s self at this time - have responded in the large part, albeit slowly for some. However, ‘the time is coming’ and yes, it may well ‘be now’, but given the strongly worded prophesy about the response and the behaviour of the flock that is evidenced in the bible scripture it rather evidences something far more tangible. The bible is more emphatic about the response of the flock in its description of them becoming aware and ‘shouts’ in its choice of vocabulary to “get out….if you do not wish to share…’. Well, who then is getting out? Are they coming out in droves? No. Are they discontent? No. Do they realise something is amiss? Yes - some - but how many of those respond with their feet - a few comparatively speaking - but of those few, how many do so because of scriptural and spiritual evidence compared with the those that do so because of what they see and fear for their civil liberties and choice, and the behavioural issues that the GB exhibit? It is an important issue because it is linked to the sensibilities of the heart.
If we take time to analyse that one issue of the heart, how many have responded angrily to the affront of their civil liberties, compared with those who have seen through the veil of intent that has driven the GB? Those here understand the significance of the vaccine issues, but the majority here understood those same behavioural principles before the vaccine became an issue in 2020. Thus in a best case scenario, the issues of apostasy stemming from the vaccine is symptomatic evidence in the corruption of the GB, rather than a confirmation of scriptural prophesy as a whole. The question requires some thought because the demand for action and response is cited clearly in the bible. The link between physical intent and scripture is a necessary part of apostasy, and though the response of the GB in this debacle over vaccine is clear insofar as personal rights and insight into the political agenda are concerned, the objection on issues of faith from the flock is less so if at all, just as the bible notes it would be - “Who is so blind, who is so deaf…?”. I certainly do not disagree with your issue with the GB and civil liberties. That much is clear to all and sundry were they able to determine the actions and motives of the GB, but as yet those in the majority are not. The opposite is true - is that not what the prophesy says? Eight million people so thankful that the GB are slaving away to help them, who lovingly work non-stop to protect them and guide them through the tribulation if “you stick with us…you will be safe…”? Of those eight million, just fifty or so here see things differently. That does not detract in the least of what we say here and understand, but of the majority of Jehovah’s people, what do they see? If they are to be motivated to get out, it clearly takes something more than a disguised attack on their civil liberties - deceit being the operative word.
From all the horrors that many have gone though at the hands of watchtower, is it likely that Jehovah will think it sufficient for the watchtower to be denounced for civil liberties - or for their denunciation and apostasy to His truth? Which of the two is more likely given Jehovah’s past response to idolatry against his name? But for Moses’ arguing with Jehovah, Jehovah was set to wipe out the nation of Israel for their making of a golden calf to worship No bigger test for the GB? I would have to disagree with that in the most kindly and brotherly manner, but by all means put me right.