Torn about going back

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Arctic Cat

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I want to be baptized but I can't even get a regular church to call me back because nowadays churches aren't much different from the Watchtower. They only baptize you if you're a church member. I have no interest in joining a church. So nobody will baptize me. None of them even return my calls. I'm literally a few steps away from going down to home depot in the morning and hiring an illegal immigrant to do it for me. That's probably my best shot at this point.
if its any consolation you aren’t the only one with this problem🤗 i have faith our father in his infinite wisdom will allow for this to happen for us who are in this situation at a proper time. untill that time comes I will just continue to do what i can to stay close to him.
 

MickHewitt

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he way things are shaping up with the war. US has successfully provoked China now
Japan stole Taiwan from China in the 1800's after being part of China for 1400 years! It was agreed by Roosvelt later Truman that it would be returned to China after the war agreed and formalised in Potsdam by Truman, Churchill and Stalin. One China!
 

Patricia

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thank you Medi-tator

lately i am not doing so well. Emotional.

Everything seems to be falling apart.

your kind words me a lot.
Sorry your not feeling up to par, Kimmy. Is your thyroid ok? (Not really any of my biz but....)
I get really emotional when I'm not getting enough of my synthroid. I know you also have a lot on your plate right now, but was just wondering if that could be adding to it. Just know that we're all here for you.
Never give up
Never give in💪

Love ya 😻
 
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Zane

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If the Bible is not enough for you and you need someone to tell you what to think, how to act, and what to do, then under the direction of the GB is probably where you need to be.

But if you have become spiritually mature then you no longer need someone to lead you by the hand in your worship of Jehovah.

Although new ones need to be taught the good news (Jn 21:15-17), for the spiritually mature there is only one person who is between Jehovah and ourselves.

(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is... one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

(1 Corinthians 11:17) But while giving these instructions, I do not commend you, because it is, not for the better, but for the worse that you meet together.

:)
 

MickHewitt

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Japan stole Taiwan from China in the 1800's after being part of China for 1400 years! It was agreed by Roosvelt later Truman that it would be returned to China after the war agreed and formalised in Potsdam by Truman, Churchill and Stalin. One China!
The Chinese give reverence to their history at the burned out former ruins of Bejings Summer Palace. The palace was built by rennaisance architects. China has not forgotten who burned it down in late 1800's and stole it's artifacts and took over the place enslaving the populace too!......all the present members of the G7! It is in Chinese consciousness and every school child knows this!
 

Jess

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They can hardly publish any article now, without them quoting the UN's WHO, the CDC, or some full flung leftist propaganda rag. It's gotten so blatantly obvious that they support the Democrat party agenda, it is really remarkable.
I would love to see a compilation of all the UN propaganda from the Org in one place. I know there is a lot.
 

Jess

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If the Bible is not enough for you and you need someone to tell you what to think, how to act, and what to do, then under the direction of the GB is probably where you need to be.

But if you have become spiritually mature then you no longer need someone to lead you by the hand in your worship of Jehovah.

Although new ones need to be taught the good news (Jn 21:15-17), for the spiritually mature there is only one person who is between Jehovah and ourselves.

(1 Timothy 2:5) For there is... one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

(1 Corinthians 11:17) But while giving these instructions, I do not commend you, because it is, not for the better, but for the worse that you meet together.

:)
Awesome verses @Zane
 

kirmmy

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The Chinese give reverence to their history at the burned out former ruins of Bejings Summer Palace. The palace was built by rennaisance architects. China has not forgotten who burned it down in late 1800's and stole it's artifacts and took over the place enslaving the populace too!......all the present members of the G7! It is in Chinese consciousness and every school child knows this!
Century of humiliation?
Just the fact that the Chinese have a term "the century of humiliation" show's they're lookin' for some payback.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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Well after prayerful consideration I know Jehovah does want me to return. I will go back with the full truth fully equipped to share if and when i feel Jehovahs holy spirit compel me to do so. I will follow the command of Jesus to remain until the temple is trampled and the disgusting thing causes desolation. Hopefully that comes very soon. It won't be easy but the right thing never is the easy thing to do. Thank you for all your replies they have been most helpful abd appreciated
 

יהוה_saves

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About Watchwer still being used by Jehovah- um, no.

Can anyone imagine Jesus’s apostles going along with those who are teaching and preaching in the temple that the Messiah has not yet appeared, and that there are no chosen ones, and Jesus Christ was a common criminal, just to fit in until Jehovah destroyed the building?

DID not the early Christians break off from the temple even before 66CE, and start forming their own congregations in their own homes to organize, to teach and to preach important truths, truths that were not in line with the lies of the conventional religionists of that time???

Jesus’s apostles and disciples organized their efforts to preach and teach truth from private homes- remember Philemon?

Phi 1v1 Paul, a prisoner for the sake of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved fellow worker, and to Apphia, our sister, and to Archippus, our fellow soldier, and to the congregation that is in your house.

When one re-engages in the Watchtower ministry, they’re going to be expected to say things, and teach things that are in direct opposition to Christ- even if one “COMPARTMENTALIZES”, they’re going to be supporting others that teach and preach these lies, and incorrect biblical concepts- supporting them for example by driving them around- accompanying them. How do you get around your consciences?
@Ms_ladyblue
 

Ms_ladyblue

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If you choose to return, it's simply a balancing act and you have to let your conscience guide how you move.
Personally, i'm active (PIMO) due to my circumstances. The way I see it, Jehovah knows all things, if he's allowing WT to misrepresent him at the current moment and not doing anything about it, there is a reason. Likely a test. He allowed the Pharisees to do the same thing in Jesus day. But Jesus instructed his disciples to continue their form of worship without imitating the hypocrisy of the Pharisees.
He hasn't signaled for us to leave (stop meeting together for worship) or stop preaching. Those who have chosen to leave prematurely have to answer to Jehovah for their conscientious decision to do so.
If I could make a clean break, I probably would.
As far as my comments at the meetings and ministry, I speak truth. Plain and simple. Most of our worship still contains much truth and benefit. If there is a falsehood being discussed, I remain silent. It's not my responsibility to reveal to everyone what they should already be discerning. If the spirit hasn't revealed it to them yet, there is a reason. We are all under a time of deep testing. I've come to understand that I cannot change the minds of any JW (including my wife) when it comes to the GB idolatry and Jehovah doesn't expect me to. This is a deeply personal test IMO. That being said, it doesn't have to prevent me from offering due praise to Jehovah in the midst of the congregation.
I no longer direct anyone to the JW.org website unless it is to something specific. Again, it is up to the individual to discern truth. I will not teach untruths to a Bible student but if they read untruths from WT, they will need to discern whether it is scriptural or not. We all have that individual responsibility. No one should delegate that to a bible teacher or self appointed GB.
Ultimately, your conscience needs to guide you. IMO we can still gather for worship and preach with our brothers while holding a good conscience. But we each carry our own load.
@Jah-son
I really appreciate your response about such a sensitive, but serious decision so many are dealing with. I especially admire your balanced advice and view on the matter.

I hope and pray this will help whoever is trying to make this decision. Maybe Jehovah gave you just the right words to post that someone will need to read.

😊
 
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Charming Primrose

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how do you manage to sift the WT lies from the the bible’s prophetic truth? It will get awkward, for sure.

lots of current event stuff is going to come up. and you can’t tell householders that we’re in the last days, because you know that isn’t true, that is a lie spun off the 1914 lie.

The Gov Body will decide what JWs can talk about for the month- you’re not supposed to deviate from that. What if it’s clearly something that is incorrect, or worse, a lie? You must have a plan.

Surely you will not direct innocent and unwitting people to JW dot org. I commend you for that.

you’ll have to wear a mask- this will align you with the NWO. Many will be offended by this.

and then there’s the jabs- closed up in a car group with others shedding the spike protein. When you get home drink some strong dandelion greens tea- it will help the spike protein you will be exposed to, from entering your system through your ACE2 receptor.

You cannot speak negatively about the deadly injections in front of other JWs so best be silent.

You will be counseled if you warn others of the jab danger.

It’s like a running a gauntlet, isn’t it.

the upside is, you can come here and let us know how it’s going, but be careful, were anyone in your hall to find out you post here, and have been for months, they’ll report you to the elders. You’ll be hauled back to a struggle session room to explain yourself. Because your presense here, for any reason, is a sin against Watchtower and the Gov Body.

best of luck.
Everything you just said is 💯true
 

Charming Primrose

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However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

Fleeing, is down to a individuals personal discernment

JW.org and the magazine are full of quotes from the World Health Organisation, the World Economic Forum (Arms of the UN - The Image of the world Beast!) and people like Anthony Fauci.
They are also promoting the Climate Change fraud.

I for one, in good conscience, could not personally point people to the Watchtower org or the GB anymore, which is what is expected when you are associating with the congregation.
Exactly this !! I can not direct anyone to the site anymore. I can not be a part of it. I am so relieved to hear of others who feel the same.
 

Charming Primrose

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Very true and I realize the harvesting has not commenced as of yet. I am torn because I strongly feel that my relationship is stronger with Jehovah not being a part of the organization then it will be if I do return. I literally can barely stomach their hypocrisy. I don't find anything they teach anymore enriching or spiritually uplifting. The satanic influence is becoming stronger and more apparent by the day. Stephen Lett even had the audacity to say at the peace convention that babies are enemies of God. It is sickening the things they say. It is not sound or from Jehovah at all. I think the only reason Jehovah hasn't pulled the plug yet is because of how patient he is and the fact he doesn't want to destroy anyone he wants us all to repent and return to him. He is giving his witnesses ample opportunities to see the hypocrisy within the leadership. The complete abomination and reproach they bring upon his name through their mishandling of child abuse cases, their push for deadly toxic injections their constant propaganda their selling off kingdom halls their shunning their callous cold unfaithful dispositions, the lack of love among one another is becoming more prevelant. I think it is very much a individual choice at this point and I believe as long as we maintain our faith continue praying studying and worshipping Jehovah that he is understanding that each of us is in a different place and remain, return or fade for various reasons. For myself I can't help but think and feel it's best for me spiritually, mentally etc that I don't but I still have to really prayerfully consider it. I am so conflicted about it all. It's so tough I can't believe the conflict I am going through right now. I know I am not alone and it helps to have people in this this thread who truly understand my dilemma. We can relate to one another. It's helps alot it provides support so I very much appreciate all yoyr comments.
You are DEFINITELY not alone
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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I just came home from the kingdom hall. First meeting I have gone to in a very long time. It was hard returning knowing the truth about the watchtower and satanic influence that is present within Jehovahs organization however I do know that Jehovah has directed me to return. I believe it is to fulfill prophecy regarding the end times and tge harvest that is to transpire soon. Also I believe if the time presents itself for me to speak out on certain matters regarding prophecy or the impending judgement to come that I can certainly be that voice. The entire congregation is still wearing masks which I was the only who was not. A elder at the end of the meeting asked if I had JW.ORG app and I told him while holding my physical Bible that I do not go on there I just pray to Jehovah and study his word straight from his word. I did feel like directing him to E-Watchman but didn't think that would go over very well lol. I asked why everyone is still wearing masks and he said it is strongly advised still. I said I don't think Jehovah has advised that I think Jehovah would want us to all enjoy one another smiling faces. It became awkward for a second and i then we parted ways right thereafter. He also asked if I want to get baptized and want to start back into the ministry and I politely told him I am taking it slow and praying to Jehovah to guide my next steps.
 

PJ54

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I just came home from the kingdom hall. First meeting I have gone to in a very long time. It was hard returning knowing the truth about the watchtower and satanic influence that is present within Jehovahs organization however I do know that Jehovah has directed me to return. I believe it is to fulfill prophecy regarding the end times and tge harvest that is to transpire soon. Also I believe if the time presents itself for me to speak out on certain matters regarding prophecy or the impending judgement to come that I can certainly be that voice. The entire congregation is still wearing masks which I was the only who was not. A elder at the end of the meeting asked if I had JW.ORG app and I told him while holding my physical Bible that I do not go on there I just pray to Jehovah and study his word straight from his word. I did feel like directing him to E-Watchman but didn't think that would go over very well lol. I asked why everyone is still wearing masks and he said it is strongly advised still. I said I don't think Jehovah has advised that I think Jehovah would want us to all enjoy one another smiling faces. It became awkward for a second and i then we parted ways right thereafter. He also asked if I want to get baptized and want to start back into the ministry and I politely told him I am taking it slow and praying to Jehovah to guide my next steps.
It's good you mentioned that you wanted to take it slow. Some people tend to act with haste & like any moving vehicle moving quickly, control of the situation can be lost.
 
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Jehovahsloyalchild

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It's good you mentioned that you wanted to take it slow. Some people tend to act with haste & like any moving vehicle moving quickly, control of the situation can be lost.
I am very cautious when it comes to all things especially my return to meetings. I will not give up my freedom of speech by becoming baptized nor will I be sharing in the ministry unless I can share straight from the Bible or the coming of Jesus brochure by Robert King which as I am sure we all know won't be a option. I will not be part of handing out and promoting the WT propaganda. I returned only because Jehovah wants me there. For what purpose I can only speculate at the present time but I know he does...I prayed for a very long time prior to my returning and he answered my prayers and it was not the answer I wanted believe me I didn't want to go back especially after knowing the truth about the truth but I will always obey Jehovah so back to the meetings I go.
 
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