Veil lifted on possible mark? Biometric ID needed in Iran for food.

Jah-son

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Can I just say that I find this all mighty interesting and I love the deep digging in the Scripture ❤️ Thank you all 🥰
I agree and this is more evidence that this is a true congregation where we are allowed the freedom to express our viewpoints without being chastised for having an original thought that isn't ordained by the "channel".
This is what we are supposed to do...we are bible students after all. We are all "brothers" as Jesus made clear... None above the other, respectfully hashing out ideas, roving about in Gods holy writings. This is how holy spirit is activated and generated is it not? Feel the flow!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I’m going to do a bit of research, however, the cross reference is interesting too at Luke 21:21-23: “Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people.”

So Luke speaks of 3 different situations. One is those in Judea, the 2nd is those in the midst of her and the third is those in the countryside. It cannot be a literal fleeing from a physical location as it was in the first century. Perhaps someone else on the forum can chime in. Otherwise I’ll do a bit of research and see what I come up with.
That is an interesting reference in Luke 21: 21-23
 

SusanB

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"those in Judea" ?= those living in branch facilities (actual physical relocation required)
"in the midst of her" ?= attending meetings in-person
"in the countryside" ?= attending meetings remotely

Very interesting subject for further meditation. Thank you.
It’s only guessing at this point and I have to wonder if this part of the prophecy has any fulfillment outside of the first century. But if I had to guess I would agree that those in Judea might be full time workers, those in the midst of her would perhaps be the anointed and those in the countryside perhaps the great crowd? It’s just speculation.
 

SusanB

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@Driven In reading this article it states “Did not Jesus indicate that even in the larger fulfillment Christians will be required to take decisive action to flee from the danger zone when the disgusting thing stands where it ought not?“ So the answer to my original question as stated in the article lies in Matthew 24: 17-22 Then the article goes on to say “That the admonition applies to Christians in the future and not merely those living in Judaea in the first century is evident from the span of verses immediately following where Jesus went on to say….in verses 23-28.
I understand what these scriptures are stating….but how is it that this explains we are to flee?
@Jgremillion83

Regarding your question on how do Christians “flee”, I think it is obviously not literal. As per Brother Robert King’s article he points to Matthew 24:23-28 as the evidence that the admonition to flee applies to Christians in the future. I would agree with him and I think those scriptures also indicate how we are to “flee”. We are not to fall for the false prophets saying the Christ is here or there. The chosen ones cannot be deceived because they will have seen Jesus, but the rest of us could be deceived. So this matches what I had previously been thinking that we flee by not being under the control of the Watchtower Org and not blindly believing their lies. I have no doubt more lies are to come to fulfill these scriptures. We must test everything to see if it matches scriptures. We are told to do that at 1 John 4:1 and Jesus commends the symbolic congregation of Ephesus for testing those who say they are apostles but they are not, see Revelation 2:2.

Of course, we cannot know how every detail will be fulfilled until we see it. It is so wonderful that we are all on this forum and examining the scriptures. Let’s try to commit them to memory so that when the fulfillment happens and due to Jehovah’s holy spirit we will then recognize it. Here is the reason that we cannot know everything right now, Isaiah 48:5-8: “I told you long ago. Before it came about, I caused you to hear it, So that you could not say, ‘My idol did this; My carved image and my metal image commanded this.’ You have heard and seen all of this. Will you not declare it? From now on I am announcing new things to you, Guarded secrets that you have not known. Only now are they being created, and not long ago, Things that you never heard before today, So that you cannot say, ‘Look! I already know them.’ No, you have not heard, you have not known, And in the past your ears were not opened. For I know that you are very treacherous, And you have been called a transgressor from birth.”

I think we all are grateful that we learned the basic truth about Jehovah through the organized preaching and meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And, now we have come to this forum and are learning about prophecies and what is to happen in the days ahead. But even if someone, like Brother Robert King, was able to understand every detail, would it not be a temptation to blindly follow him, which is the same error that we are seeing with those following the Governing Body? So, Jehovah has reserved or kept secret some of the understanding of his prophecies because he wants us to rightly give the credit to him and to look to him in full faith.

I feel as the Ethiopian Eunuch when he admitted he needed guidance to understand the bible. But through diligent study, reasoning, considering valid viewpoints and prayer, I think we can have faith that Jehovah will continue to guide us. We should continue to dig into his word and keep it fresh in mind so that when he chooses to reveal it to us, we will then know how we should act and where we should go.
 

Medi-tator

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through diligent study, reasoning, considering valid viewpoints and prayer, I think we can have faith that Jehovah will continue to guide us. We should continue to dig into his word and keep it fresh in mind so that when he chooses to reveal it to us, we will then know how we should act and where we should go.
What an awesome couple of sentences there Driven! Your entire post is very encouraging, thank you!!
 

LifeLearning

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@Jgremillion83

Regarding your question on how do Christians “flee”, I think it is obviously not literal. As per Brother Robert King’s article he points to Matthew 24:23-28 as the evidence that the admonition to flee applies to Christians in the future. I would agree with him and I think those scriptures also indicate how we are to “flee”. We are not to fall for the false prophets saying the Christ is here or there. The chosen ones cannot be deceived because they will have seen Jesus, but the rest of us could be deceived. So this matches what I had previously been thinking that we flee by not being under the control of the Watchtower Org and not blindly believing their lies. I have no doubt more lies are to come to fulfill these scriptures. We must test everything to see if it matches scriptures. We are told to do that at 1 John 4:1 and Jesus commends the symbolic congregation of Ephesus for testing those who say they are apostles but they are not, see Revelation 2:2.

Of course, we cannot know how every detail will be fulfilled until we see it. It is so wonderful that we are all on this forum and examining the scriptures. Let’s try to commit them to memory so that when the fulfillment happens and due to Jehovah’s holy spirit we will then recognize it. Here is the reason that we cannot know everything right now, Isaiah 48:5-8: “I told you long ago. Before it came about, I caused you to hear it, So that you could not say, ‘My idol did this; My carved image and my metal image commanded this.’ You have heard and seen all of this. Will you not declare it? From now on I am announcing new things to you, Guarded secrets that you have not known. Only now are they being created, and not long ago, Things that you never heard before today, So that you cannot say, ‘Look! I already know them.’ No, you have not heard, you have not known, And in the past your ears were not opened. For I know that you are very treacherous, And you have been called a transgressor from birth.”

I think we all are grateful that we learned the basic truth about Jehovah through the organized preaching and meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And, now we have come to this forum and are learning about prophecies and what is to happen in the days ahead. But even if someone, like Brother Robert King, was able to understand every detail, would it not be a temptation to blindly follow him, which is the same error that we are seeing with those following the Governing Body? So, Jehovah has reserved or kept secret some of the understanding of his prophecies because he wants us to rightly give the credit to him and to look to him in full faith.

I feel as the Ethiopian Eunuch when he admitted he needed guidance to understand the bible. But through diligent study, reasoning, considering valid viewpoints and prayer, I think we can have faith that Jehovah will continue to guide us. We should continue to dig into his word and keep it fresh in mind so that when he chooses to reveal it to us, we will then know how we should act and where we should go.
Great post Driven. Nothing is beyond our own understanding. There are also things that are not given to us to understand. We should never accept things that seem strange: because we KNOW Jehovah and Jesus very well.

The watchtower has become as a prophet that stopped up his ears. Jehovah will not speak to that prophet. Rather he sends his instruction through another. (certainly by Robert King)

And the message to the watchtower prophet: “Are you coming to inquire of me? ‘As surely as I am alive, I will not respond to your inquiry,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.”’ (Ez 20:2)

Truly, the governing body is not the channel they say they are.
 

Nomex

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We must test everything to see if it matches scriptures. We are told to do that at 1 John 4:1 and Jesus commends the symbolic congregation of Ephesus for testing those who say they are apostles but they are not, see Revelation 2:2.
I have been thinking about this a lot. How did anyone in the past know that someone was a prophet for example. In the case of Moses, Jehovah gave him the ability to perform great miracles. I was thinking how the GB loves to use the rebel Korah as an example of how Jehovah feels about going against his chosen ones, I.E. them. The only problem is, the entire nation of Israel and Egypt were eye witnesses to the fact that Moses was chosen by Jehovah as his prophet by means of the miracles he performed in the name of Jehovah. And the news spread to the surrounding nations.

I would be the first to agree the WT has accomplished great things, but this reminds of an argument a Catholic made to back up that the Catholics were the true religion because they organized the Bible canon. It's an absurd false equivalency. King Saul started out with Jehovah's blessing, Solomon, was blessed greatly by Jehovah, Jesus even picked Judas, as one of the original Apostles. Making a claim of great accomplishments doesn't really mean anything. What about multi billion dollar corporations, like Amazon. Does their success mean they have Jehovah's blessing?

But more importantly, even if someone or even something started out with Jehovah's blessing doesn't mean it will stay that way.

My point is this, the Bible said the miracles would end, so the only "credentials" the GB have to back up their claim of being the "faithful slave" has got to come from God's completed word. In other words we do not take their word for it. If that were the case why read the bible. The bible is their "cred"! They use the bible as their "proof" of who they say they are by simply reading it and applying it to themselves, in other words we know they are the GB because they say so. Regardless, we still need to be eye witnesses of some kind of proof, and if what we get instead is evidence other wise, and ignore it, can we really say we are followers of Christ? What's the proof? What they do and do not do is the proof, and what they are trying to cover up! And desperately trying to cover up!

I know I keep saying this but it bears repeating. If you believe Satan is the ruler of this world, and the father of the lie, then your postition is everything coming from his system/world is a lie unless proven other wise. Romans 13 does not change that fact.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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@Jgremillion83

Regarding your question on how do Christians “flee”, I think it is obviously not literal. As per Brother Robert King’s article he points to Matthew 24:23-28 as the evidence that the admonition to flee applies to Christians in the future. I would agree with him and I think those scriptures also indicate how we are to “flee”. We are not to fall for the false prophets saying the Christ is here or there. The chosen ones cannot be deceived because they will have seen Jesus, but the rest of us could be deceived. So this matches what I had previously been thinking that we flee by not being under the control of the Watchtower Org and not blindly believing their lies. I have no doubt more lies are to come to fulfill these scriptures. We must test everything to see if it matches scriptures. We are told to do that at 1 John 4:1 and Jesus commends the symbolic congregation of Ephesus for testing those who say they are apostles but they are not, see Revelation 2:2.

Of course, we cannot know how every detail will be fulfilled until we see it. It is so wonderful that we are all on this forum and examining the scriptures. Let’s try to commit them to memory so that when the fulfillment happens and due to Jehovah’s holy spirit we will then recognize it. Here is the reason that we cannot know everything right now, Isaiah 48:5-8: “I told you long ago. Before it came about, I caused you to hear it, So that you could not say, ‘My idol did this; My carved image and my metal image commanded this.’ You have heard and seen all of this. Will you not declare it? From now on I am announcing new things to you, Guarded secrets that you have not known. Only now are they being created, and not long ago, Things that you never heard before today, So that you cannot say, ‘Look! I already know them.’ No, you have not heard, you have not known, And in the past your ears were not opened. For I know that you are very treacherous, And you have been called a transgressor from birth.”

I think we all are grateful that we learned the basic truth about Jehovah through the organized preaching and meetings of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And, now we have come to this forum and are learning about prophecies and what is to happen in the days ahead. But even if someone, like Brother Robert King, was able to understand every detail, would it not be a temptation to blindly follow him, which is the same error that we are seeing with those following the Governing Body? So, Jehovah has reserved or kept secret some of the understanding of his prophecies because he wants us to rightly give the credit to him and to look to him in full faith.

I feel as the Ethiopian Eunuch when he admitted he needed guidance to understand the bible. But through diligent study, reasoning, considering valid viewpoints and prayer, I think we can have faith that Jehovah will continue to guide us. We should continue to dig into his word and keep it fresh in mind so that when he chooses to reveal it to us, we will then know how we should act and where we should go.
@Driven
You‘re absolutely right! I truly believe Jehovah is using this forum to help guide our thinking on these matters of prophecy for example. Pointing to Isaiah 48:5-8 reminded me of what I was reading in Robert’s book the other day, it makes so much sense and it similar to how Jehovah has had to deal with his people at other times. This is a good reason we can’t know everything now and it helps to reflect on this by enduring and strengthening our faith in Jah.

So as we move in time closer to Jehovah’s day I need to keep reflecting on these gems and continue to dig into his word. Although I’ve been in this organization 37 years in my heart and mind I was serving Jehovah and I’m forever grateful for learning those basic truths about Jehovah and preaching the good news about God’s Kingdom. That’s what helped me to remain close to, not this organization but to Jehovah.

A few years ago I had decided that I wanted to really get to know Jehovah, but only by reading his word and to learn how he dealt with his servants, but without the aid of the publications. I prayed about it and would only use the Insight book to serve as direction to a particular servant or account in the Bible, for example David, then knowing where to go to read about how Jehovah was guiding him all the years of his life. Reading only those chapters and verses, then meditating on them. I then realized that this helped me to get to know Jehovah personally, he came to be in clear focus.
So many things I was seeing for the first time.

I really believe that it was because of this that I wasn’t taken in by the organization’s way of handling the pandemic. When I was seeing the reaction of the friends to the GB ‘instructions’ I couldn’t believe it! I wanted to scream ‘what are you doing? What about Jehovah and Jesus‘ guidance?’ I was blown away by what was being said and what I was seeing! I always thought that if I ever detached myself from the organization I would no longer have Jehovah. But to my surprise when I decided ( and my husband as well) I no longer wanted to be a part of this organization it was as if Jehovah lifted the veil away from my eyes and I knew that Jehovah was still with me! It was amazing!

I do appreciate Brother Robert King for helping us to see and understand clearly that not Christendom but Watchtower are the ones that the prophets pointed to for our day. That was something that puzzled me for years. It is my hope that we have all learned a lesson from blindly following men and for brother King to not know every detail to explain to us is a wonderful thing. That way we keep Jehovah in focus and wait on him to reveal all things in his time. Thank you so much @Driven for taking your time out to help me understand this. Sharing your thoughts along with Jehovah’s way of thinking on these matters has helped me more than you know.
 
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Meticulous

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@Driven At Matthew 24:16 was Jesus also referring to God’s people in our day? If so how do we “flee” when this event takes place? Any thoughts?
I've been thinking a lot about this and felt it's linked to the new Jerusalem. The spirit anointed Christians. Which is in a sense jehovah's organization. When the disgusting thing infiltrates that organization (the great city) the desolating of her is near. It's the only worldwide Jerusalem that seems might fit. God's people that reject him. It would take great faith for people to separate themselves from the Governing Body.
 
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Paul resiliente

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From my understanding the “disgusting thing” appears either just prior to or at the beginning if the Great Tribulation, see Matthew 24:15-22: “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains. Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.”

However, the mark of the beast will be issued by the 8th King/beast, which won’t appear until the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13 gets its mortal wound that is then healed. The appearance of the 8th King/wild beath happens after the Great Tribulation is cut short, according to how I read Revelation 13. The way I understand it, this is the period of the 42 months when people will have to choose God’s Kingdom or Satan’s rulership as expressed through the 8th King/wild beast.
Mark 666 is required by "The 2-horned beast that comes out of the earth and exercises all the authority of the first beast in his sight." On top of that "Executes great signals to deceive". The 8th king or 7-headed beast would seem to be a puppet of this 2-horned beast, which I personally believe, due to the activity mentioned in Revelation in chapter 13, is of a religious - magical - administrative nature and is very similar to the world economic forum and the transhumanist activity promoted by said group and its authority over rulers in general.
 

BagdadBill

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Anyway, if you’re not prepping already, better start stocking up on food while there is still time.

Earlier today I was in a conversation with a young woman who knows. She has been aware of the globalist plans for a long time, so she said. I got around to food. She told me she had been stocking up and someone broke into her home and ripped her off. This will happen.

Whatever it turns out to be that they demand, whether it be a physical mark or some other thing, I don't think we will have to guess. I may have said this before but Satan wants a definitive decision to rebel and reject Jehovah for whatever it is that will be demanded of us. I have no reason to believe that we won't know we are choosing death over disloyalty.
They have been working on so many technologies and one of the issues that I see is like David Icke says. The people in the main circle know everything or everything except what Satan keeps from them. Then you go out a circle and they know less. It sure seems like he is popping up all over the place lately.
 

Carl

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The people in the main circle know everything or everything except what Satan keeps from them. Then you go out a circle and they know less.
I believe the Satanists in the innermost circle have already made their MOTB choice in order to qualify to be in the inner circle. Maybe even some in the outer rings as well.
 

LifeLearning

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I believe the Satanists in the innermost circle have already made their MOTB choice in order to qualify to be in the inner circle. Maybe even some in the outer rings as well.
You may be right, because the Satanists go out of their way to tread on everything that is good, and likely intentionally curse the holy spirit.

...every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.Matt12:31-32
 
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