What blasphemy!

[Nomex]

as long as what they say is scriptural.

Well, there you go...nothing they say is actually scriptural. Jesus did not appointed the GB, and as I have contended for years the Elders. The only evidence we have they have been appointed to anything is as i have said so many times, "all we have to do is ask them" and by their own testimony they will claim they are appointed. Not to mention, more and more often, as they quote themselves, I.E. WT as their "source" for "Biblical truth".

Jesus was not telling his apostles to pray in the public places, or add extra long fringes, or all the other things they did which was going beyond what was written. Jesus was talking about the things they said, that came from the Bible, that they themselves were not doing. That's where the saying, "Do as they say not as they are doing" comes from.

hang on to the idea that they are committing blasphemy

I have to respectfully disagree with RK on this. Think about this, why is it that the Pharisees cannot be resurrected? You can make the argument it is because they killed Jesus, but they had to have the mental attitude that allowed them to do that first. So it was their mentality that allowed themselves to elevate themselves, in the same way that Korah did, when he went against Moses. Korah was killed essentially for blasphemy.


To better understand this let's look at the definition of blasphemy. The first definition says this: "Contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity."

So, what is it WT, their helpers and the GB doing....they are, "Contemptuous in their actions toward God!" It is the same arrogance that allowed Satan to defy his creator. It's very important we understand all the elements that define words. Contemptuous means what? I'm glad you asked.


"Contempt: The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn." When you can no longer quote the bible to back up your doctrine, that is contempt! That is the bible is inferior, worthless even. Certainly worthless in backing up their doctrinal claims!


So sorry, the GB and WT are in fact blasphemous, just look up the definition!


Moses was actually picked by God as his representative, and had the ten plagues for example as his back up to that claim. What evidence does the GB have to back up their claim? The answer, NONE. Which to me is surprising Robert doesn't see it that way, since he's provided some of the best proof that they are blasphemers!

I guess I love to dislike the GB a little bit too much.

Nope that's not it, they really are that bad! In fact I'll go one further and say, it is the most serious sin of them all. It is by definition sinning against God's Holy Spirit. The fact that they can give people Bible truth, educate them about the divine name, the truth about what happens to us when we die, the purpose for the earth etc, and then turn so many of those same people away from Jehovah, by their lies about 1914, their handling of CSA, the way they handle DF'ing, and more...they are the worst enemies of God on earth.

They are the "wolves in sheeps clothing." No excuse for them, and I do not see a way out for them. Oh, and what ever happen to Tony Morris? Another self appointed "ruler along side Jesus", that even they had to admit, albeit as quietly as possible, they were wrong, yet again. Oh wait i'm sorry, they didn't actually admit anything, they just swept it under the rug and pretend nothing happened!


Make no mistake, they are blasphemers!

 

[Watchman]

The issue is not so much what the GB says now. The question is, what will they say then? When is "then"? When Christ suddenly arrives like a thief in the night, when it becomes obvious 1914 was a delusion.

When Is “Then”?

Thursday, July 21 People will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations.—Matt. 24:9. As followers of Christ and Witnesses of Jehovah, we are persecuted in nations around the world. This is to be expected.

e-watchman.com

 

[Niobium]

The issue is not so much what the GB says now. The question is, what will they say then? When is "then"? When Christ suddenly arrives like a thief in the night, when it becomes obvious 1914 was a delusion.

When Is “Then”?

Thursday, July 21 People will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations.—Matt. 24:9. As followers of Christ and Witnesses of Jehovah, we are persecuted in nations around the world. This is to be expected.

e-watchman.com

Let's hope it's soon!

 

[MickHewitt]

Let's hope it's soon!

Can't be long now...Definitely since cancelling the 'Phantom of the Opera'.... makes sense now he's outed. That's been the only news in the U.K today plus the depressing increase in the nation's bowel cancer and the usual sporting trivia and weather. They must be attending some damage control behind the scenes!

 

[MickHewitt]

Can't be long now...Definitely since cancelling the 'Phantom of the Opera'.... makes sense now he's outed. That's been the only news in the U.K today plus the depressing increase in the nation's bowel cancer and the usual sporting trivia and weather. They must be attending some damage control behind the scenes!

Incase any chins are down outhere! Get through this and look Hos 2:17,18 "And they will no longer be remembered by their name (Watchtower)...In that day I will make covenant for them with wild animals of the field, birds of the heavens and creeping things of the ground...I will rid the land of war and make them lie down in security"'"

 

[Medi-tator]

Well, there you go...nothing they say is actually scriptural. Jesus did not appointed the GB, and as I have contended for years the Elders. The only evidence we have they have been appointed to anything is as i have said so many times, "all we have to do is ask them" and by their own testimony they will claim they are appointed. Not to mention, more and more often, as they quote themselves, I.E. WT as their "source" for "Biblical truth".

Jesus was not telling his apostles to pray in the public places, or add extra long fringes, or all the other things they did which was going beyond what was written. Jesus was talking about the things they said, that came from the Bible, that they themselves were not doing. That's where the saying, "Do as they say not as they are doing" comes from.

I have to respectfully disagree with RK on this. Think about this, why is it that the Pharisees cannot be resurrected? You can make the argument it is because they killed Jesus, but they had to have the mental attitude that allowed them to do that first. So it was their mentality that allowed themselves to elevate themselves, in the same way that Korah did, when he went against Moses. Korah was killed essentially for blasphemy.


To better understand this let's look at the definition of blasphemy. The first definition says this: "Contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity."

So, what is it WT, their helpers and the GB doing....they are, "Contemptuous in their actions toward God!" It is the same arrogance that allowed Satan to defy his creator. It's very important we understand all the elements that define words. Contemptuous means what? I'm glad you asked.


"Contempt: The feeling or attitude of regarding someone or something as inferior, base, or worthless; scorn." When you can no longer quote the bible to back up your doctrine, that is contempt! That is the bible is inferior, worthless even. Certainly worthless in backing up their doctrinal claims!


So sorry, the GB and WT are in fact blasphemous, just look up the definition!


Moses was actually picked by God as his representative, and had the ten plagues for example as his back up to that claim. What evidence does the GB have to back up their claim? The answer, NONE. Which to me is surprising Robert doesn't see it that way, since he's provided some of the best proof that they are blasphemers!


Nope that's not it, they really are that bad! In fact I'll go one further and say, it is the most serious sin of them all. It is by definition sinning against God's Holy Spirit. The fact that they can give people Bible truth, educate them about the divine name, the truth about what happens to us when we die, the purpose for the earth etc, and then turn so many of those same people away from Jehovah, by their lies about 1914, their handling of CSA, the way they handle DF'ing, and more...they are the worst enemies of God on earth.

They are the "wolves in sheeps clothing." No excuse for them, and I do not see a way out for them. Oh, and what ever happen to Tony Morris? Another self appointed "ruler along side Jesus", that even they had to admit, albeit as quietly as possible, they were wrong, yet again. Oh wait i'm sorry, they didn't actually admit anything, they just swept it under the rug and pretend nothing happened!


Make no mistake, they are blasphemers!

Holy blasphemous blaspheming Batman Brother Nomex! Now that is the Brother I know and love! Other than your "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one" writings, this post of yours could very possibly be your best work ever!

 

[Watchman]

Well, there you go...nothing they say is actually scriptural. Jesus did not appointed the GB, and as I have contended for years the Elders. The only evidence we have they have been appointed to anything is as i have said so many times, "all we have to do is ask them" and by their own testimony they will claim they are appointed. Not to mention, more and more often, as they quote themselves, I.E. WT as their "source" for "Biblical truth".

Actually, Jesus did appoint a group of slaves to feed his domestics their food at the proper time. However, it is yet to be determined whether the slaves have been faithful and discreet or wicked. If you don't believe that you don't believe Jesus. And that ain't good.

 

[alan ford]

According to David Splane there was no FDS for almost 2000 years...

 

[Watchman]

According to David Splane there was no FDS for almost 2000 years...

He was right. Jesus only appoints a slave to feed his people prior to his coming.

 

[alan ford]

He was right. Jesus only appoints a slave to feed his people prior to his coming.

So does that mean that he didn't appoint Peter when he said "feed my sheep" prior to his departure? To feed them from the time he departed until his return. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion... If that is true, then when was the slave appointed?

edit: I'm aware of the fact that the "second appointment" is after the master's return. But still, how do we know when the first appointment occured?

 

[SusanB]

I’m very tired today from work, but this thread is bothering my thoughts. I think something must be getting lost in the back and forth. Some comments are quite long while other comments almost seem incomplete. It confuses me. But what it does make me think of is the message being conveyed by Jesus to the anointed in Revelation chapters 2 and 3. I won’t quote those because we can each look those up for ourselves and hopefully if any are feeling disconcerted as well it may help. The congregations that Jesus addresses are obviously the anointed ones and they do have an assignment. Clearly there are false ones and faithful ones as well as those who just go along to get along or in other words PERHAPS “lukewarm”. I think its natural that we each have strong feelings about our understanding of scripture because we clearly have to be on guard to what is false. What is false is what would be a deviation from what Jesus taught. And, yet there can be uncertainty about the full meaning of many scriptures. It just isn’t always easy to get a clear understanding. The touchstone though is always the scriptures along with prayer and waiting for Jehovah to make it clear.

From what I can understand from Revelation Chapters 2 and 3, is that when Jesus comes to judge the anointed, they will be judged individually according to what they did or didn’t do. They are initially addressed as congregations, but their correction or commendation is based on their individual situation. I cannot accept that any imperfect person can describe their voice as like Jesus‘ voice or likened to Jesus’ voice. I can accept that they teach and promote Jesus’ teachings. Maybe my brain is broken and that is a distinction without a difference but to me those are 2 very different things.

 

[Nomex]

Actually, Jesus did appoint a group of slaves to feed his domestics their food at the proper time. However, it is yet to be determined whether the slaves have been faithful and discreet or wicked.

Indeed, you'll get no argument from me about that, the question remains though, when Jesus does his actual inspection, the real one not the 1918,1919 fantasy one, and he finds the slave to "be an evil slave", then that means two things. 1) that slave was not feeding his domestics food at the proper time, I mean the evil slave not only did he not feed the domestics, he buried it, and 2) if that is the case, then they do NOT speak for Jesus, especially because of the fact they are and have been going "beyond the things written."

Keep in mind also, in Jesus day, there was not even the possibility for a person to even have one Bible in their household, let alone each person in a household, like today, and some even having several copies.

I would also say, that the fake 1914 parasousia, and Jesus inspection in 1919, is pretty definitive evidence. Not to mention the fact they are fulfilling the prophecy in 2 Thess. 2:4 ..."so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god." A scripture I don't remember WT EVER covering, in all the years I have been a JW. A scripture I only became familiar with when I found you RK, and this site and your information. I would never in all my years even think WT or the GB could be apostate. Inconceivable. I made every possible excuse in the book, to excuse anything and everything they were and have done wrong. I wouldn't let myself question anything.

It wasn't until Covid, something I had made up my mind about maybe two decades that is to say in a general sense, that when they crossed that line, there was no going back. If however, they had foreseen this particular detail, and had spent decades brain washing the "domestics" on the subject of how great and wonderful the medical profession is, even a "provision from Jehovah" maybe even now I'd still be in a slumber.

However, the reason you got my ear in the first place, is because of the respect you maintain for the things WT has gotten right. So I think on this detail it's just a matter of perspective. And I very much respect your perspective even if I don't agree. I will be the first to admit I have a lot to learn, we are all constantly learning, that is if we allow ourselves to, and I have had my understanding and perspective refined in a way that has been completely unexpected and I have learned so much since all this happened.

 

[Nomex]

I cannot accept that any imperfect person can describe their voice as like Jesus‘ voice or likened to Jesus’ voice.

I couldn't agree more.

I think something must be getting lost in the back and forth.

I think you absolutely nailed that, and I hinted at that in my last reply to RK.

 

[Nomex]

The touchstone though is always the scriptures along with prayer and waiting for Jehovah to make it clear.

I think this really is the most important thing. I have been thinking a lot about what even Jesus apostles expected of Jesus and how much they got wrong. I think the real clarity will come when Jesus actually returns and does something similar to Penetacost 33C.E. Pour out his holy spirit on his brothers, and then the true light will be revealed. When he reveals himself to the remaining ones, I think that teaching and preaching work will be unprecedented. It will be what you would expect from Christ's second coming.

 

[mts]

Interesting... likened defines as, to resemble, submit defines as yielding to an authority (surrender). So, question, if a R&F member does not submit to a GB strong recommendation or direction, ultimately would he be resisting or opposing that authority, ie Jesus? Consequently, would he be an example to the flock? Lastly, would he thereby qualify to continue in any R&F title? Just makes me think how this could be applied at the organizational level.

 

[KevinB]

Actually, Jesus did appoint a group of slaves to feed his domestics their food at the proper time. However, it is yet to be determined whether the slaves have been faithful and discreet or wicked. If you don't believe that you don't believe Jesus. And that ain't good.

And when sir does that happen?

 

[Nomex]

And when sir does that happen?

Exodus 4:1 However, Moses answered: But suppose they do not believe me and do not listen to your voice, for they will say, 'Jehovah did not appear to you.'" 2. The Jehovah said to him, "What is in your hand?" He answered: A Watchtower magazine." 3. Open it up and read the part about how they will be disfellowshipped, left behind in Egypt and wish they were dead." 5. ...this is so that they may believe that Jehovah, the God of their forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has appeared to you. Because if they even think about doubting you, they will be shunned, and already dead in heaven! I Jehovah your God has spoken it." 6. Jehovah said to him once more: "Put your hand , please into the upper fold of your garment." So he put his hand into the upper fold of his garment. When he drew it out, why, in his hand was another Watchtower magazine. 7. Then he said, "Return your hand into the upper fold of your garment." So he returned his hand into his garment. When he drew it out of the garment, there was yet another Watchtower magazine. He then commanded him to read from it. Moses then read from it, and it said, "Unity, is more important than God's blessing."
verse, 9... "Still, even if they will not believe these two Watchtower magazines, and refuse to listen to your voice, go down to the Nile River, place your Watchtower magazine into the river, and drop it on dry land, and those two Watchtower magazines will turn into three magazines which justify disfellowshipping the whole assembly of rebels. Because they refused to believe what Watchtower has printed. 10. Moses now said to Jehovah, "Pardon me, Jehovah, but don't you think some miraculous evidence, I don't know, maybe a staff turning into a snake, and back into a staff, a physical illness appearing and then disappearing, turning water into blood, would actually give evidence dare I say even, proof that you sent me?" 12. Jehovah said, "the Watchtower is enough!"

 

[Arctic Cat]

But remember Jesus’s words at Matthew 15:14
“Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

I hope many will wake up before it’s too late. Quite a few loved ones in my family are still following their lead.

i hope so too Ladyblue.. but i think there is a subtle change taking place now.. at least i can feel very slight change in attitudes from my family members after i stopped saying anything but for citing a few scriptures, and just keep trying to be loving and kind. my mother knows very well now my position and shes puzzled it seems how i get strength to do what im doing against all odds if Jah didnt help me? and how could he help me do this if im an apostate and the gb are the voice of christ and gods channel? 😉 on their fruits you shall know them

 

[Nomex]

hose two Watchtower magazines will turn into three magazines

verse 32. And it was so. Then it came to pass, those three Watchtower magazines became thousands of Watchtower magazines for 150 years and counting...and God saw that it was good."

 

[Watchman]

And when sir does that happen?

Obviously, before Jesus returns.