Has the Watchtower been infiltrated by Freemasons?

dgibson969 said:

Stop wasting time about this nonsense. Move on to more important issues.

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You clearly have no understanding how important this symbolism is to these people. This is how they communicate with one another to let those "in the know" know who they are and what their agenda is. If you want to know what's really going on in the world, you need to have an understanding for what these thing mean. I'll tell you who doesn't think it is nonsense, Satan and his demons! They are the originators of all of this! And Jehovah does not think it's "nonsense either!

Nomex said:

Also "The Lucis Trust" the UN's publishing arm has a lot of the same garbage on it.

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There's mention of it on the main site bringing up that group, which is also a link to Alice Bailey.

Nomex said:

This is where I get my idea that once Jehovah stops the GT, the demons will in some way manifest themselves and take credit for "saving mankind" from total annihilation from the GT, that they themselves are behind. It's the classic "problem, reaction, solution", that these people love so much. Possibly materializing themselves again, but claim they are advanced aliens, and as Robert pointed out in another thread they have great power and can use "black magic" to display their power!

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If you look at the first post on the older thread "Alien/Demon Correlation?", the pictures there have some interesting insight. You may have seen over a year ago.

StopTheInsanity said:

Are you serious? A demon is a fallen angel who followed Satan

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Hi StopTheInsanity, You are probably realizing there are trolls on the forum who would like to disrupt the forum with nonsense.

Here is the definition of troll:

Trolling is when someone post or comments online to deliberately upset others. In short: Trolling is when someone deliberately tries to upset others online. Trolling can lead to a pile on, when others join in the attack.

Nomex said:

You clearly have no understanding how important this symbolism is to these people. This is how they communicate with one another to let those "in the know" know who they are and what their agenda is. If you want to know what's really going on in the world, you need to have an understanding for what these thing mean. I'll tell you who doesn't think it is nonsense, Satan and his demons! They are the originators of all of this! And Jehovah does not think it's "nonsense either!

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Yes, true.

However, as I pointed out in my recent comment. . . To accuse those particular brothers of potentially being associated with the Masonic Fraternity, is wrong. . .

You have not provided enough evidence to even suggest it, brother. And again, by you making such claims(which may be untrue), you are in fact, slandering your the brothers, Nomex.

And that's something both Jehovah God and Christ himself, would not approve of.



Leviticus 19:16-18:

"You must not go around spreading slander among your people. . . . . You must not hate your brother in your heart. You should by all means reprove your fellow man, so that you will not bear sin along with him. . . . . . -nor hold a GRUDGE against the sons of your people- and you must love your fellow man, as yourself. I am Jehovah."

Proverbs 6:16-19

There are six things that Jehovah hates; Yes, seven things that he detests. . . . (One of which is): "anyone sowing contentions among brothers."

mellow-077 said:

You have not provided enough evidence to even suggest it, brother. And again, by you making such claims(which may be untrue), you are in fact, slandering your the brothers, Nomex.

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Now you are the one slandering. You won't find a single post where I said any of "my brothers" were Free Masons, not a single one. But like the scripture says, at Matt 7:15-20, Jesus told us how to spot the false prophets "you will know them by their fruits." The very fact that Jesus warns us to be on the lookout for such ones, and he was talking about those from inside the congregation, "brothers", then I think I'll go with that evidence, and assume Jesus knew what he was talking about. The only thing I have ever done is point out the suspicious things they have done and said. There is plenty of leaked information showing what these hand gestures signify, so you can assume they are completely innocent, naively so, since you would not be heeding Jesus council above, but that's your choice! I on the other hand will continue to keep my eyes open and pay attention. And the fact that they had a 10 year secret UN NGO, is all the more reason to suspect them.

mellow-077 said:

Yes, true.

However, as I pointed out in my recent comment. . . To accuse those particular brothers of potentially being associated with the Masonic Fraternity, is wrong. . .

You have not provided enough evidence to even suggest it, brother. And again, by you making such claims(which may be untrue), you are in fact, slandering your the brothers, Nomex.

And that's something both Jehovah God and Christ himself, would not approve of.



Leviticus 19:16-18:

"You must not go around spreading slander among your people. . . . . You must not hate your brother in your heart. You should by all means reprove your fellow man, so that you will not bear sin along with him. . . . . . -nor hold a GRUDGE against the sons of your people- and you must love your fellow man, as yourself. I am Jehovah."

Proverbs 6:16-19

There are six things that Jehovah hates; Yes, seven things that he detests. . . . (One of which is): "anyone sowing contentions among brothers."

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Hi Mellow-077, I agree with the principles you have stated but I also see Nomex’s point. When there is an offensive post, please quote the post you are speaking of so that we can understand specifically who you are addressing and correcting. That will harmonize with the principles that you are stating and I agree with those principles. But, I also agree with having “conversations” in generalities too and some of those conversations may be controversial. I think with the level of betrayal we will often see “wild talk” and can excuse some of it but your points are valid and important to consider. We should be careful when making any allegation especially when naming a person.

Nomex said:

Now you are the one slandering. You won't find a single post where I said any of "my brothers" were Free Masons, not a single one. But like the scripture says, at Matt 7:15-20, Jesus told us how to spot the false prophets "you will know them by their fruits." The very fact that Jesus warns us to be on the lookout for such ones, and he was talking about those from inside the congregation, "brothers", then I think I'll go with that evidence, and assume Jesus knew what he was talking about. The only thing I have ever done is point out the suspicious things they have done and said. There is plenty of leaked information showing what these hand gestures signify, so you can assume they are completely innocent, naively so, since you would not be heeding Jesus council above, but that's your choice! I on the other hand will continue to keep my eyes open and pay attention. And the fact that they had a 10 year secret UN NGO, is all the more reason to suspect them.

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1. I never claimed, that you said it. But, you have certainly attempted to link or associate the Watchtower Society with the Masonic Organization(by means of symbolism). When in truth, there may not be any correlation, whatsoever.



2. Yes, Jesus did tell us to look out for such ones. But, what does being a false prophet, have to do with you associating the Watchtower Society or contrasting hand gestures of certain brothers, with that of Masonic gestures and symbolism?

mellow-077 said:

1. I never claimed, that you said it. But, you have certainly attempted to link or associate the Watchtower Society with the Masonic Organization(by means of symbolism). When in truth, there may not be any correlation, whatsoever.



2. Yes, Jesus did tell us to look out for such ones. But, what does being a false prophet, have to do with you associating the Watchtower Society or contrasting hand gestures of certain brothers, with that of Masonic gestures and symbolism?

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Thank you for taking the conversation in a more specific direction. I am wondering if you have seen the images in the magazines and if it brought concern to you. Even when I was fully indoctrinated in the organization I couldn’t explain the imagery. Here is an article on it.

I haven't finished watching this yet, since it's five hours long, but it's got a lot of the hand signs in it, showing how many celebrities, politicians, singers, kings, princes, etc. are freemasons.

SusanB said:

Hi StopTheInsanity, You are probably realizing there are trolls on the forum who would like to disrupt the forum with nonsense.

Here is the definition of troll:

Trolling is when someone post or comments online to deliberately upset others. In short: Trolling is when someone deliberately tries to upset others online. Trolling can lead to a pile on, when others join in the attack.

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Yep. That's why I stopped interacting with them. I realized it and said "of course there would be trolls on here. This is a bunch of smart people who have figured out their deceptive plan and aren't falling for it and are talking about it and we gotta STOP that. Who knows who these people are?? Who cares??

mellow-077 said:

1. I never claimed, that you said it. But, you have certainly attempted to link or associate the Watchtower Society with the Masonic Organization(by means of symbolism). When in truth, there may not be any correlation, whatsoever.



2. Yes, Jesus did tell us to look out for such ones. But, what does being a false prophet, have to do with you associating the Watchtower Society or contrasting hand gestures of certain brothers, with that of Masonic gestures and symbolism?

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Here is another article with disturbing facts.

SusanB said:

Here is another article with disturbing facts.

Jehovah's Witnesses - In the Eye of Horus

It may sound odd, but if there is anything that proves Jehovah’s Witnesses are the true faith it is the presence of an evil within. Ironically, an expression of that evil is the belief imposed upon Jehovah’s Witnesses by the leadership of the Watchtower that there is no evil presence. Jehovah’s

e-watchman.com

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I forgot about this. This is all the PROOF you need. RK also posted about this in his other thread. I would add, I have said they WT the GB etc, are blood guilty and blasphemers. I have said that.

StopTheInsanity said:

I haven't finished watching this yet, since it's five hours long, but it's got a lot of the hand signs in it, showing how many celebrities, politicians, singers, kings, princes, etc. are freemasons.

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I think it is possible some of this is unintentional, but it's pretty hard to ignore how many of them use the same hand signs over and over again, like the All Seeing Eye, the hand in the jacket etc. I haven't watched that video you posted but I have watched plenty like it. But the other thing is how they are all linked to one another. Not sure if it was you who said this, but they are like arms of an Octopus, but they have a lot more than 8 legs....LOL!

@StopTheInsanity well appernetly I have watched about 35 minutes of it...LOL. I clicked on it, and it's advanced to the 35 minute mark! HAHA...great minds!

mellow-077 said:

with that of Masonic gestures and symbolism?

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Apparently you just ignore any evidence we show you, like the Free Mason Square and Compass that is part of the Logo for the Gilead Graduation series of videos.


Again this is no accident. That is 100% on purpose.

Nomex said:

Apparently you just ignore any evidence we show you, like the Free Mason Square and Compass that is part of the Logo for the Gilead Graduation series of videos.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODPgmEvtGilead/pub-jwb-098_2_VIDEO

Again this is no accident. That is 100% on purpose.

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Hi Nomex, I had a rider last weekend and we had 2 stops on his ride. The first stop was to pickup his date. The guy is a military officer, a black man, and I heard him say to his date that he is a Mason. He wanted her to know that. It is a real thing but I think that I’ve heard that members don’t know the real core of issues and beliefs until they attain a high rank. I was a “Job’s daughter” for a short time when I was young and I can tell you for certain they use secret hand gestures, the symbols and even when entering their ritual ceremonies, you had to walk in a certain path. I know this first hand. But I was very young and at that time I thought it was so stupid and weird that I quit the group.

Edited to add for those who don’t know, the “Job’s daughter” organization is for female children members in a group affiliated with the Masons and no doubt as indoctrination because they have a lot of secret stuff like a secret friend who gives you gifts anonymously.

Here is a link to one person’s experience with “Job’s daughters” and how it is a branch of the Masons.

It's interesting that someone has brought up slander in this thread. Haven't the unvaccinated been libeled by basically accusing them of causing other people to get sick just by virtue of them not being vaccinated despite having no positive PCR test to prove that they are contagious?

Hasn't Robert King been slandered by DF-ing him as an apostate for calling the GB to the mat for their membership with the UN?

Isn't slander the favorite tool of Freemasons to use to manipulate people into silence and ruining their reputation and discrediting them? Isn't it the ultimate form of gaslighting.

Interesting tidbit tying this all together: the very word "gaslight" comes from the movie "Gaslight" with Ingrid Bergman based on the true-life story of AMA (American Medical Association) President George Simmons who secretly drugged his wife to try and get her declared insane so he could divorce her and go off with his mistress. Can't make this stuff up.

It is not wrong to be suspicious of people who have broken trust. Trust is broken when someone does not act in harmony with principles that they CLAIM to believe. Examples?

1) Claiming to believe that God's Kingdom is the only solution for mankind's problems and pledging total allegiance to it and being neutral to Satan's world and publishing a book saying that the UN is a blasphemous idol that will be destroyed by God and then turning around and secretly joining that very same organization and then lying about it when caught trying to minimize it.

2) Pushing an experiment vaccine on people saying that it's "from God" and that while it's a "personal choice" it's the "only RIGHT choice", making NO mention of side effects of said vaccine and threatening disfellowshipping for "causing divisions" any elder who talks about vaccine injuries of the same flock he's been charged with protecting

3) Having a GB Update about being moderate with alcohol and then not saying a word when there's a video of a GB member buying six bottles of very expensive liquor that has garnered thousands of views. If that happened to a rank and file JW, then surely at least they'd be privately, but mostly likely publicly reproved

4) Removing two videos about disfellowshipping from the 2023 District Convention program a couple of weeks after that program has started and been practiced behind the scenes by elders across the world due to a documentary that came out in Britain speaking negatively about the shunning policy and not telling all the JW's that will be in attendance about the video.

5) Removing the 2015 JW Broadcast where Stephen Lett is asking for donations (even though CT Russell said that that would never happen) and not saying a word about it

6) Editing broadcasts where Tony Morris said that getting an education for nursing is acceptable and then deleting that scene while families have based their decisions for their child's schooling after seeing that broadcast and then later get counselled by the CO for not setting spiritual goals for their children.

7) Having two other GB members stepping down/being removed (Ewart Chitty and another one I can't remember) and never saying a word about it


There are so many secrets kept by this organization that charges its members with "telling the truth all the time" and how we have "THE Truth" and to "be honest in all things". It's utter hypocrisy.

Any reasonable person would start asking questions about who really are these people because they are not playing fair.

To make the charge of slander to someone who is making an observation of conduct and hand signs and rings is unloving.

Now, I haven't seen the post (perhaps it was removed) and no, we don't have proof that ANY of these "brothers" are in fact really Masons, but we sure do have a lot of circumstantial evidence, don't we? And Jesus said "by their fruits you will know them" since bad trees give off bad fruitage and these men have been putting out a lot of bad fruit and so we are BEING OBEDIENT to Jesus counsel to keep on the watch of "wolves in sheeps covering".

If these men would like to answer the charge of why they all wear rings and why they joined the UN and why they pushed the vaccine and why they won't allow the unvaccinated to attend their Theocratic schools even though there is no vaccine mandate, then that might restore trust.

But for now, it's healthy and right to be suspicious. The window for "giving the benefit of the doubt" is long gone. That stopped when I saw people that I care about getting very sick and dying. The gloves came off at that point and FOR GOOD REASON.

SusanB said:

Here is a link to one person’s experience with “Job’s daughters” and how it is a branch of the Masons.

The Big Job's Daughters Secret

I could simply cut to the chase here and tell you that I never did find out what the secret was, but that just wouldn’t be like me. So I’ll...

werejustpassingthru.blogspot.com

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It’s weird that I am just now realizing that they call the regional Job’s daughter‘s organizations, BETHELS!

Nomex said:

Apparently you just ignore any evidence we show you,

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Let's assume for the sake of discussion that your worst case scenario is true, so what? I think it's more important to focus on what exactly does freemasonry mean? It's basically meaningless because it doesn't have a clear mandate. It doesn't have cohesion. Maybe a thousand years ago it was a force to be reckoned with. Nowadays it is just a buzzword and hype and ultimately a distraction. There is no loyalty among their ranks and they will sell each other out in a heartbeat.

But more importantly, no one can stop Jehovah's purpose to have the preaching work done, and return the earth to a paradise, etc etc etc. Not everyone agrees with the watchtower but please inform me as to which other org can we go away to? If you can't answer me without ad hominem then you are just as guilty of cultlike behavior as anyone else.