2022 JW Convention

Ms_ladyblue

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Well said. Its actually frightening to think that they have such unchecked authority. Very much the definition of the classic cult leader. I wonder how much damage Jehovah is willing to allow them to inflict? Anyway, universal law (which Jehovah set in place) will only permit so much before it naturally implodes anyway. A failing dam can only hold so much water before catastrophe strikes and balance is restored. Nature always seeks a balance and these guys are way out of balance.
Well said Jah-son! 👍🏼
 

Sunshower

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I sometimes wonder about Lett and his thinking and expressions. He seems isolated in that there is no one to challenge his choice of words and as a result, he is a figment of his own imagination acting as the spokesman of God. Anything he thinks and says, he justifies in is mind alone.
I was discussing this with my husband and he said that we’re wrong in thinking that Lett is a loose canon. He says exactly what the others think. Otherwise he would get his marching orders like Ray Franz.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I was discussing this with my husband and he said that we’re wrong in thinking that Lett is a loose canon. He says exactly what the others think. Otherwise he would get his marching orders like Ray Franz.
I agree with your husband! I don’t think Lett is a loose canon either….I think all his mates agree with him in the GB and that without doubt, that is their problem. They are even a contradiction in terms. They are happy to take the ice cream money from these “enemies of Jehovah” and thus are in the pay of Satan. They really don’t think these things through. I know I’m being a bit extreme, but they really ask to have their heads examined.
 
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KevinB

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Driven,….Thank you so much for bringing all these points out on this topic.

You‘ve explained that beautifully that our worship of Jehovah does not depend on what this organization does or does not do. Yes, anyone can claim to be anointed or that God is using only them. But how do we know whether or not they’ll remain faithful?
Like you said, God’s word tells us to put them to the test.

And that’s what many of us here have done, left the organization, NOT JEHOVAH!

I know that for years I had nagging small doubts in the back of my mind about certain prophecies that we studied about. But it bothered me because I thought it meant my faith in Jehovah was growing weak.

But what I didn’t realize until about 9 months ago was, most of us were actually indoctrinated by WT so extensively that we thought that leaving the “truth” was equal to leaving Jehovah even though Jehovah was ALWAYS my main focus. I had never held these “leaders“ in high regard, EVER!

When the GB started to gain a celebrity like status I was never impressed. It wasn’t until last year that I could see clearly that they were behind promoting the vaccines and knew that Jehovah couldn’t be behind that. So, I had already been ‘putting them to the test.’

At the moment I knew for sure what was happening it was like I felt more close to Jehovah than I ever had. It seemed like he was reassuring me that he was with me still…and even more because he knew my concerns about all these things happening with the organization and to his people. I know many others who left and have said the same thing, including those on this forum and off this forum as well.

So just because many of us have left the organization, we haven’t left Jehovah. Also, the thought that it’s only up to Jehovah to tell you that you cannot worship him outside the WT is an excellent point and no man can make that judgment. Those are my exact feelings too Driven.

I may have left WT, but once it was clear to me that they were the ones who left Jehovah, it was only within a few weeks I was directed to this forum and found those of you who also left WT.

I thank Jehovah every day that he let me find this forum and all you dear brothers and sisters who still love Jehovah and worship him in spirit and truth. We need to continue to encourage and build one another up even more as we get closer to the (real) end of this old dying world.

Ephesians 6:13 “For this reason take up the complete suit of armor from God, so that you may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after you have accomplished everything, to stand firm.”
The 3 1/2 years will resolve this problem, we will know who's who at the end of it.

Also in regard to "the seal" what about the other sheep?

Should the vision of Revelation's locust plague be of concern to the other sheep? Can the other sheep have a seal and should they be concerned they will be rejected by God if they do not have the seal? Notice Paul's words in Romans 4:11 - “And he (Abraham) received a sign—namely, circumcision—as a seal of the righteousness by the faith he had while in his uncircumcised state, so that he might be the father of all those having faith while uncircumcised, in order for righteousness to be counted to them”. Remember circumcision was merely a sign of that 'seal of righteousness' given to Abraham, and he was referred to as the father to all those having faith. Logically, similar to the anointed, the other sheep must exercise such faith in Christ and demonstrate they have a ‘seal of righteousness' during the 3 ½ years by refusing to worship the wild beast or except its mark.

When the locusts are instructed to harm only those who do not have the seal, it is possible the other sheep could be included in that directive based on the following words of Paul: “You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend.” (Jas 2:21-23) The 3 ½ years will be one of the greatest tests the other sheep will face, on an Abrahamic level, this side of Armageddon. Therefore its stands to reason that they must demonstrate that they have the seal of righteousness, as a friend of God, while supporting their faithful anointed brothers and sisters through that time period.

In another portion of Romans, in referring to the anointed, Paul applied prophecies of the nations or gentiles being gathered with his people, the Jews, with both groups being anointed and having a sharing with Christ. But the principle obviously goes beyond that and must also be extended to include the other sheep being joined with the anointed as God’s people. Paul stated - “For I tell you that Christ became a minister of those who are circumcised in behalf of God’s truthfulness, so as to verify the promises He made to their forefathers, and that the nations might glorify God for his mercy. Just as it is written: “That is why I will openly acknowledge you among the nations, and to your name I will sing praises.” And again he says: “Be glad, you nations, with his people.” And again: “Praise Jehovah, all you nations, and let all the peoples praise him.” And again Isaiah says: “There will be the root of Jesse, the one arising to rule nations; on him nations will rest their hope.” (Ro 15:7-12) If the issue of who is and who is not anointed is to be settled during the 3 ½ years, that time period should also teach us who will and who will not inherit the earth with the hope of having the 'glorious freedom of the children of God'. (Ro 8:21)

It should go without saying that the other sheep’s union with Christ is different than the anointed. I don't think any would argue against the thought that these will have to demonstrate through the 3 ½ years, that they have faith and are friends of God and have a sharing with Christ in harmony with their hope to inherit the earth. Jehovah could say to those of the other sheep who exercise a faith similar to Abraham, “those not my people I will call ‘my people’”. By demonstrating their faith in Christ through the 3 ½ years, would they not prove they have that seal of righteousness'?

Here's another thought to ponder:

If Jehovah has not yet judged Babylon, then many may still be able to come out of her and demonstrate by their faith that they are God's people. The biggest mistake the GB and the WTBTS has made is they assume to be God's people because they are called by his name and have a fair bit of accurate knowledge of God and Christ, when in fact many JW's are proving otherwise. So who will fill the void if two thirds of JW's are rejected during the 3 ½ years? (Zec 13:8, 9) The Bible says there will be a great crowd, which no man is able to number, that survives into the new earth. Where will these come from? Perhaps a faithful remnant of God's people (anointed and other sheep) being cleansed through the 3 ½ years will allow them to collectively offer Jehovah an acceptable sacrifice whereby he can use their voice to gather the rest of his people remaining in the world to survive into the new earth. Otherwise, if Jehovah's Son came now in Kingdom power to judge the world, I fear only a few would survive.
 
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KevinB

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WHAT IN THE H-E-DOUBLE TOOTHPICKS? Look at that little enemy of God? just when you thought you’ve heard it all. . . This is extremely offensive. I can’t even put into words just how utterly offensive this man is.
Does anybody think what Lett said about enemy babies is interesting seeing Roe vs Wade was overturned. Is that just a coincidence or is he virtual signaling to the left?
 

Brother potato

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Does anybody think what Lett said about enemy babies is interesting seeing Roe vs Wade was overturned. Is that just a coincidence or is he virtual signaling to the left?
It's a complete opposite of what Jesus said about children. A newborn baby has no idea of a creator and thus could not be an enemy of him. What Lett said is horrifying. Can you imagine bringing a new person to the convention and having them hear this rubbish. And as far as what you said about "the left" they have been "bootlicking" the gloabilists for decades.
 

PJ54

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Does anybody think what Lett said about enemy babies is interesting seeing Roe vs Wade was overturned. Is that just a coincidence or is he virtual signaling to the left?
It's a complete opposite of what Jesus said about children. A newborn baby has no idea of a creator and thus could not be an enemy of him. What Lett said is horrifying. Can you imagine bringing a new person to the convention and having them hear this rubbish. And as far as what you said about "the left" they have been "bootlicking" the gloabilists for decades.
I get the impression the Org is trying to evangelize to the left leaning crowd. The thing is I have had some good experiences with people on the right when it came to Bible discussion.
 

SusanB

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I was discussing this with my husband and he said that we’re wrong in thinking that Lett is a loose canon. He says exactly what the others think. Otherwise he would get his marching orders like Ray Franz.
That was what was on my mind. He wasn’t talking extemporaneously. These conventions talks are well planned and rehearsed. Was everyone around him too much of a sycophant to tell him that wasn’t a good idea?
 

SusanB

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The 3 1/2 years will resolve this problem, we will know who's who at the end of it.

Also in regard to "the seal" what about the other sheep?

Should the vision of Revelation's locust plague be of concern to the other sheep? Can the other sheep have a seal and should they be concerned they will be rejected by God if they do not have the seal? Notice Paul's words in Romans 4:11 - “And he (Abraham) received a sign—namely, circumcision—as a seal of the righteousness by the faith he had while in his uncircumcised state, so that he might be the father of all those having faith while uncircumcised, in order for righteousness to be counted to them”. Remember circumcision was merely a sign of that 'seal of righteousness' given to Abraham, and he was referred to as the father to all those having faith. Logically, similar to the anointed, the other sheep must exercise such faith in Christ and demonstrate they have a ‘seal of righteousness' during the 3 ½ years by refusing to worship the wild beast or except its mark.

When the locusts are instructed to harm only those who do not have the seal, it is possible the other sheep could be included in that directive based on the following words of Paul: “You see that his faith was active along with his works and his faith was perfected by his works, and the scripture was fulfilled that says: “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness and he came to be called Jehovah’s friend.” (Jas 2:21-23) The 3 ½ years will be one of the greatest tests the other sheep will face, on an Abrahamic level, this side of Armageddon. Therefore its stands to reason that they must demonstrate that they have the seal of righteousness, as a friend of God, while supporting their faithful anointed brothers and sisters through that time period.

In another portion of Romans, in referring to the anointed, Paul applied prophecies of the nations or gentiles being gathered with his people, the Jews, with both groups being anointed and having a sharing with Christ. But the principle obviously goes beyond that and must also be extended to include the other sheep being joined with the anointed as God’s people. Paul stated - “For I tell you that Christ became a minister of those who are circumcised in behalf of God’s truthfulness, so as to verify the promises He made to their forefathers, and that the nations might glorify God for his mercy. Just as it is written: “That is why I will openly acknowledge you among the nations, and to your name I will sing praises.” And again he says: “Be glad, you nations, with his people.” And again: “Praise Jehovah, all you nations, and let all the peoples praise him.” And again Isaiah says: “There will be the root of Jesse, the one arising to rule nations; on him nations will rest their hope.” (Ro 15:7-12) If the issue of who is and who is not anointed is to be settled during the 3 ½ years, that time period should also teach us who will and who will not inherit the earth with the hope of having the 'glorious freedom of the children of God'. (Ro 8:21)

It should go without saying that the other sheep’s union with Christ is different than the anointed. I don't think any would argue against the thought that these will have to demonstrate through the 3 ½ years, that they have faith and are friends of God and have a sharing with Christ in harmony with their hope to inherit the earth. Jehovah could say to those of the other sheep who exercise a faith similar to Abraham, “those not my people I will call ‘my people’”. By demonstrating their faith in Christ through the 3 ½ years, would they not prove they have that seal of righteousness'?

Here's another thought to ponder:

If Jehovah has not yet judged Babylon, then many may still be able to come out of her and demonstrate by their faith that they are God's people. The biggest mistake the GB and the WTBTS has made is they assume to be God's people because they are called by his name and have a fair bit of accurate knowledge of God and Christ, when in fact many JW's are proving otherwise. So who will fill the void if two thirds of JW's are rejected during the 3 ½ years? (Zec 13:8, 9) The Bible says there will be a great crowd, which no man is able to number, that survives into the new earth. Where will these come from? Perhaps a faithful remnant of God's people (anointed and other sheep) being cleansed through the 3 ½ years will allow them to collectively offer Jehovah an acceptable sacrifice whereby he can use their voice to gather the rest of his people remaining in the world to survive into the new earth. Otherwise, if Jehovah's Son came now in Kingdom power to judge the world, I fear only a few would survive.
Excellent post!! Great things to meditate on.
 

Sunshower

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I agree with your husband! I don’t think Lett is a loose canon either….I think all his mates agree with him in the GB and that without doubt, that is their problem. They are even a contradiction in terms. They are happy to take the ice cream money from these “enemies of Jehovah” and thus are in the pay of Satan. They really don’t think these things through. I know I’m being a bit extreme, but they really ask to have their heads examined.
The GB is so disconnected with the people in the org, they think they can say what they concoct without consequences.
That shows in the bit where you see K. Cook showing off their ivory tower.

I was watching the Dutch version of the bit where Lett spoke of “little enemies of God” and the dubbing in Dutch and the monotonous tone they say it makes the power of what Lett says in the original version disappear. I doubt those who don’t speak English even notice what he says.
 

SusanB

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Does anybody think what Lett said about enemy babies is interesting seeing Roe vs Wade was overturned. Is that just a coincidence or is he virtual signaling to the left?
It does make one wonder. Especially now that I realize that they re-worded some parts of the NWT to change the word man into human. I’m pretty sure they did that for the globalists too, although I‘m only speculating. See Revelation 9:7 in today’s NWT it says: “And in appearance the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; on their heads were what seemed to be crowns of gold, and their faces were like human faces…”. However, in the previous translation it said: “And the likeness of the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; and upon their heads [were] what seemed to be crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as men’s faces..”. They also changed parts of Ezekiel in a like manner.
 
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