2022 JW Convention

The God Pill

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Back in 2017 the couple months I was in the online hypnosis community before dropping the hobby gay subjects would contact me frequently wanting help getting straight and while I didn't have many sessions helping them in that department the feedback was positive.

Paul wouldn't agree that Sodomy is "not a choice" I recall his letters listing homosexuals that don't reform as those exchanging the truth of God for the lie and God giving them up that they will not inherit his kingdom. It's a choice whether they be washed clean and sanctified or go on @#$%ing around with other men or women in the case of lesbians.
 
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Nomex

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Paul wouldn't agree that Sodomy is "not a choice"
I think it bears clarifying, the choice is whether you engage in the life style, in some cases they cannot control their attraction. I think just like transgenders, it is a mental illness. And just like transgender, the world instead of acknowledging it is a mental illness they want to normalize it. And make no mistake, pedophiles is the perversion they want to normalize next.
 

Sunshower

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Exactly, so why would they be resurrected gay? Lett is just a jack ass.
Couldn’t agree more.

They stand in opposition and exalts themselves above every so-called god or object of worship, so that they sit down in the temple of God, publicly showing themselves to be a god.

Jehovah and Jesus know what will happen after Armageddon. We have no clue as new scrolls will be opened. So Lett has no authority nor insight to make this statement and by this he and the rest of the GB call judgement upon themselves.
 

TheJehuChariot

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Inspired? Not according to Paul's own words:

(1 Corinthians 7:25)
Now concerning virgins, I have no command from the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who had mercy shown him by the Lord to be faithful.

(1 Corinthians 7:38-40) So also, whoever marries does well, but whoever does not marry will do better. 39 A wife is bound as long as her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whomever she wants, only in the Lord. 40 But in my opinion, she is happier if she remains as she is; and I certainly think I also have God’s spirit.

God's opinion on the matter:

(Genesis 2:18)
It is not good for the man to continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.
Not sure why you took all that effort to focus on one word "inspired". My comment was broader than that. Regardless, Paul told Timothy @ 3:16, "all scripture is inspired". So, draw whatever conclusion and choose whatever best suits you, favor singleness or marriage. The point I was highlighting was the Org inappropriately quotes Paul to push singleness far too aggressively for its own interests and agenda.
 

Sunshower

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Back in 2017 the couple months I was in the online hypnosis community before dropping the hobby gay subjects would contact me frequently wanting help getting straight and while I didn't have many sessions in that department the feedback was positive.

Paul wouldn't agree that Sodomy is "not a choice" I recall his letters listing homosexuals that don't reform as those exchanging thr truth of God for the lie and God giving up that will not inherit his kingdom. It's a choice whether they be washed clean and sanctified or go on @#$%ing around with other men or women in the case of lesbians.
We saw a documentary once. This speaker stated that scientist don’t know what causes people to be or become homosexual. He did state however that those wanting to be christians can not act upon these feelings, the bible makes that very clear. So in their case, if they are truly sincere they have to live a life of abstinence for now. After Armageddon Jehovah will surely help people to get rid of these feelings.
 

MickHewitt

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We saw a documentary once. This speaker stated that scientist don’t know what causes people to be or become homosexual. He did state however that those wanting to be christians can not act upon these feelings, the bible makes that very clear. So in their case, if they are truly sincere they have to live a life of abstinence for now. After Armageddon Jehovah will surely help people to get rid of these feelings.
I believe before then, when Christ arrives shortly it's hard to believe Christ able to cure all ailments will not certainly oblige such ones with peace while they learn war no more Micha 4:3?
 
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Sunshower

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I believe before then, when Christ arrives shortly it's hard to believe Christ able to cure all ailments will certainly oblige such ones with peace while they learn war no more Micha 4:3?
Mick, I’m still learning about the chronology of the parousia, great tribulation, Armageddon, etc. It makes my head hurt sometimes 😵‍💫

So I just said after Armageddon cause I’m sure it will be gone by then 😉😄
 

MickHewitt

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Mick, I’m still learning about the chronology of the parousia, great tribulation, Armageddon, etc. It makes my head hurt sometimes 😵‍💫

So I just said after Armageddon cause I’m sure it will be gone by then 😉😄
You have all the sight to work it out: The best way is to keep knocking on our Fathers patient merciful door. It's His will after all! Thanks for inciting such potent thought White Stone apologies I meant Sunshower....(Medication..chortle)! Reading all the useful symbols, patterns, type, anti-types, similitudes and reasonings in e-watchman's book...will serve you well!
 
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Zane

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Not sure why you took all that effort to focus on one word "inspired". My comment was broader than that. Regardless, Paul told Timothy @ 3:16, "all scripture is inspired". So, draw whatever conclusion and choose whatever best suits you, favor singleness or marriage. The point I was highlighting was the Org inappropriately quotes Paul to push singleness far too aggressively for its own interests and agenda.
Sorry. I was not trying to pick on you.
I just took the opportunity to rebut a common JW belief that everything Paul said came from the holy spirit.

The same goes for the common JW belief that 2 Timothy 3:16 applies to the Greek scriptures.
That verse is referring to the Hebrew scriptures, as the previous verse shows.
In all 53 instance in the Greek text where "scripture(s)" are referred to, they all refer to the Hebrew scriptures.

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MickHewitt

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You have all the sight to work it out: The best way is to keep knocking on our Fathers patient merciful door. It's His will after all! Thanks for inciting such potent thought White Stone apologies I meant Sunshower....(Medication..chortle)! Reading all the useful symbols, patterns, type, anti-types, similitudes and reasonings in e-watchman's book...will serve you well!
I really must proof read b4 posting but I get so excited!
 

The God Pill

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Sorry. I was not trying to pick on you.
I just took the opportunity to rebut a common JW belief that everything Paul said came from the holy spirit.

The same goes for the common JW belief that 2 Timothy 3:16 applies to the Greek scriptures.
That verse is referring to the Hebrew scriptures, as the previous verse shows.
In all 53 instance in the Greek text where "scripture(s)" are referred to, they all refer to the Hebrew scriptures.

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I recall Peter in his letter saying people twist Paul's letters as the Rest of the scriptures to their own destruction. Peter vouched for Paul's letters as scripture.
 

MickHewitt

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I type with one finger on a tablet and whenever I’ve already hit post, I find a world of typos 😂

I have Robert’s book. I just need more time to sit and read quietly and meditate about the content. It’s not exactly a recent WT study, it’s a big meal, you gotta chew 😂
To me, first reading the book was like I felt when just introduced to the truth...! I better leave you to get on. hee hee
 
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Zane

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I recall Peter in his letter saying people twist Paul's letters as the Rest of the scriptures to their own destruction. Peter vouched for Paul's letters as scripture.
That is a good catch.
While at 2 Peter 3:16 the original Greek word is "other", not "rest", it is a minor difference.
And Paul's "letters" are not capitalized while the word "Scripture" is, but that too is minor and not definitive.
So I resort to the writers own descriptions.

The original Greek word (theopneustos) for "inspired" means "God breathed." So the question is: Are the Greek texts a dictation form God?

In the book of Revelation we are told the the words written were dictated from the angel that Christ sent. (Re 1:1)
But that is the only book in the Greek scriptures to make such a claim.

Here is how Luke described his writing process:

(Luke 1:1-4)
Seeing that many have undertaken to compile an account of the facts that are given full credence among us, 2 just as these were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and attendants of the message, 3 I resolved also, because I have traced all things from the start with accuracy, to write them to you in logical order, most excellent The·ophʹi·lus, 4 so that you may know fully the certainty of the things that you have been taught orally.

[w82 2/15 p. 13] Luke here assures his readers that he is not proceeding on the basis of hearsay or mere oral tradition. Why? Since Luke evidently did not become a disciple while Jesus was on earth, when Luke was preparing his Gospel he did careful research among “eyewitnesses.” Also, he investigated contemporary records, ‘tracing all things from the start with accuracy.’ This should build our confidence in Luke’s writings. But how did Luke obtain his detailed information? At a certain point in its account of Paul’s travels, the book of Acts switches from the third person (“he,” “they”) to the first person (“we,” “us”). It is understood from this that Luke began to travel with Paul during his second missionary journey. (Acts 16:10) Evidently by accompanying Paul to Jerusalem at the end of the third journey, Luke would there have been able to interview men and women who were eyewitnesses of Jesus’ ministry. (Acts 21:1, 7, 15-18) There Luke may also have examined documents, such as those used in preparing the genealogy at Luke 3:23-38.

Luke "composed" (manufactured, produced) the books of Luke and Acts himself. (Ac 1:1) He tells us that it was hard work and research that was the source of the information, not inspiration.

At Luke 1:1-3 Luke tells us that the other Bible writers of his time had also "undertaken to compile an account of the facts." Yes, those "eyewitnesses and attendants of the message... resolved" to trace (investigate) "all things from the start with accuracy." Their writings were also the result of effort and inquiry. No investigatory work would be needed if they were inspired dictations.

Note that the book of John itself is entitled "According to John". A longer title is also used: "The Good News According to John". The accounts recorded in that book are not according to Jesus, or the holy spirit, or even according to God, but the contents of that book are according to John. All four gospel accounts are named that way: "According to..."

Although the holy spirit did not dictate the Greek texts to its writers as they were writing them (with the exception of Revelation) the writers did have knowledge given to them by the holy spirit when they were anointed, and they shared that information with us in their writings. For instance, we know what Jesus prayed about in the garden of Gethsemane, not because the writers heard him praying, but no doubt because the holy spirit told them what he prayed about. (Lu 22:41-45)

Does that mean that the Greek scriptures were not influenced by God at all? No it does not! Much of the Greek scriptures were influenced by information from God, when the writers were anointed with holy spirit. Here is what Christ said about it:

(John 14:26)
But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

When he said that the holy spirit would teach them "all things", did he mean that the holy spirit would make them all-knowing? No. Only what he (the holy spirit) heard did he pass on. (1Jo 2:27)

(John 16:13) However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.

Yes, everything that the holy spirit was told to pass on to the apostles, was passed on, leaving nothing out.

(1 John 2:27) And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but the anointing from him is teaching you about all things and is true and is no lie. Just as it has taught you, remain in union with him.

But not everything in the Greek scriptures is information given to the writer by the holy spirit. At times the writer also included his own personal opinion, and deductions based on personal reasonings. Paul often did this.

(1 Corinthians 7:12) But to the others I say, yes, I, not the Lord: If any brother has an unbelieving wife and she is agreeable to staying with him, let him not leave her;

(1 Corinthians 7:25, 26) Now concerning virgins, I have no command from the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who had mercy shown him by the Lord to be faithful. 26 Therefore, I think that it is best for a man to continue as he is in view of the present difficulty.

(1 Corinthians 7:40) But in my opinion, she is happier if she remains as she is; and I certainly think I also have God’s spirit.

(2 Corinthians 8:10) And in this I give my opinion: This is for your benefit, seeing that already a year ago you not only initiated the action but also showed your desire to do it.


Don't get me wrong about Paul. The following scripture alone proves that he was a far better man than i am:

(1 Corinthians 4:12, 13)
When insulted, we bless; when persecuted, we patiently endure; 13 when slandered, we answer mildly;


So apparently 2 Timothy 3:16 does not apply to the Greek scriptures because they were not inspired and dictated to the writers. Each writer merely wrote down what he understood, or thought to be true, or remembered from what the holy spirit taught him when he was anointed, in regard to spiritual understanding that is. The spirit did not have to teach the writers what they did while with Christ. They wrote those things from their own memory, which is why human error from imperfect memories caused some minor differences in the four Gospels. (e. g. Mt 8:5 vs Lu 7:3; Mr 6:8 vs Lu 9:3) Even their memory of what the holy spirit had taught them was not perfect. (e. g. Mt 3:17 vs Mr 1:11; Mt 27:3-10 vs Ac 1:18-19)

The writers of the Greek scriptures were imperfect men. (1Co 1:27) And although there may be slight variations between their writings, the overall message from the holy spirit is the same.

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Sundial

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I have 3 sons. When they were growing up I explained to them that Jehovah expected sex only in his marital arrangement and unmarried men and women alike weren't supposed to transgress that order. So, straight unmarried people and gay people were all held to the same standard - there wasn't a special punishment for the gays. Forgiveness was always possible no matter how many times people failed to live up to Jehovah's standard. Doesn't it say so in Matt 18:21, 22? The idea Bro. Lett has that people will be resurrected will all the issues they had before adamic death doesn't sit well with me. That would make paradise full of murderers, thieves and psychopaths as well. He's off. :mad:
 

Jah-son

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I have come to view my past life as a JW as job I had been given that had to be endured rather than enjoyed. Baptism was a sort of qualifying credential for entry and the long service award was to be an elder, with a pay rise half way through as a ministerial servant. The system seems to break down when you get the sack for doing a good job. It’s difficult to understand really.
Im becoming convinced that its a type of multi level pyramid scheme.
 
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w_stone

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Badges?? I don't need no stinking badges!! (name the movie that saying came from and win a signed copy of a print out of Mr. Lett with his customary mouth opened wide and his eyes bulging. I will sign it in his stead and deliver it here in this thread via PDF LOL)
The Tres
Badges?? I don't need no stinking badges!! (name the movie that saying came from and win a signed copy of a print out of Mr. Lett with his customary mouth opened wide and his eyes bulging. I will sign it in his stead and deliver it here in this thread via PDF LOL)
The Treasure of Sierra Madre Great story
 
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