Best way to handle our JW friends and family...???

Jess said:
But ones from the congregation still reach out to me. And it makes me feel bad and guilty because I know their intentions are good but I am not in a place right now to respond other than to ones I am very close with.

I moved to a neighborhood with 2 Witnesses from my hall who live on the same street as me. We have never met in person. Only on Zoom but I do pass them in my car when they are outside and we wave and I wonder what they must think of me.

Its a difficult space for us all.
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I feel for you. It's difficult 🥰
 
Driven said:
Coincidentally, the 2 brothers who were part of the brothers considering to DF me just stopped by my home this morning.
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I meant to post about this been it's been a super busy week last week and I forgot and we had to get my corporate taxes ready, (did an extension and that dead line is Sept 15th), but last Monday an elder with another brother stopped by my house. What was so strange about this is he's not in my congregation, and my house is not in the territory he's assigned to. In fact he was moved out of my congregation when they did the Elder shift to assigned territory congregation thing back before Covid. He also came with a brother that I've never met before.

At first I thought he was working the territory and forgot I lived here. Then I realized, No, like I said, I'm not in his territory. This brother has been to my house several times so he came by on purpose. Also, his son-in-law is the Elder I have mentioned that is in my congregation, who's a surgeon, that I talked to about the masks and he agreed they don't do anything. He asked how we were doing, and I just said fine. He kept pressing, and while I was talking to him I remembered I have a beard, so maybe that was part of why he kept asking. He finally came out and said, "how are you doing spiritually, again i said we are doing fine and I told them I wasn't going to the meetings as long as they required masks, that it was against the law, and that mandates were not law, that OSHA regulates the mask, and it is required by law to give a medical evaluation to anyone to have them wear a mask and that everything that was done was against the law. He kept saying that was going to end Oct 1st and that he understood, and didn't act like he had a problem with what I was saying. I think the fact is, if you give them facts like I have been harping on, they don't know what to say. I may print a few copies of the OSHA form just to have on hand, and highlight on the form where is says why that form must be filled out and that it is mandatory. The funny thing is, it is actually highlight in the OSHA Form itself, in a big bright light Orange/Yellow Box at the top of the form!

Any way...just thought the whole thing was weird, and I had forgotten about until I saw your post, Driven. Busy week last week.
 
Nomex said:
I meant to post about this been it's been a super busy week last week and I forgot and we had to get my corporate taxes ready, (did an extension and that dead line is Sept 15th), but last Monday an elder with another brother stopped by my house. What was so strange about this is he's not in my congregation, and my house is not in the territory he's assigned to. In fact he was moved out of my congregation when they did the Elder shift to assigned territory congregation thing back before Covid. He also came with a brother that I've never met before.

At first I thought he was working the territory and forgot I lived here. Then I realized, No, like I said, I'm not in his territory. This brother has been to my house several times so he came by on purpose. Also, his son-in-law is the Elder I have mentioned that is in my congregation, who's a surgeon, that I talked to about the masks and he agreed they don't do anything. He asked how we were doing, and I just said fine. He kept pressing, and while I was talking to him I remembered I have a beard, so maybe that was part of why he kept asking. He finally came out and said, "how are you doing spiritually, again i said we are doing fine and I told them I wasn't going to the meetings as long as they required masks, that it was against the law, and that mandates were not law, that OSHA regulates the mask, and it is required by law to give a medical evaluation to anyone to have them wear a mask and that everything that was done was against the law. He kept saying that was going to end Oct 1st and that he understood, and didn't act like he had a problem with what I was saying. I think the fact is, if you give them facts like I have been harping on, they don't know what to say. I may print a few copies of the OSHA form just to have on hand, and highlight on the form where is says why that form must be filled out and that it is mandatory. The funny thing is, it is actually highlight in the OSHA Form itself, in a big bright light Orange/Yellow Box at the top of the form!

Any way...just thought the whole thing was weird, and I had forgotten about until I saw your post, Driven. Busy week last week.
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Great points to get them thinking logically.
 
Driven said:
Just a reminder that we have had many injuries, several deaths, strokes and heart attacks in, and related to, our congregation. Plus in my letter to the Elders back in December 2021, I listed each vaccine injury and the one death that I knew about at that time. So, they know exactly what I meant by love me enough to keep me alive.
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Cognitive dissonance. One of the most unhealthy mental conditions a person can experience from what I’ve heard. I might have said it before but I am wondering what keeps them playing along. You have a choice. Keep pretending that you don’t know why people are getting sick or having injuries which assumes that they are willing to lie to maintain their standing in the congregation or, they are just plain stupid. If they are playing along with the knowledge of what the jabs are doing then they become guilty of a moral issue that involves other people.
Is there anyone on this planet worth lying for? Any single issue worth it?
At some point I believe many of these brothers are going to have a mental breakdown.
I can’t speak for others but I was a convert and this, only after a line of other churches. At the time I studied, it occurred to me that this might be the end of the line. I think a lot of elders can’t fathom what happens to them if they admit to themselves that they are helping to perpetuate a lie so they shut it off in their minds. The other choice is that they are immoral and have made the choice to stand with the GB knowing that people are dying and more will as well.
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
And why would Jehovah be telling HIS PEOPLE…who are no doubt already dedicated baptized witnesses, to get out of BABYLON THE GREAT?
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Yes! Agreed!

“get out of her my people”. If you’re already one of “God’s people” doesn't that mean that you’ve already gotten out of Christendom?

This is why the scripture is clearly not speaking about getting out of Christendom.
 
BagdadBill said:
I am wondering what keeps them playing along. You have a choice. Keep pretending
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I don't think simple "definitions" like Cognitive dissonance does justice to explain what happens to people. It's way more complex. I have over simplified it myself my defining it as "holding two opposing ideas in your head at exactly the same time."

Vaccines are a perfect example. The original premise for vaccines is that if given a vaccine you could not get the virus that you were vaccinated for. In fact not all that long ago, vaccines were called "immunizations". Why? Because you would be "immune" to the virus you got the vaccine for. This was based on the science that was observed from people who got certain illnesses and survived but were also immune to reinfection. Hence "vaccine science was born." But what happened? Reality happened, and it turns out the "science" of vaccines were not in fact "immunizations." And this did not happen with "Covid Vaccines" this has been true for decades, and they knew it. Once they realized people who received vaccines were not in fact "immune" then came to "boosters!" This is when anyone who was not a fool said to themselves, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." And over the years more and more people have had this realizations and been "red pilled" on the other hand many have not.

So to understand why this is, we have to understand the psychology of people who are fooled and continue to be fooled. First of all, they see all the other people buying this lie, and they think, "well then, I'm not crazy, and I was not tricked, and or fooled, so there must be another explanation." So they immediately look for that confirmation. Well of course the liars had already provided it.

In the case with the whole Covid joke and how all our brothers and sister have been fooled, that's not that hard to explain either, since their leaders are saying "trust us" "We wouldn't lie to you, even Jesus trusts us."

There is a sister who nearly died from how she was treated with Covid. First of all, we know everyone who "had Covid" was tested with the fraudulent PCR test. Then if you tested positive you were put on remedesivir, intubated and half of those people died because of remdesivir...thing is, half of people didn't die, and this sister is one of those. But her "experience with Covid" is "one guy who didn't wear a mask, and didn't wash his hands, gave her Covid and she almost died." And that is her entire reality the way she sees it. It's all one big lie built on another lie, but try telling her that, when the WT God's told her wear a mask, social distant, vaccinated etc etc, and you almost died. She had to re-learn stuff, lost some speech etc.

Now think about how demonic the whole lie is. This is all because she listened to and believed the real misinformation coming from know liars, Satan's minions who run the government, health agencies Big Pharma, the UN's WHO etc!

But did you catch how this whole thing started? It started with a religious organization, that has taught the Bible based truth, "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one, except for this time." This time "listen to them, they have your best interest at heart, they love you.

The cognitive dissonance started with the double think lie, that the government are both good and bad, and no decent explanation for Paul's letter to the Romans, who lived under the yoke of the Romans who made live human candles out of Christians, sent them into the Colosseum to be ripped apart, alive by Lions, and BTW, carried out the execution of Jesus, by first nearly whipping him to death by scourging, which literally ripped flesh from the bone, publicly humiliated and hung on a stake, the innocent man Jesus. This is the government Paul was talking about when he said they were there "in their relative positions". Yeah, the Romans really had Christians best interest in mind! This is the lunacy of the WT "reasoning."

Out right absurd, disgraceful and blasphemous!
 
I overheard a conversation after the meeting yesterday and it gave me a little hope. Some are starting to ask questions, unfortunately the brothers quickly shut it down with: The GB would never willfully mislead their sheep and to think that they would be mislead by others like Who and governmentalorganizations is ludicris and unthinkable after all they are lead by Jehova’s spirit and NOBoDY should ever question that fact since we just read it in the watchtower article and to say otherwise is the same as abandoning Jehovah.. they are beating down hard on any questioning attitude and this gives me the feeling that much more people than we realise are seeing something is fishy. Now its just up to them to accept reality and we can finally start talking to them.. i hope🤗
 
BillyRay said:
Yes! Agreed!

“get out of her my people”. If you’re already one of “God’s people” doesn't that mean that you’ve already gotten out of Christendom?

This is why the scripture is clearly not speaking about getting out of Christendom.
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Yes, you’re right. It was just a rhetorical question…Nevertheless, Jehovah is telling HIS PEOPLE to get out of BTG at this particular time. 😁
 
I like to go back to this scripture in Romans when the cognitive dissonance is just too much to bare to remind myself that I cannot control these things as frustrating as it is to witness it at times-Like this weekend when I heard 3 different people say they got blood clots after having COVID :mad:

8 just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of deep sleep,k eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, down to this very day.”
 
Jess said:
I like to go back to this scripture in Romans when the cognitive dissonance is just too much to bare to remind myself that I cannot control these things as frustrating as it is to witness it at times-Like this weekend when I heard 3 different people say they got blood clots after having COVID :mad:

8 just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of deep sleep,k eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, down to this very day.”
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One of my supervisors when I worked at the hospital, her husband took the jab AFTER he got covid . Within 3-4 weeks he had cancer all over his body & he died. 54 yrs old.
 
Last night after the meeting my wife asked me if I'm still harboring resentment towards the GB (likely prompted by the WT study where they pat themselves on the back for their awesome direction during the scamdemic). I was reluctant to go down that road again because of how these discussions always end up. (Why do I take the bait?) But I caved in and unloaded how I feel yet again. It didn't go "well" in that she is still defending "those poor elderly men who are just trying their best and would never do anything to knowingly mislead us". Although she admits they were wrong for their strongly recommending the injections, she thinks I have resentment issues and that I should forgive and let it go...I'm just "obsessed over vaccines" and can't let it go. It's shameful how I'm acting towards my brothers who work so hard in our behalf. In her estimation, she doesn't know anyone who has proven issues from the vaccine so she's not convinced that it's happening. Yet she refuses to examine any evidence that I would present or to do any research on her own. Just forget about it and be happy.
I bring this up as an example of the mentality of most JW's. They can't fathom that "our brothers, men of God...the FFDS" could be swayed or corrupted to knowingly endanger the lives of Jehovah's people. And the GB consistently reinforces this mentality with articles like yesterday's (propaganda) WT study. It's just evidence that they know there is mistrust brewing and they're desperately trying to stamp it out. And I consider my wife to be one of the more reasonable JW's. She's willing to criticize when she sees the need.
I won't bore you with the details but I tried in vain to support my position. Ultimately I'm just a conspiracy nut who has trust issues. I was asked if I'm having a nervous breakdown. Ugh!🤦🏻‍♂️
But I will continue to support her in her delusion until we reach a point of acceptance. I have to remember that I was in that same deluded mindset not so long ago.
The point of acceptance will likely arrive when there is so much evidence that they (GB / Gov / manufacturers / health authorities) can no longer hide or when Jehovah brings vengeance and cleans house. My gut tells me that if I hold steady with my conviction, when that time arrives, she will know and accept that my concerns were valid and hopefully that realization will instill enough trust for her to begin to accept "the truth about the truth."
In the meantime It's extremely frustrating to have to maintain the balancing act. I try not to let it affect me to the extent that people notice but I also realize that sighing and groaning are a sign that I'm truly keeping on the watch, and I don't accept the detestable things going on around me or the lies being spread about Jah. Hopefully that equates to a mark on my forehead for survival.
 
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