Best way to handle our JW friends and family...???

Yupyup_yup

Well-known member
Last night after the meeting my wife asked me if I'm still harboring resentment towards the GB (likely prompted by the WT study where they pat themselves on the back for their awesome direction during the scamdemic). I was reluctant to go down that road again because of how these discussions always end up. (Why do I take the bait?) But I caved in and unloaded how I feel yet again. It didn't go "well" in that she is still defending "those poor elderly men who are just trying their best and would never do anything to knowingly mislead us". Although she admits they were wrong for their strongly recommending the injections, she thinks I have resentment issues and that I should forgive and let it go...I'm just "obsessed over vaccines" and can't let it go. It's shameful how I'm acting towards my brothers who work so hard in our behalf. In her estimation, she doesn't know anyone who has proven issues from the vaccine so she's not convinced that it's happening. Yet she refuses to examine any evidence that I would present or to do any research on her own. Just forget about it and be happy.
I bring this up as an example of the mentality of most JW's. They can't fathom that "our brothers, men of God...the FFDS" could be swayed or corrupted to knowingly endanger the lives of Jehovah's people. And the GB consistently reinforces this mentality with articles like yesterday's (propaganda) WT study. It's just evidence that they know there is mistrust brewing and they're desperately trying to stamp it out. And I consider my wife to be one of the more reasonable JW's. She's willing to criticize when she sees the need.
I won't bore you with the details but I tried in vain to support my position. Ultimately I'm just a conspiracy nut who has trust issues. I was asked if I'm having a nervous breakdown. Ugh!🤦🏻‍♂️
But I will continue to support her in her delusion until we reach a point of acceptance. I have to remember that I was in that same deluded mindset not so long ago.
The point of acceptance will likely arrive when there is so much evidence that they (GB / Gov / manufacturers / health authorities) can no longer hide or when Jehovah brings vengeance and cleans house. My gut tells me that if I hold steady with my conviction, when that time arrives, she will know and accept that my concerns were valid and hopefully that realization will instill enough trust for her to begin to accept "the truth about the truth."
In the meantime It's extremely frustrating to have to maintain the balancing act. I try not to let it affect me to the extent that people notice but I also realize that sighing and groaning are a sign that I'm truly keeping on the watch, and I don't accept the detestable things going on around me or the lies being spread about Jah. Hopefully that equates to a mark on my forehead for survival.
Yesterday I had the exact same conversation with my very pimi wife after the wt

Exactly the same I took the bait too

it's erie scary

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When she's around the brothers it's like she's a shame of not getting vaccinated

She's an amazing wife, I love her so much

It pains me to see how naive she is

I'll add your wife to my prayers about my own

Please wake up
 

Charming Primrose

Well-known member
Last night after the meeting my wife asked me if I'm still harboring resentment towards the GB (likely prompted by the WT study where they pat themselves on the back for their awesome direction during the scamdemic). I was reluctant to go down that road again because of how these discussions always end up. (Why do I take the bait?) But I caved in and unloaded how I feel yet again. It didn't go "well" in that she is still defending "those poor elderly men who are just trying their best and would never do anything to knowingly mislead us". Although she admits they were wrong for their strongly recommending the injections, she thinks I have resentment issues and that I should forgive and let it go...I'm just "obsessed over vaccines" and can't let it go. It's shameful how I'm acting towards my brothers who work so hard in our behalf. In her estimation, she doesn't know anyone who has proven issues from the vaccine so she's not convinced that it's happening. Yet she refuses to examine any evidence that I would present or to do any research on her own. Just forget about it and be happy.
I bring this up as an example of the mentality of most JW's. They can't fathom that "our brothers, men of God...the FFDS" could be swayed or corrupted to knowingly endanger the lives of Jehovah's people. And the GB consistently reinforces this mentality with articles like yesterday's (propaganda) WT study. It's just evidence that they know there is mistrust brewing and they're desperately trying to stamp it out. And I consider my wife to be one of the more reasonable JW's. She's willing to criticize when she sees the need.
I won't bore you with the details but I tried in vain to support my position. Ultimately I'm just a conspiracy nut who has trust issues. I was asked if I'm having a nervous breakdown. Ugh!🤦🏻‍♂️
But I will continue to support her in her delusion until we reach a point of acceptance. I have to remember that I was in that same deluded mindset not so long ago.
The point of acceptance will likely arrive when there is so much evidence that they (GB / Gov / manufacturers / health authorities) can no longer hide or when Jehovah brings vengeance and cleans house. My gut tells me that if I hold steady with my conviction, when that time arrives, she will know and accept that my concerns were valid and hopefully that realization will instill enough trust for her to begin to accept "the truth about the truth."
In the meantime It's extremely frustrating to have to maintain the balancing act. I try not to let it affect me to the extent that people notice but I also realize that sighing and groaning are a sign that I'm truly keeping on the watch, and I don't accept the detestable things going on around me or the lies being spread about Jah. Hopefully that equates to a mark on my forehead for survival.
I give you credit brother. It can't be easy.
 

BagdadBill

Well-known member
The deaths from the jabs are being suppressed. Sure, that’s what they expect me to say and I can’t point you to a place to prove it, because it’s being suppressed. One good note is that people are starting to die from a mystery sudden illness that doctors can’t figure out. At least not while they’re being paid.
How many have to die before here is an apology or a recantation? Does it take someone special to keel over to wake a person?
One thing that was made clear is that no two batches of poison were the same, hence the reason that some people seem to be fine.
They can’t hide them all though. Famous people have suffered. It’s been weeks since anyone heard out of Justin Bieber and his wife. They killed some soccer players and a few very famous and well loved American sports stars.
The GB attached their name to the injections and the congregations are going down with the ship.
I don’t even bring it up to the few JW who still speak to me. They will have to have their noses rubbed in it for a while first.
I said people would die over time and now, new people are showing up here and saying just exactly that is happening.
Let the dead bury their dead. You though, stock up on food and water. Covid injections are the least of our worries right now.
 

SusanB

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This may be a bit too confrontational but I wanted to share a texting conversation I had this morning with a brother:

He contacted me and said:
“Hello there ,
Hope all is well, just wanted to let you know CO visit this week
Aloha C*****”

Then I said:

“Hi Brother C*****, I understand your concern. Please understand my concern. I learned awesome scripturally based principles at the meetings for over 30 years. But as of late it seems that many, possibly even most, of the leading teachers and Governing Body feel free to unscripturally change the teachings without explanation or consequence. Here is but one example and I cannot return to the meetings until those in charge return to Jehovah’s true ways. I will never again be tricked into a form of godly devotion while being false to its principles.

How To Remain in God’s Love” book, Chapter 7 paragraph 12:

“Does Jehovah really care about our decisions in matters of conscience? Yes, he does. Jehovah is interested in our thoughts and motives. (Read Proverbs 17:3; 24:12.) Since that is the case, when we are making a decision involving medical treatment, we need to pray for Jehovah’s guidance and then research the treatment. After that, we use our Bible-trained conscience to make our decision. We should not ask others what they would do if they were in our situation, nor should others try to influence our decision. Each Christian will “carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5; Romans 14:12.”

His reply:

“Ok ,as we know
Christ is using F n D slave
Take care”

My final text:

“And I must add that this departure from Jehovah’s way was foretold in scriptures such as Amos 9. After Jehovah disciplines his people I hope and pray your faith brings you through because you may not be prepared for what is about to happen but it is the scriptures that explain it. As Romans 8:19 says all of us are WAITING for the revealing of the sons of God and that has not happened yet.”
 

LifeLearning

Well-known member
The brothers are reading the comments on this forum. It cannot possibly escape their reason that the professed faithful and discreet slave has directed the entire flock based on direction from men of the nations, and not based on spirit guided direction from God. The proof is now everywhere and growing day by day.

If you, the one reading here are yet convinced that the direction from the watchtower is correct, please share the scriptures that support that conviction. It will prove to be difficult for you because the cracks in the wall are too big and too deep for plaster anymore.

I know that those here who are writing things hard for you to believe do in fact love you brothers, and do in fact pray that you will see beyond the teachings of men and reason from the word of God.
 

Jess

Well-known member
The brothers are reading the comments on this forum. It cannot possibly escape their reason that the professed faithful and discreet slave has directed the entire flock based on direction from men of the nations, and not based on spirit guided direction from God. The proof is now everywhere and growing day by day.

If you, the one reading here are yet convinced that the direction from the watchtower is correct, please share the scriptures that support that conviction. It will prove to be difficult for you because the cracks in the wall are too big and too deep for plaster anymore.

I know that those here who are writing things hard for you to believe do in fact love you brothers, and do in fact pray that you will see beyond the teachings of men and reason from the word of God.
Just curious what makes you think they read this forum. I mean I feel that way too but I can’t put my finger on it other than broadcasts. I wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I am pretty sure that the PRIVATE letter I sent off to head quarters regarding my personal concerns about the vaccine was shipped back to my congregation to be put in my file. I don’t have proof of this either but I have heard others say it.
 

Jess

Well-known member
This may be a bit too confrontational but I wanted to share a texting conversation I had this morning with a brother:

He contacted me and said:
“Hello there ,
Hope all is well, just wanted to let you know CO visit this week
Aloha C*****”

Then I said:

“Hi Brother C*****, I understand your concern. Please understand my concern. I learned awesome scripturally based principles at the meetings for over 30 years. But as of late it seems that many, possibly even most, of the leading teachers and Governing Body feel free to unscripturally change the teachings without explanation or consequence. Here is but one example and I cannot return to the meetings until those in charge return to Jehovah’s true ways. I will never again be tricked into a form of godly devotion while being false to its principles.

How To Remain in God’s Love” book, Chapter 7 paragraph 12:

“Does Jehovah really care about our decisions in matters of conscience? Yes, he does. Jehovah is interested in our thoughts and motives. (Read Proverbs 17:3; 24:12.) Since that is the case, when we are making a decision involving medical treatment, we need to pray for Jehovah’s guidance and then research the treatment. After that, we use our Bible-trained conscience to make our decision. We should not ask others what they would do if they were in our situation, nor should others try to influence our decision. Each Christian will “carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5; Romans 14:12.”

His reply:

“Ok ,as we know
Christ is using F n D slave
Take care”

My final text:

“And I must add that this departure from Jehovah’s way was foretold in scriptures such as Amos 9. After Jehovah disciplines his people I hope and pray your faith brings you through because you may not be prepared for what is about to happen but it is the scriptures that explain it. As Romans 8:19 says all of us are WAITING for the revealing of the sons of God and that has not happened yet.”
Wow! I don’t think it was too confrontational, that was an Excellent paragraph to share there too. And of course it comes back around the FDS 🫤
 

LifeLearning

Well-known member
Just curious what makes you think they read this forum. I mean I feel that way too but I can’t put my finger on it other than broadcasts. I wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I am pretty sure that the PRIVATE letter I sent off to head quarters regarding my personal concerns about the vaccine was shipped back to my congregation to be put in my file. I don’t have proof of this either but I have heard others say it.
I should have said 'my perception is that' the brothers are reading this forum. Still, I am sure they are, and trying to dismiss all of the things that are discussed must be increasingly difficult.
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
This is when anyone who was not a fool said to themselves, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." And over the years more and more people have had this realizations and been "red pilled" on the other hand many have not.

So to understand why this is, we have to understand the psychology of people who are fooled and continue to be fooled. First of all, they see all the other people buying this lie, and they think, "well then, I'm not crazy, and I was not tricked, and or fooled, so there must be another explanation." So they immediately look for that confirmation. Well of course the liars had already provided it.
They would have been better off following Jehovah’s directions that Moses gave at Exodus 23: 1-3

1 You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness.
2 You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd.
3 You must show impartiality in the dispute of a poor person.

The WT “spread a report that isn’t true.” They cooperated with those who are wicked and therefore became “a malicious witness.”
So because many were fooled by this deception they chose to “follow after the crowd.”

WT’s end won‘t be pretty. Too much blood on their hands.
 

LifeLearning

Well-known member
They would have been better off following Jehovah’s directions that Moses gave at Exodus 23: 1-3

1 You must not spread a report that is not true. Do not cooperate with a wicked one by becoming a malicious witness.
2 You must not follow after the crowd to do evil, and you must not pervert justice by giving testimony to go along with the crowd.
3 You must show impartiality in the dispute of a poor person.

The WT “spread a report that isn’t true.” They cooperated with those who are wicked and therefore became “a malicious witness.”
So because many were fooled by this deception they chose to “follow after the crowd.”

WT’s end won‘t be pretty. Too much blood on their hands.
The only thing they can do to recover is to repent, and humble themselves to the congregations
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
In the meantime It's extremely frustrating to have to maintain the balancing act. I try not to let it affect me to the extent that people notice but I also realize that sighing and groaning are a sign that I'm truly keeping on the watch, and I don't accept the detestable things going on around me or the lies being spread about Jah. Hopefully that equates to a mark on my forehead for survival.
Jah-son you know you’re not a conspiracy nut nor are you having a nervous breakdown. Although, sometimes you may feel like you are, especially if you’re still attending meetings. That‘s probably one of your ‘trials by fire’ huh?
It has to be extremely frustrating….kind of like how Habakkuk felt back then. 😩
You’re doing good and I believe you’ll come through this with Jehovah’s help.
You’ll be in my prayers. 🙏
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
This may be a bit too confrontational but I wanted to share a texting conversation I had this morning with a brother:

He contacted me and said:
“Hello there ,
Hope all is well, just wanted to let you know CO visit this week
Aloha C*****”

Then I said:

“Hi Brother C*****, I understand your concern. Please understand my concern. I learned awesome scripturally based principles at the meetings for over 30 years. But as of late it seems that many, possibly even most, of the leading teachers and Governing Body feel free to unscripturally change the teachings without explanation or consequence. Here is but one example and I cannot return to the meetings until those in charge return to Jehovah’s true ways. I will never again be tricked into a form of godly devotion while being false to its principles.

How To Remain in God’s Love” book, Chapter 7 paragraph 12:

“Does Jehovah really care about our decisions in matters of conscience? Yes, he does. Jehovah is interested in our thoughts and motives. (Read Proverbs 17:3; 24:12.) Since that is the case, when we are making a decision involving medical treatment, we need to pray for Jehovah’s guidance and then research the treatment. After that, we use our Bible-trained conscience to make our decision. We should not ask others what they would do if they were in our situation, nor should others try to influence our decision. Each Christian will “carry his own load.”—Galatians 6:5; Romans 14:12.”

His reply:

“Ok ,as we know
Christ is using F n D slave
Take care”

My final text:

“And I must add that this departure from Jehovah’s way was foretold in scriptures such as Amos 9. After Jehovah disciplines his people I hope and pray your faith brings you through because you may not be prepared for what is about to happen but it is the scriptures that explain it. As Romans 8:19 says all of us are WAITING for the revealing of the sons of God and that has not happened yet.”
I love your response Driven. But I’m just amazed how they just so casually dismiss what anyone says…being so passive. They are just like Jesus said people would be in this time period…going about their ‘business as usual’ mentality, ‘taking no note’ or preferring to ‘take no note.’ It just infuriates me.
The last paragraph of your comments I especially liked too.
I truly believe when things start to be revealed and WT falls…he’s going to remember your words.
I wouldn’t be surprised!
 
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Nomex

Well-known member
I really want to set this following scenario up...Let a couple brothers come over for their "shepherding call", and on the table have three "boxes" set up, all be one bigger than the other, and one by one open these boxes and set the contents on the table. With each box I'd say, :"This is a half mask respirator", the next reveal, "This is a full face respirator," next reveal, "This is a Powered Air Purifying Respirator", also know as a PAPR! I own all this, because of what I do for a living. I am an expert when it comes to this PPE, because I have to be. I would not have spent $1500 on PAPR System otherwise. So unless an angel is appearing to the GB and saying, "No, mankind had it all wrong, all that stuff with filters and charcoal, and rubber snug fitting, clean shaved fit, and magnetic charged filters, and positive air flow, and negative air flow, all of it, was unnessary, all you ever needed was a hanky, and you never would have gotten sick in the first place, oh and Vaccines. Jehovah sent you vaccines, because well, you people are not ready for perfection so Jehovah conceded to Satan! A compromised immune system of course needs a Satanic subsidized solution! How stupid could you be to think other wise????
 

Jah-son

Well-known member
Jah-son you know you’re not a conspiracy nut nor are you having a nervous breakdown. Although, sometimes you may feel like you are, especially if you’re still attending meetings. That‘s probably one of your ‘trials by fire’ huh?
It has to be extremely frustrating….kind of like how Habakkuk felt back then. 😩
You’re doing good and I believe you’ll come through this with Jehovah’s help.
You’ll be in my prayers. 🙏
Thanks so much for your support. I appreciate the prayers and concern. It can feel lonely as you know when we dont have any live humans to talk openly with about our concerns without judgement. But you are correct, this is how Habakkuk and other loyal worshipers surely felt. But at least we have this forum and we know that we are not alone. Yes, the meetings can be a source of trial. Although i appreciate the friends in the congregation, its difficult when you have to hold back from expressing your truth and stay silent when you hear the lies.
It is interesting though, that each time my wife and I have these "heated" discussions about the GB, the aftermath seems to be one of relief and mutual respect. Its as if a pressure relief valve was activated and the "steam" was allowed to escape. We actually end up closer than we were before. I think subconsciously she respects that Ive taken a stand and I'm holding to my conviction.
Anyhoo, thanks again for the kind thoughts. I really appreciate them. We'll get through this with Jehovahs help and support from each other.
 

Charming Primrose

Well-known member
Just curious what makes you think they read this forum. I mean I feel that way too but I can’t put my finger on it other than broadcasts. I wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I am pretty sure that the PRIVATE letter I sent off to head quarters regarding my personal concerns about the vaccine was shipped back to my congregation to be put in my file. I don’t have proof of this either but I have heard others say it.
You can almost guarantee your congregation has a copy of it.
 
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