Finding Neverland

You are a brother from another mother to be sure. I almost feel guilty about our little "disputes", although you know in your heart I am the better man. LOL. All kidding aside, I missed you when you were missing here and worried that my joking did not somehow turn you away. Only because I want you here, you make me look good after all.

OK. I mean it this time all joking aside....honestly, I don't get your humor all the time, thast's oOK, I think you don't get mine either....OK. But dear God don't you leave me
Nomex, worry not! The Anglo-American relationship is fine and is forged from the fire of the good news and nothing can tear it apart. Besides which, I always let you win the argument. I get few enough replies as it is, and so each one is treasured. And of course, yes I can admit to faults. I used to be conceited, but now that I’m perfect that is no longer a problem. I know that Americans have a sense of humour - one would need a sense of humour to be able to get over the spelling problem, but I remember distinctly, my father telling me an American joke. This is it: are you sitting down? Put down any knife or gun you may be holding….What time is it when two Ford cars pass each other? Tin past Tin. So there is solid proof. Germans of course have no sense of humour, so jokes about Hitler are wasted on them.
 
To be completely honest, I've never enjoyed the door to door ministry. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I've always had to force myself to do it. I'm quite the introvert so I don't enjoy uncomfortable conversations with strangers which is what most of d2d is.

In fact, in my 30 years as a JW I've never had a bible student that I got from d2d. They were always referrals or family. I'm not very skilled at return visits either. But I have enjoyed conducting bible Studies in the past. I tend to put myself in the place of the householder at the door and realize that I wouldn't want someone pushing something on me. I can't stand working with pushy publishers.

When I reflect on it now, perhaps in my heart, I knew that many of the doctrines were not correct so that may have prevented me from giving my all.

That being said, since I've been "awakened" my desire to preach JW doctrine has dwindled. I'm mostly motivated by a desire to support my PIMI wife and if I can share basic Bible truth with someone...well at least I'm still following Christ's command to preach the good news. But the past few months have been the least amount of service time I've ever recorded. I'm very de-motivated altogether. I typically just use either a scriptural presentation or a tract since they contain mostly basic Bible truths. I'm not going to promote WT doctrine. I typically try to focus on God's kingdom since that is what Jesus taught us to focus on with our ministry. If I ever get an actual study, I'll have to cross that bridge when I get there. I would probably teach the student the basics and when we get to WT doctrine I would warn them and tell them to do their research.

I'm in a tough position with my wife being PIMI. I don't want to stir the pot too much so My new goal is to fade as much as possible while still supporting her. Interestingly, she has kind of been following my lead. I feel that her desire to change congregations is an opportunity for me to step down. I'm a firm believer in the power of intention. It's all about focusing ones energies on a goal, then slowly and consistently making concerted moves toward that goal. The universe will fall in line. We just have to find the rhythm and frequency and harmonize with it. We really can "bend spoons". I've experienced it happen throughout my lifetime and now I am becoming more aware of it.

I digress, hopefully that answers your question. Are you still active in the formal ministry? I'd like to hear how you are coping likewise.
We’re not doing any formal ministry and haven’t for at least a year. We were keeping up pretty good with Zoom letter writing until the cvd updates and then we just stopped. We can’t in good conscience direct others to the org. That was a difficult time for us as we grappled with what our preaching would look like going forward. We have done a few random Zoom service appearances cause my husband is still a group overseer which is getting weirder by the day. When we’ve been on we’re not writing letters, we’re either online shopping or I’m on this group! 😆 Just being honest. But I am happy to report that after much prayer asking for direction on how and what to preach we are now having really good Bible discussions with work associations and customers! It’s happening so easily and our conversations are refreshing and casual. We really enjoy discussing scriptures with people we just steer clear of WT.
That must be very difficult with a PIMI spouse and I applaud your support of her during this delicate time. I’m so thankful my husband is awake with me! It didn’t happen all at the same time for us. We both knew something was seriously wrong with the GB and the cvd nonsense but as I mentioned before he was holding out looking for some hope or redemption of the org for a few months. We had lots of discussions and sometimes he would just say that was enough for one day and he’d have to go process - everyone has their own way of getting there. We’re on the same page now and can even joke about the borg and how silly it all seems now. Hang in there - she’ll come around.
 
I have to start off this post by saying I am not intending to insult or offend. These are just our observations over our entire lives in the org. It’s been discussed on here before that being in the truth in the 70s, 80s, and up to mid 90s seemed good! We had great friends, zeal for the ministry, and most importantly we were gonna be in paradise soon! No need for higher education, buying a house, or even braces - Jehovah will fix those crooked teeth soon! Our congregation had “October Frank” reminding us every October “This is it! The GT is gonna happen in October“! BTW Frank has been dead for over 10 years.

We were all determined to pioneer and not have children because “who would have children in this system?“. I recall the stir it caused in the late 80s at the SF convention when the brother‘s talk praised couples who remained childless for the sake of the good news! I’m from a very large family and the discussions after that were unanimous. I can see now that thinking deprived me and my siblings from having children and my parents from the grandchildren they never had. But that was all gonna be fixed in the new world so don’t think about it and just get back out in service.

Things started changing somewhere around the mid 90s. We live in a very affluent part of CA (born and raised here so it’s normal to us) and there are a lot of “pretty people” here. Think lots of cosmetic surgeries, fake lips, fake tans, hair extensions, etc. This began creeping into the congregation and by 2000s was the norm. About that time there was a flood of divorces and families rearranging. The double KH we attended became a child swapping fest with the divorced parents at the meeting in the two different halls and the kids running back and forth between them. There were also the childless couples who pretended to go on need greater preaching trips but were actually just exotic vacations and they took one token photo in front of the local KH. They were the rock stars and everyone wanted to be like them. It was not unusual to see the KH parking lot filled with mostly BMWs, Mercedes, and several Ferraris on Sunday. The crash of 2008 hit hard here. Many were losing their over financed homes and moving in with family. One assembly a couple we were close with were interviewed on stage and praised how they had decided to “simplify their lives“ by getting rid of their large expensive home to pioneer. That was a flat out lie! Their home was foreclosed on and they tried to hang on to it tooth and nail! Only after there was no saving it did they begin to spin the story all the way to the stage and their “good example“. 🙄

Through out the years we’ve noticed a significant amount of mental and emotional “issues” within the congregation. Almost as if a group arrested development is necessary to stay in the org and keep living in the last of the last days. As our group of friends are getting older and our parents are elderly and dying in this system and none of this was supposed to happen. It’s like everyone is living in two different worlds. Now the reality of no savings, no retirement plan, never bought a house. no children to care for them when they get older, and the years keep clipping away. For years the discussions always circled back around to the system can’t last much longer because the GB are getting older and the generation - right?

We now see many sisters in their 40s desperately trying IVF. Hardly ever do I work with a sister in my business and they’re not on some kind of anti anxiety or depression med. I know that’s a sensitive topic for many on here. I have worked with the public for years and it’s a disproportionate amount of witnesses vs non witnesses on these meds and many for decades. I had a sister in yesterday dealing with crippling anxiety and the depression of being in her 40s and still single. She could not stop crying at the thought of going back D2D but then the huge guilt of “not doing enough in the ministry”. She would even drive hours away into SF to get CBD so no one would see her and she begged me not to tell anyone. Trust me - not gonna say anything.

The arrested development we see among the sisters has been going on for many years and they encourage each other to stay in the childlike mindset. Many of the sisters have not only an obsession but an outright emotional dependence on all things Disneyland. 😳 Now I know a lot of people enjoy Disneyland and I’m not talking about the family vacation. I’m talking groups of adult, childless sisters that lived for Disney. They would plan multiple trips together per year without their husbands. They would sob and go into deep depression if they couldn’t go for any reason. Even going into debt or fighting with their husband about the expense. They wore the mouse ears like a crown for days and posted bizarre pictures of them hugging the Disney characters like they were friends. Their homes were covered in glass Disney figurines and they wore all the Mini Mouse clothing they could get away with. We have lived in multiple states on both coasts and this happened in many congregations.

In the car groups sisters would spend the morning singing the latest “original songs” from the broadcast often breaking into tears when they sang “Just around the corner” 🙄 and sometimes talk to each other in children’s voices. They couldn’t wait for the next Caleb video. I always assumed I was the one not trying hard enough to be close with them but I just couldn’t play along with their fantasy worlds. For the brothers it seems the org has focused for years on softening them down. The brothers have become so passive about everything except defending the GB. The men in the congregation are not allowed to have any real alpha qualities, perhaps that’s why we still have a no beard attitude. Can’t have strong males and maybe that’s why no elders pushed back on the v@x roll out. My husband has been so disappointed with his fellow elders and the men he looked up to. Not one would stand up to protect the congregation or even question what was happening. His talking with the other elders and the CO obviously has caused problems but we don’t care. He has often been counseled on being “too aggressive“ sorry, he’s not a house cat 🐈.

The real cherry on top happened this summer for us and the cruel reality of what the org does to peoples lives. Our long time friend died from the v, she’s the one that woke up paralyzed and died soon after. She had pioneered for close to 60 years, it’s literally all she lived for. I don’t have hardly a picture of her without a book bag in her hand. Her and I would be out till dark in service. Their only son left the truth decades before and they completely cut him off, they never got to know him of his family. When they got too old and sick he was called upon to come care for them, the parents he didn’t know now needed him. As we sat on her Zoom funeral watching the video of her life nonstop in the ministry while her old husband sobbed and the song “Just around the corner“ played over and over again like a cruel, final joke.
I know this is a long post. Just trying to make sense of a lifetime of weirdness that we just accepted as normal. Sorry if I struck a nerve for anyone. Maybe writing it out is a little therapeutic.
Oh my goodness. You echo my exact feelings about Disney! No offense to any Disney lovers on this forum either, but I lived in SoCal for 16 years and my husband and I always found the Adult Disney Obsession to be very perturbing but then we figured it out-its a total escape from the reality of adulthood and the world and their lives that they don't want to deal with. When they are there, they def check out and check in to an alternate reality. You are right in calling it "arrested development". To me it shows just how much trauma and hurt adults (and yes Witnesses too) in this country really have.

Disclaimer: I am just not a theme park person. I hated Disney. I still have flashbacks of getting trapped in a moving human Mob of Star Wars zombies going the wrong way with my toddler in a stroller screaming that she dropped her shoe a ways back in 100 degrees heat. I also recall waiting in an hour and half long line for a ride (arm about to fall off from now holding said large toddler for 1.5 hrs) nearly to the front when my other daughter could not hold her bladder and we had to get out of line. I got so frustrated with it all and all I could see all around me was a blur of mostly sunburnt people eating giant turkey legs and I started to panic. I remember rushing out of that wasteland as fast as possible and telling some guy next to me "Whoever said this is the happiest place on earth has never been here with a toddler!". Then I rammed my stroller into a few things on my way out for good measure (not with my kid in it) and swore I would never return and I haven't. My kids knew not even to ask lol 🤣
 
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Oh my goodness. You echo my exact feelings about Disney! No offense to any Disney lovers on this forum either, but I lived in SoCal for 16 years and my husband and I always found the Adult Disney Obsession to be very perturbing but then we figured it out-its a total escape from the reality of adulthood and the world and their lives that they don't want to deal with. When they are there, they def check out and check in to an alternate reality. You are right in calling it "arrested development". To me it shows just how much trauma and hurt adults (and yes Witnesses too) in this country really have.

Disclaimer: I am just not a theme park person. I hated Disney. I still have flashbacks of getting trapped in a moving human Mob of Star Wars zombies going the wrong way with my toddler in a stroller screaming that she dropped her shoe a ways back in 100 degrees heat. I also recall waiting in an hour and half long line for a ride (arm about to fall off from now holding said large toddler for 1.5 hrs) nearly to the front when my other daughter could not hold her bladder and we had to get out of line. I got so frustrated with it all and all I could see all around me was a blur of mostly sunburnt people eating giant turkey legs and I started to panic. I remember rushing out of that wasteland as fast as possible and telling some guy next to me "Whoever said this is the happiest place on earth has never been here with a toddler". Then I rammed my stroller into a few things on my way out for good measure (not with my kid in it) and swore I would never return and I haven't. My kids knew not even to ask lol 🤣
Lol funny,I’m trying to picture you racing out of there with the fam 🤣 I didn’t let my kids watch a lot of shows especially Disney. Mind you my m*i*l bought soooo many movies & allowed the kids to watch them when I wasn’t around 🤦🏼‍♀️🤐 My daughter now proudly displays them in her living room.
 
Then I rammed my stroller into a few things on my way out for good measure
LOL Jess! This made me chuckle picturing you doing that. 🤣 I am not a theme park person either. I endured some small amusement parks for the sake of my kiddos when they were younger but they never went to any Disney park. I went, in my 20s and was just not impressed.

I never forbid my kids from watching Disney, but I knew of families who did. My husband is actually a big fan of Disney. At the recommendation of our COBE (coordinater of body of elders) he insisted on subscribing to the Disney Plus Roku channel. I choose my battles.
 
Oh my goodness. You echo my exact feelings about Disney! No offense to any Disney lovers on this forum either, but I lived in SoCal for 16 years and my husband and I always found the Adult Disney Obsession to be very perturbing but then we figured it out-its a total escape from the reality of adulthood and the world and their lives that they don't want to deal with. When they are there, they def check out and check in to an alternate reality. You are right in calling it "arrested development". To me it shows just how much trauma and hurt adults (and yes Witnesses too) in this country really have.

Disclaimer: I am just not a theme park person. I hated Disney. I still have flashbacks of getting trapped in a moving human Mob of Star Wars zombies going the wrong way with my toddler in a stroller screaming that she dropped her shoe a ways back in 100 degrees heat. I also recall waiting in an hour and half long line for a ride (arm about to fall off from now holding said large toddler for 1.5 hrs) nearly to the front when my other daughter could not hold her bladder and we had to get out of line. I got so frustrated with it all and all I could see all around me was a blur of mostly sunburnt people eating giant turkey legs and I started to panic. I remember rushing out of that wasteland as fast as possible and telling some guy next to me "Whoever said this is the happiest place on earth has never been here with a toddler!". Then I rammed my stroller into a few things on my way out for good measure (not with my kid in it) and swore I would never return and I haven't. My kids knew not even to ask lol 🤣
I grew up in SoCal too and visiting Disney once every 5 years was plenty. Unfortunately when you have children and live close by you often go too many times. When my children were young I went every year but now you could not pay me enough to go back. But I do like State Fairs!
 
Now I know a lot of people enjoy Disneyland and I’m not talking about the family vacation. I’m talking groups of adult, childless sisters that lived for Disney. They would plan multiple trips together per year without their husbands. They would sob and go into deep depression if they couldn’t go for any reason. Even going into debt or fighting with their husband about the expense. They wore the mouse ears like a crown for days and posted bizarre pictures of them hugging the Disney characters like they were friends. Their homes were covered in glass Disney figurines and they wore all the Mini Mouse clothing they could get away with. We have lived in multiple states on both coasts and this happened in many congregations.
BIZARRE!
and sometimes talk to each other in children’s voices. They couldn’t wait for the next Caleb video.
They're emotionally stunted. The WBTS is destroying the Brothers and Sisters and they have a lot to answer for.

I'm really only commenting here so I get notices of replies...and to thank you for starting a barnstorming discussion. Fascinating look into the psyche of your typical JW now.
 
BIZARRE!

They're emotionally stunted. The WBTS is destroying the Brothers and Sisters and they have a lot to answer for.

I'm really only commenting here so I get notices of replies...and to thank you for starting a barnstorming discussion. Fascinating look into the psyche of your typical JW now.
I’m very concerned about the mental stability in the congregation. The Disney thing is just a symptom of very serious issues. It’s not just a quirky or innocent hobby. They literally cannot cope with real life. Unfortunately we have seen the dark turn this can take. One of our ”Disney sisters” committed suicide a few years ago. She was distraught her husband could no longer afford to keep them living in their expensive home. She could not deal that he moved them into a smaller home and was embarrassed that they now lived in the “poor area”. She posted all this on Facebook and that she was suicidal. Her husband was out of town working and a local elder went to check on her. She told him she was suicidal. He encouraged her to pray more and left her alone. He was the last one to see her alive. He gave her memorial talk and described her as “a fish out of water in this life”. Her memorial handout featured a picture of her smiling in her mouse ears at the Magic Kingdom.
 
To be completely honest, I've never enjoyed the door to door ministry. I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I've always had to force myself to do it. I'm quite the introvert so I don't enjoy uncomfortable conversations with strangers which is what most of d2d is.

In fact, in my 30 years as a JW I've never had a bible student that I got from d2d. They were always referrals or family. I'm not very skilled at return visits either. But I have enjoyed conducting bible Studies in the past. I tend to put myself in the place of the householder at the door and realize that I wouldn't want someone pushing something on me. I can't stand working with pushy publishers.

When I reflect on it now, perhaps in my heart, I knew that many of the doctrines were not correct so that may have prevented me from giving my all.

That being said, since I've been "awakened" my desire to preach JW doctrine has dwindled. I'm mostly motivated by a desire to support my PIMI wife and if I can share basic Bible truth with someone...well at least I'm still following Christ's command to preach the good news. But the past few months have been the least amount of service time I've ever recorded. I'm very de-motivated altogether. I typically just use either a scriptural presentation or a tract since they contain mostly basic Bible truths. I'm not going to promote WT doctrine. I typically try to focus on God's kingdom since that is what Jesus taught us to focus on with our ministry. If I ever get an actual study, I'll have to cross that bridge when I get there. I would probably teach the student the basics and when we get to WT doctrine I would warn them and tell them to do their research.

I'm in a tough position with my wife being PIMI. I don't want to stir the pot too much so My new goal is to fade as much as possible while still supporting her. Interestingly, she has kind of been following my lead. I feel that her desire to change congregations is an opportunity for me to step down. I'm a firm believer in the power of intention. It's all about focusing ones energies on a goal, then slowly and consistently making concerted moves toward that goal. The universe will fall in line. We just have to find the rhythm and frequency and harmonize with it. We really can "bend spoons". I've experienced it happen throughout my lifetime and now I am becoming more aware of it.

I digress, hopefully that answers your question. Are you still active in the formal ministry? I'd like to hear how you are coping likewise.
I can sympathise with those sentiments jah-son. I was never at ease with door to door myself. I think part of the problem was that the meetings were rarely, if ever, encouraging. They always seemed to be negative. This is wrong, that is wrong, everything is wrong, and even that we ourselves are wrong and are just slaves doing as we aught to do. Our professions were wrong, the people we work with are full of evil, we have no place in or with the world, and even that we should not trust to our own heart motivation, but be guided in that by the GB. It is a wonder that any of us were happy.
 
We’re not doing any formal ministry and haven’t for at least a year. We were keeping up pretty good with Zoom letter writing until the cvd updates and then we just stopped. We can’t in good conscience direct others to the org. That was a difficult time for us as we grappled with what our preaching would look like going forward. We have done a few random Zoom service appearances cause my husband is still a group overseer which is getting weirder by the day. When we’ve been on we’re not writing letters, we’re either online shopping or I’m on this group! 😆 Just being honest. But I am happy to report that after much prayer asking for direction on how and what to preach we are now having really good Bible discussions with work associations and customers! It’s happening so easily and our conversations are refreshing and casual. We really enjoy discussing scriptures with people we just steer clear of WT.
That must be very difficult with a PIMI spouse and I applaud your support of her during this delicate time. I’m so thankful my husband is awake with me! It didn’t happen all at the same time for us. We both knew something was seriously wrong with the GB and the cvd nonsense but as I mentioned before he was holding out looking for some hope or redemption of the org for a few months. We had lots of discussions and sometimes he would just say that was enough for one day and he’d have to go process - everyone has their own way of getting there. We’re on the same page now and can even joke about the borg and how silly it all seems now. Hang in there - she’ll come around.
That a nice story to read citrine. Thanks for that. My wife, in the common watchtower vernacular references to the stumbled is an ARSE - Against Religion Secularly Entrenched. We met and married during my sojourn in the spiritual desert post watchtower, but if Jehovah ever gave me a gift, it is her. I am hopeful of her listening to the truth come the terror of awakening. However well our lamps are trimmed and full of oil, I think we all will have our eyes opened and our speculation tested to its very limits = but thankfully, no further so the bible tells us.
 
So the brothers obsessed with football (soccer) teams and video games. We are not going there? 🤣
 

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Cathy Obrien who is my neighbor and friend was a whitehouse MK-Ultra slave. This video was from 1995....listen how many times she talks about the New World Order from back then and references events that we see happening today. Her story is horrific. She is very active today and is getting her message out as to the plan of the New World Order.
You really know Kathy?!?!?!?!? WOW. Good to know shes still around. I think of her often. I read her book TRANCEformation of America when I was around 18 years old. It was so difficult to get through...the things she went through....
 
You really know Kathy?!?!?!?!? WOW. Good to know shes still around. I think of her often. I read her book TRANCEformation of America when I was around 18 years old. It was so difficult to get through...the things she went through....
Yes she is a very good friend of mine. We are neighbors here in Alabama. We both live on the Tennessee River. You should check out her new documentary.
 
We can’t in good conscience direct others to the org.
Same for my husband and I. How can I tell other people to join...or even conduct a serious bible study when I can barely stand it as it is? It tore my conscience up for a long time. For a while we started just directing people to try reading the Bible, and stopped recommending the website but then we decided to stop altogether. Being in service and listening to people go on and on about how scary convid is, how many tests they've taken and how excited they were for their next booster shot made me never want to return.
 
Yes she is a very good friend of mine. We are neighbors here in Alabama. We both live on the Tennessee River. You should check out her new documentary.
I would absolutely love to! Do you mind telling me what it is called?
Honestly Im just too surprised that you actually know THE Cathy O'Brien. She survived so many horrors. I remember in the book they did mind control with harmonics (or something like that) on her daughter and messed her up really bad with all of their experiments and ritual abuse. Do you happen to know if her daughter ever got better? Or if she ever got out of the bad situation she was in? I really do think of Cathy often, my heart broke for her again and again when I read her book.
 
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I can sympathise with those sentiments jah-son. I was never at ease with door to door myself. I think part of the problem was that the meetings were rarely, if ever, encouraging. They always seemed to be negative. This is wrong, that is wrong, everything is wrong, and even that we ourselves are wrong and are just slaves doing as we aught to do. Our professions were wrong, the people we work with are full of evil, we have no place in or with the world, and even that we should not trust to our own heart motivation, but be guided in that by the GB. It is a wonder that any of us were happy.
On the familiar "hearts are treacherous" rhetoric the LXX words that passage quite differently on the heart.

9 The heart is deep beyond all things, and it is the man, and who can know him?
10 I the Lord try the hearts, and prove the reins, to give to every one according to his ways, and according to the fruits of his devices.
 
I would absolutely love to! Do you mind telling me what it is called?
Honestly Im just too surprised that you actually know THE Cathy O'Brien. She survived so many horrors. I remember in the book they did mind control with harmonics (or something like that) on her daughter and messed her up really bad with all of their experiments and ritual abuse. Do you happen to know if her daughter ever got better? Or if she ever got out of the bad situation she was in? I really do think of Cathy often, my heart broke for her again and again when I read her book.
This is Cathy Obrien and me at my home a couple of months ago. Here is one of her latest videos. Here daughter is still in Tennessee she did not get better. Cathy's husband Mark Phillips (who rescued her) died suddenly 3 years ago. Cathy has a young couple that lives with her. So she is not alone.
 

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I would absolutely love to! Do you mind telling me what it is called?
Honestly Im just too surprised that you actually know THE Cathy O'Brien. She survived so many horrors. I remember in the book they did mind control with harmonics (or something like that) on her daughter and messed her up really bad with all of their experiments and ritual abuse. Do you happen to know if her daughter ever got better? Or if she ever got out of the bad situation she was in? I really do think of Cathy often, my heart broke for her again and again when I read her book.
https://rumble.com/vnrf1h-cathy-obrien-talks-mk-ultra-mind-control-with-pete-santilli-october-14-2021.html
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5bKbDdWSFPZU/
https://www.cosmicnews.org/2021/10/09/cathy-obrian-mk-ultra-child-trafficking-ds-michael-jaco/
 
Same for my husband and I. How can I tell other people to join...or even conduct a serious bible study when I can barely stand it as it is? It tore my conscience up for a long time. For a while we started just directing people to try reading the Bible, and stopped recommending the website but then we decided to stop altogether. Being in service and listening to people go on and on about how scary convid is, how many tests they've taken and how excited they were for their next booster shot made me never want to return.
But don't you feel we should still be witnessing about Jehovah?
 
Yes, I suppose we should. But I cant do it with the organization anymore. Not after learning what they're involved in.
The people I have been witnessing to lately I have found that they have bible knowledge but they don't know how to tie it together. It's amazing because of recent world events they can see it (see the truth) where before they couldn't.
 
Thank you for your thoughts. I can completely relate to how true your observations are. “Arrested development” is such an apt description. The only way to mentally survive the “operation of error” of being constantly in anticipation of Armageddon, is to suspend reality. Jesus encouraged us to live in expectation of his return, but I doubt he would of wanted Christian’s to endure two thousand years of faux martyrdom. Surely he would of wanted a healthy balance of living your best life possible in union with faith?
 
I would absolutely love to! Do you mind telling me what it is called?
Honestly Im just too surprised that you actually know THE Cathy O'Brien. She survived so many horrors. I remember in the book they did mind control with harmonics (or something like that) on her daughter and messed her up really bad with all of their experiments and ritual abuse. Do you happen to know if her daughter ever got better? Or if she ever got out of the bad situation she was in? I really do think of Cathy often, my heart broke for her again and again when I read her book.
SpicySpic I got an email today from Cathy Obrien...I wanted to share it with you She wrote the following:

I hope so! I want to see you so much. Check this confidential copy of an email I was just answering from a survivor of Jehovah’s Witness:

Loved your interview with Mel K and Dr. Ardis. I resonate completely with all 3 of you. Especially your message about love and truth. I was mind controlled by Jehovah's Witnesses for 45 years (along with 8 members of my family) I am the only one that left after learning about the 2015 major child abuse cover-up in the Australian Branch. They admitted during the Royal Commission court to 1006 pedophile cases with over 1800 victims and not a single case was reported to the authorities!!! Most victims do not come forward, so the number of victims is probably at least double. As an elder in the congregation for 40 years serving in 7 different congregations, I would be happy to give you more information about this case if you think it will help other people. I have now become an avid reader and researcher. 3 Principles I now live by 1. Keep an Open Mind. 2. Question Everything. 3. Do everything out of Love.
 
Yes she is a very good friend of mine. We are neighbors here in Alabama. We both live on the Tennessee River. You should check out her new documentary.
I saw an interview she did years ago. So where can we find her new video?
 
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