Jw murder suicide at kingdom hall

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I did not know that watchtower had a public information department. I really thought these two guys were Fox News reporters until one of them mentioned “ We know Jehovah’s angels protected the assembly…”. That is a lie. No one can “know” for certain, no matter how much we would like to be on speaking terms with the creator. Is that not what faith is about? There is no hint from them that the watchtower wishes to revisit its thinking or processes in the lght of this tragedy. I wonder what horrors are going on in watchtower that may have provoked such a level of despair in this man’s mind to kill his wife and himself in such a place. In stead of introspection in responsibility and care towards those in this tragedy, they place themselves as the victims and make a TV display of false shock and horror. It is akin to them running over a family in their car on a crossing and blaming their victims for legitimately being in the road. How arrogant to ignore the law of cause and effect. Murder and suicide in the building dedicated to the creator? Is it possible to make a deeper statement of despair in a religious community? Rather that look inwardly, watchtower dress up in their finest, put on there society rings, tone up their “shocked voices”, invoke the name of Jehovah in this tragedy and wash their hands in a bowl of their victims blood and dry them on their robes in public. What will it take to burst open the gates holding back the tribulation? “How long Jehovah…how long”.
 

Jah-son

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I knew Enoch Apodaca. I didnt know him well but I had met him before. He was an electrician so we crossed paths in construction trade from time to time. I think he was on the RBC back in the day. Very sad to see what people are being driven into. Seems like an act of desperation.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I knew Enoch Apodaca. I didnt know him well but I had met him before. He was an electrician so we crossed paths in construction trade from time to time. I think he was on the RBC back in the day. Very sad to see what people are being driven into. Seems like an act of desperation.
So it’s pretty clear now that he was disfellowshipped. What a sad thing to see what desperation does to people. Something like this probably didn’t even have to happen.
 

Jah-son

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The caller told police that Apodaca had been “kicked out” of the Kingdom Hall congregation three years before, that he was “very intelligent and manipulative” and that he’d threatened to make bombs.

“[Caller] is concerned that something is going to occur that could be prevented,” the call taker noted.

 

SusanB

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The caller told police that Apodaca had been “kicked out” of the Kingdom Hall congregation three years before, that he was “very intelligent and manipulative” and that he’d threatened to make bombs.

“[Caller] is concerned that something is going to occur that could be prevented,” the call taker noted.

Actually he does sound like a nut. There really is no excuse for what he did regardless of the provocation, either real or imagined.
 

DoubleThink333

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More bad news for the Watchtower but this is from Japan.

How interesting! Revelation tells us the wild beast of man’s governments will turn on the harlot of false religion, but we’re also told that God’s chosen people would be attacked by a coalition of nations.... really makes me wonder where the JW org is going to land .... I’m sure they will claim the latter position, but I’m not buying it anymore, LoL
 

PJ54

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Hey friends,
I happen to find this video on YouTube this evening. It has to do with the murder suicide that happened at the Kingdom Hall a few days ago. Could someone tell me if it seems legit. It’s about 7and a half minutes long.

If this is the case then the Org really is going the path of ancient Israel.
 

Sundial

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All we need is for something weird to happen at an assembly. Someone could pop a balloon and cause a stampede.
You know the Org has always discouraged self defense of any kind but with the new direction will attendants be allowed to use force? It sounded like they don't trust Jehovah to protect them. 😒
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Hey friends,
I happen to find this video on YouTube this evening. It has to do with the murder suicide that happened at the Kingdom Hall a few days ago. Could someone tell me if it seems legit. It’s about 7and a half minutes long.

I thought that PID video was presented in the public domain of watchtower. There is no symbol to see on the ring, and his gesturing was normal for a person listing things in his mind. The interview/discussion was well rehearsed but certainly, if I was investigating the case, their discussion would form an ‘evidence indicator’ simply because that is what it is, I.e., an actioned linked to an event. After all, the twin towers occurred on the same day as some military preparedness was being rehearsed, the insurance on the building was hiked a week previously, certain people broke their routine of being at the centre on that day etc etc. The stakes would be very high for someone to make a broadcast such as you quote the day before an event but given the business acumen of watchtower, it could not be ruled out as they thrive on attention rather than prudence - yet that in itself is an issue, because they would gain substantially more attention if they had acted to prevent it. This brings into consideration though, the motive behind what was happening. Naturally, we are eager to see the prophetic developments in watchtower, but I would not let this event and any watchtower conjecture distract me from our spiritual pursuit here. Watchtower will meet is destiny at the hands of Jehovah on the appointed day and not one second sooner. And….there will be no doubt about it! Hold on until then.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I thought that PID video was presented in the public domain of watchtower. There is no symbol to see on the ring, and his gesturing was normal for a person listing things in his mind. The interview/discussion was well rehearsed but certainly, if I was investigating the case, their discussion would form an ‘evidence indicator’ simply because that is what it is, I.e., an actioned linked to an event. After all, the twin towers occurred on the same day as some military preparedness was being rehearsed, the insurance on the building was hiked a week previously, certain people broke their routine of being at the centre on that day etc etc. The stakes would be very high for someone to make a broadcast such as you quote the day before an event but given the business acumen of watchtower, it could not be ruled out as they thrive on attention rather than prudence - yet that in itself is an issue, because they would gain substantially more attention if they had acted to prevent it. This brings into consideration though, the motive behind what was happening. Naturally, we are eager to see the prophetic developments in watchtower, but I would not let this event and any watchtower conjecture distract me from our spiritual pursuit here. Watchtower will meet is destiny at the hands of Jehovah on the appointed day and not one second sooner. And….there will be no doubt about it! Hold on until then.
BTD this video in no way will distract me from my spiritual pursuit here. Most of us, including myself are well aware of the wicked schemes of this world, including Watchtower. Before posting the video I specifically stated what I mostly wanted to point out was the fact that it seemed they already knew in advance what was going to happen, and that it was somewhat shocking to me.
I realize that you‘ve been knowing about WT and are more familiar with their dirty deeds through the years. For me this is still all fairly new, especially as I come to learn even more about this organization. Although my dedication in March 1982 I believed was solely to Jehovah, how they somehow wove their deceitful man made ideas using Jehovah as a front I did not agree to.
I know I shouldn’t keep harping on it but despite my concerns and worries Jehovah is always there by my side to help me cope with all this madness. You need to remember that Jehovah sees us as individuals, so it’s never only one way or no way with Jehovah. As long as we love him and put our trust/ faith in him he’ll be with us.

Yes I’m eager to see the prophetic developments in WT just as many of us are here but this event taking place in no way distracts me from what’s really important. It’s just another strike against WT showing how evil they’ve become, just as Jesus said at Mark 4:22:

“For there is nothing hidden that will not be exposed; nothing is carefully concealed that will not come out in the open.”

Finally, so as to not downplay your comments which I very much appreciated and I know it’s true what you say about the interview/discussion. My only main concern was as I stated earlier. Besides too, I also thought it might be of some interest to others here since it had to do with the topic under discussion. Whether or not the symbol on the ring and his gesturing is of any significance is open for discussion under another topic (not one I’ll open up though)

IMO, the ex witness who posted this video just threw that out there for a little lagniappe! Lol
 
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