Hey everyone, I was just wondering what the turning point was for each of you when you decided to leave the org? I'm feeling lost and confused wondering if I'm doing the right thing or if it's satan trying to pull me away. The updates woke me up but I still feel like I need concrete proof that the org has gone bad.
Lost and confused
- Thread starter goldie
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What difference does it make?! To me a big difference. If the org has gone bad it no longer would have jehovahs holy spirit, right? I also would feel justified in my decision to no longer follow them if they are doing corrupt things. But idk would jehovah want me to stick it out anyway until he straightens things out?. Honestly, I've just never been so confused in my life . I started following u robert on e watchman and it lead me here so I do respect your insight.
PJ54
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This might be helpful:
Leaving the Watchtower
Commentary on the Watchtower Daily Text Tuesday, October 3 Saul . . . spoke to Jonathan his son and to all his servants about putting David to death.—1 Sam. 19:1. Because Saul was determined to kill David, Jonathan faced a conflict of loyalties. Although he had
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Medi-tator
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For me it was the first spin on "this generation" in October of 1995 that started my WT declining awareness. But that was not nearly enough at the time, but it got the ball rolling for me. After a couple of new-light adjustments to "this generation", I was getting very disturbed. They had it wrong about 1914 and could not or refused to admit it!
By 2003 I was about to chuck it all. I became what I thought was desperate, desperate enough to do a Google search for apostate sites in the hopes of getting some answers. Thankfully the first site I found was Robert's and immediately I felt better. I learned I could stumble somewhat but not have to do anything too drastic as I could stumble more toward the loving arms of Jehovah and Jesus. So I stayed a PIMO for 18 years (@Jah-son) until Driven's eyes were opened during the updates last summer. We have together made our stand clear and have stopped our association with the Org but not formally dis-associated or DF'd. Just a solid fade if you will. We are not advocating this for anyone else as each one has to abide by their own individual consciences and pain thresholds.
It is a combo of the child abuse cover ups, the alliances with the United Nations along with the handling of the "vaccine" situation that are at the root of our decisions to never trust the GB again. Yes the org has gone bad and the prophecies show us that would happen. The prophecies also show us that organizational repentance is not going to happen, only repentance by individuals is possible. Jehovah and Jesus will judge accordingly. Our relationship is with them, not the org anyway, so adios Watchtower, the writing is on the wall. One of the main reasons many of the vile "ex-JW" community turn atheists is because they never had a relationship with Jehovah and Jesus to begin with. When their organizational ship sunk in their eyes, so did any semblance of faith. If the org is deemed good or bad it does not matter, because our relationship is with Jehovah and Jesus. I find that ultimately comforting!
I hope that helps Goldie!
MuleJule
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Goldie, I have much sympathy for you. I was feeling the same way when I first joined this forum in January. I was lost, confused, alone. Know that you are not alone. There are many of us here who have felt or still feel the same way you do. This was our life, our beloved organization, the source of truth, our certain hope for the future. Everything in our life was tied up with and revolved around the organization, and "doing Jehovah's will". So where does that leave us when it becomes apparent that the organization is not actually doing Jehovah's will? We pray, we beg Jehovah to lead and guide us. We do research. Lots of research.
Here's what I did / am doing. Read the Bible. Not the NWT. Read and compare other translations. Try to look at the scriptures with fresh eyes, apart from beliefs you have been indoctrinated with.
Read Robert's articles & book, read Crisis of Conscience, and I could recommend several other books. There are a lot of videos too, but it's hard because many exjw videos are not upbuilding and may make things more confusing.
I am still in a limbo situation. I am POMO, because I don't go to meetings anymore or do service, but I have not "outed" myself (other than to my husband and parents) and my congregation has basically forgotten that I exist (which is fine!). I don't know what to do either. I am laying low and using this time to learn and hopefully not get even more confused. When the time comes, I feel like I will know what to do and Jehovah will make it clear.
Thank you very much mediator I really appreciate your answer. It was the updates for me these past 2 years promoting the vax that woke me up that something was very wrong. Then I started digging and found Robert's commentaries on the updates and he was spot on. I even called bethel and spoke with gb helper and told him all my concerns about the vax and even asked why they were pushing it. All he said was its a personal choice we aren't saying to take it or not, but I said, well it sure sounds like you're pushing the friends in that direction. So I was very discouraged at that point, since then I've been finding all kinds of horror stories on sites I guess I shouldn't have been on but I want the truth! I need to know the truth. I also want to be sure that if jehovah is using the GB I don't want to reject them. At this point I'm still hoping something happens that will be more concrete in helping me make that final decision.
Yessss mule jule! You've summed it up perfectly its exactly how I feel. Thank you for sharing. Xx
Medi-tator
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And so you shall! (1meditator 21:3)
Lol cute. 😆 thanks for the laugh. I needed that.And so you shall! (1meditator 21:3)
SusanB
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Hi Goldie, I will tell you about my experience but the only thing that I want to “encourage” is for each person to search the scriptures, pray and wait for Jehovah’s spirit to lead you to resolve this question so that you can have complete peace of mind. I also think it is important to be careful not to give prominence to have our opinion be right, but instead to honestly analyze from what we know about our God and what he has revealed to us in his word, how he feels and what he wants us to do based on his principles.
First and foremost, I was found by the witnesses around 1989 in the door to door work as an adult single mother of 3 children but I was raised as a Catholic. I was an eyewitness of blatant hypocrisy in most religions and religious people and was disgusted by that. I actually would never have become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses if it had not been for the fact that we all have bibles and we look up scriptures during our meetings and so I wanted to be sure no one would ever trick me again into believing nonsense. Knowing the bible was to me a protection against wolves in sheep’s clothing. I thought that by always looking up scriptures to verify the points being made at the meetings and in publications was a great safeguard against religious error. That was really an integral part of my deciding to become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
There were doubts along the way, but the doubts were about the imperfect men and women in the organization and never about the scriptural truths that I was learning. I gave a lot leeway to issues that I saw or that I suspected because we wait on Jehovah, right? So, I’ll list the few that I overlooked but still had logged in my memory. The UN NGO debacle that I was aware of from around 2013 but if I remember correctly Lett did a video addressing that where he said it was just to obtain a library card and they had resigned and it was just a honest mistake. In my mind at that time, I didn’t know if that was true but at the same time I couldn’t prove anything nefarious and I didn’t hear anyone else making accusations either. So, I just logged it but continued in the org.
Also, they seemed to constantly change the definition of what a generation was. That just made no sense to me and I would consider what if they are wrong about 1914. But being wrong about a prophecy date does not negate the bible and so that just wasn’t an issue that would make me want to leave the org.
Then COVID came along and the updates regarding the vaccine. I knew I did not want an experimental vaccine, but before I knew anything concrete about the vaccines, I did think that if my job required it then I would go ahead and get it. My job did not require it and I continued investigating it. When I found out that it damages the blood that is when for me, I decided it was a clear defilement of the flesh and since blood is sacred to Jehovah I could never get the COVID vaccine. Also, I wasn’t sure about the aborted fetal cells but I now am convinced on that too. The more I learned about the vaccines, the more I realized how deadly they are. Also around that time, I saw the jw.org website feature an article about misinformation. That article was nearly identical to articles being printed in worldly news sites and it seemed like a part of operation “mocking bird”. If you haven’t heard of it, that is the CIA trying to control public opinion. Of course I had no real evidence but again, it made me watchful of what else might come through the org.
For me the video updates were devastating. I waited to see if the org would backtrack and apologize, even though Meditator told me they would never apologize. They even contradicted their previous stand on health matters and those prior stands of being neutral regarding health matters were solidly based on scriptural principles. I literally cried for 2 months and could barely work during that time.
Meditator and I felt obligated to at least communicate our feelings along with the scriptural principles to the Elders in our congregation and we wrote a letter to them. We were nearly DF’d last year and to be honest, we did say that we thought it was looking like the GB was becoming an evil slave. So, that statement alone is probably enough to get us DF’d. They did not DF us initially but then they came back around to try to meet with us again. By then, we just decided to not engage with them any longer and I quit the meetings. But as I said I am now “free range” and so I look at the JW app pretty much every day and try to stay aware of what the org is doing and saying. I am obviously on this forum every day and I try to keep up with the e-Watchman site too. I’ve read Robert King’s book and listened to it on audio numerous times and I still witness informally at every opportunity particularly to the friends who still talk with me.
In summary I came to conclusion that for me, I cannot attend the meetings without telling the truth about what the GB, the Elders, etc are doing that violates the scriptures. And, I not only could not promote the 1914 fraud but I would have to verbally call it out when it was mentioned. So, I don’t think that stirring up arguments honor Jehovah but I also don’t think that sitting like a lump on a log while others push fraudulent prophecy interpretations to unsuspecting and vulnerable people is honoring Jehovah either. But that is my conscience. And, when they praise the GB in prayer, which they do often, I cannot say amen to that. Just sitting silently in my opinion would be further ”support” to their fraud. I just can’t do it. However, I did make an honest attempt to go back to the meetings in person when they opened up and I had an emotional breakdown again. So, I honestly believe Jehovah does not want me there. I pray every day for his guidance and it isn’t that I’m not willing to suffer for worshipping him in truth and spirit but it would hurt my conscience to sit silently at the meetings where all sorts of false religious error is being promoted.
Hope this helps.
SusanB
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We each must come to our own conclusion, based on scriptural principles, of how we can honor our God. To some that may be to continue in the organization until he settles matters and I applaud you for following your conscience.
The WT has been doing corrupt things for a long time. They have just been doing it on the low down. It is as Jehovah said of Jerusalem:
"As a cistern keeps its water cool, so she keeps her wickedness cool." With the pandemic, though, it has become more in your face. Ultimately, the WT is going to become an outright opposer of Christ, otherwise known as an antichrist. Obviously, under the deluding influence of a man of lawlessness the organization is not going to be leading anyone into paradise. Still, if you follow through on your dedication to Jehovah you should be good.
Thanks for sharing Driven. I can definitely relate to a lot of what you stated. The vax updates were just so upsetting to me as well, i just couldn't believe how much they were pushing it. I'm doing the same as you, checking the jw site everyday and coming Here to Robert's page. I pray everyday for jehovah to reveal the truth to me and show me the way I should go. So until then, I'll be flip flopping back and forth. Thanks for replying I always enjoy your comments so much. Xx
Thanks Robert. I appreciate your response.
Same.
Citrine
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Goldie we totally understand what you’re going through. My husband had several months of back and forth and yes it does feel like your whole world is turned upside down. Some need to process things emotionally and some are the just give me the facts type. The conclusion I came to was treating the GBs cvd actions like a court case.
1. Do I believe the vx was created to kill / depopulate? Yes
2. Did the GB wholeheartedly endorse the vx? Yes
3. Did the GB act like a mouthpiece for the CDC, WHO, and big Pharma? Yes
4. Did the GB have time to realize if they had made a ”mistake“? Yes. I’m gonna say 2 1/2 years is plenty of time - ain’t no mistake folks!
5. Did the GB put the elders effectively on a gag order to not say anything negative about the v? Yes
6. Did the GB offer any warnings about potential side effects or harm? No
7. Did the GB take into consideration each individual’s unique health circumstances? No it was a blanket vx for all young and old!
8. Did the GB state the vx direction came from Jehovah and Jesus? Yes
9. Does the GB continue to promote the v even after all the mounting evidence against them? Yes
10. Are people getting injured and dying from the v? Yes and this is easily verified by the CDCs own VAERS report - over 31k deaths so far reported but we know that’s only a fraction of the actual number.
I could go on and on but I see a smoking gun and I’m calling out the murderers. There is no way this was ”Jehovah’s direction” so that makes them liars on top of murderers. Case closed in my mind.
1. Do I believe the vx was created to kill / depopulate? Yes
2. Did the GB wholeheartedly endorse the vx? Yes
3. Did the GB act like a mouthpiece for the CDC, WHO, and big Pharma? Yes
4. Did the GB have time to realize if they had made a ”mistake“? Yes. I’m gonna say 2 1/2 years is plenty of time - ain’t no mistake folks!
5. Did the GB put the elders effectively on a gag order to not say anything negative about the v? Yes
6. Did the GB offer any warnings about potential side effects or harm? No
7. Did the GB take into consideration each individual’s unique health circumstances? No it was a blanket vx for all young and old!
8. Did the GB state the vx direction came from Jehovah and Jesus? Yes
9. Does the GB continue to promote the v even after all the mounting evidence against them? Yes
10. Are people getting injured and dying from the v? Yes and this is easily verified by the CDCs own VAERS report - over 31k deaths so far reported but we know that’s only a fraction of the actual number.
I could go on and on but I see a smoking gun and I’m calling out the murderers. There is no way this was ”Jehovah’s direction” so that makes them liars on top of murderers. Case closed in my mind.
Melinda
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Did the GB get money for promoting the VX? Yes Always follow the money
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SusanB
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I agree that they probably did but I haven’t seen any proof yet.