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Zane said:
A young woman in an abusive relationship asked for my advice.

Although he has never hit her, her boyfriend orders her around and requires her to do many things for him.

She has also caught him in many lies, and if she calls him out on them he responds with wild accusations against her and then when they are alone he threatens her.

She says that he is not all bad and is often very kind to her, so she just does what he expects her to do and ignores the lies and threats. But lately his lifestyle is putting her life in danger.

He is also her brother's lifelong best friend and a close friend of the family and if she breaks up with him she fears causing a rift in the family.

What should i tell her?

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By the way, i'm not gonna say her name, but her initials are PIMO

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It may be advisable to get out.

Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. Repay her in the way she treated others, yes, pay her back double for the things she has done; in the cup she has mixed, mix a double portion for her. To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For she keeps saying in her heart: ‘I sit as queen, and I am not a widow, and I will never see mourning.'
 
Zane said:
A young woman in an abusive relationship asked for my advice.

Although he has never hit her, her boyfriend orders her around and requires her to do many things for him.

She has also caught him in many lies, and if she calls him out on them he responds with wild accusations against her and then when they are alone he threatens her.

She says that he is not all bad and is often very kind to her, so she just does what he expects her to do and ignores the lies and threats. But lately his lifestyle is putting her life in danger.

He is also her brother's lifelong best friend and a close friend of the family and if she breaks up with him she fears causing a rift in the family.

What should i tell her?

-

By the way, i'm not gonna say her name, but her initials are PIMO

:)
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I bet his initials are GB
 
DeepThinker said:
I'll never forget how I felt when my cousin, who was in Bethel for over 20 years told me he had to leave because he wouldn't get the injectables.
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I'm so happy to hear that your cousin had the courage to stand for the truth, no matter what it cost him. I was disappointed that so many buckled under the pressure. I'm an older single sister, and I know the price is high. With no family, in or out of the truth; - the cong. and the elders, were my "family" - all I had. The pain of being viewed as week, for going by your conscience is emotionally hard to bear. Because, naturally, I was abandoned right away. However Jehovah came to my rescue, when a younger brother who felt very similar to me, moved into my apt. complex. He is spiritually supportive, and has offered to help, if I need anything, carried, lifted,etc.
Younger people sometimes have more courage and faith, than elders of 50 years service. One elder here, my age, is now bedridden, - they won't say, but I know why. They feel sorry for me spiritually, and want to call on me! I won't talk to them. They only let me fade, for "old times sake". And deep down they know I'm right otherwise they would have DF'd me before now,
Do you know how many more had the courage to leave bethel? I hope your wife continues to be spiritually discerning, - with your help, I'm sure she will.
 
SeaGull said:
I'm so happy to hear that your cousin had the courage to stand for the truth, no matter what it cost him. I was disappointed that so many buckled under the pressure. I'm an older single sister, and I know the price is high. With no family, in or out of the truth; - the cong. and the elders, were my "family" - all I had. The pain of being viewed as week, for going by your conscience is emotionally hard to bear. Because, naturally, I was abandoned right away. However Jehovah came to my rescue, when a younger brother who felt very similar to me, moved into my apt. complex. He is spiritually supportive, and has offered to help, if I need anything, carried, lifted,etc.
Younger people sometimes have more courage and faith, than elders of 50 years service. One elder here, my age, is now bedridden, - they won't say, but I know why. They feel sorry for me spiritually, and want to call on me! I won't talk to them. They only let me fade, for "old times sake". And deep down they know I'm right otherwise they would have DF'd me before now,
Do you know how many more had the courage to leave bethel? I hope your wife continues to be spiritually discerning, - with your help, I'm sure she will.
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It is truly beyond my comprehension that brothers and sisters could let this happen over an issue that is clearly conscience between you and God. This whole situation is the WT claiming to be Christ. They don't have to come on TV and Say it... their actions speak very loud.

We are being divided like never before. And it is to be expected.

Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it -Mt 10:34
 
Citrine said:
Welcome @DeepThinker! We’re all at some level of re-evaluation of what we used to think we knew. Heck I’m trying to figure out how in the world we all agreed some of the trumpets of Revelation were fulfilled by a talk in Cedar Point, OH in 1922 and oddly no one else but us think that 100 years later! 😆😆
As many have stated the cvd broadcasts were our ice water wake up and where we drew the line in the sand.
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@Citrine Now, I thought that was one of the most ridiculous teachings ever explained along with all their other interpretations of Revelation! 🤦‍♀️
 
SeaGull said:
I'm so happy to hear that your cousin had the courage to stand for the truth, no matter what it cost him. I was disappointed that so many buckled under the pressure. I'm an older single sister, and I know the price is high. With no family, in or out of the truth; - the cong. and the elders, were my "family" - all I had. The pain of being viewed as week, for going by your conscience is emotionally hard to bear. Because, naturally, I was abandoned right away. However Jehovah came to my rescue, when a younger brother who felt very similar to me, moved into my apt. complex. He is spiritually supportive, and has offered to help, if I need anything, carried, lifted,etc.
Younger people sometimes have more courage and faith, than elders of 50 years service. One elder here, my age, is now bedridden, - they won't say, but I know why. They feel sorry for me spiritually, and want to call on me! I won't talk to them. They only let me fade, for "old times sake". And deep down they know I'm right otherwise they would have DF'd me before now,
Do you know how many more had the courage to leave bethel? I hope your wife continues to be spiritually discerning, - with your help, I'm sure she will.
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SeaGull said:
I'm so happy to hear that your cousin had the courage to stand for the truth, no matter what it cost him. I was disappointed that so many buckled under the pressure. I'm an older single sister, and I know the price is high. With no family, in or out of the truth; - the cong. and the elders, were my "family" - all I had. The pain of being viewed as week, for going by your conscience is emotionally hard to bear. Because, naturally, I was abandoned right away. However Jehovah came to my rescue, when a younger brother who felt very similar to me, moved into my apt. complex. He is spiritually supportive, and has offered to help, if I need anything, carried, lifted,etc.
Younger people sometimes have more courage and faith, than elders of 50 years service. One elder here, my age, is now bedridden, - they won't say, but I know why. They feel sorry for me spiritually, and want to call on me! I won't talk to them. They only let me fade, for "old times sake". And deep down they know I'm right otherwise they would have DF'd me before now,
Do you know how many more had the courage to leave bethel? I hope your wife continues to be spiritually discerning, - with your help, I'm sure she will.
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At first we heard "he had been given a new assignment", but that wasn't the case. That was a way to make it seem like he wasn't being fired. He never had a job in the real world, so he had to start that process LATE. He didn't even have any references. It's a really shocking turn of events, especially in light of the current world events. I look forward to talking you on here soon!
 
DeepThinker said:
My name is Jake, and I've been around "the truth" my entire life. I've been awake, and in PIMO mode for 3 years. My wife is waking up, but not all the way there. The infamous pandemic Updates made her realize that the GB isn't legit, but she's still hanging on to certain beliefs. It takes time. I'm in my late 40's, and I was raised in the borg, which means I remember when they didn't play games! I'm really appalled by what's happening, and venting is awesome, so thank you all in advance.
Edit: I don't want to offend anyone. I still love Jah and I still think the org has had a few things right, but the beliefs I'm referring to is the whole structure of supreme leadership based on a parable. The whole slave class deal isn't biblical in my opinion.
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Welcome brother. There is so much i would like to be able to say, but cannot, because I have family including an aging mother that I do not want to be shunned by. Although, as of these past two years, I'm not sure she would shun me, she's not to happy with the GB either. So I have to be careful I don't give too much away.

In any case, I am in my early 50's was raised a Witness and I remember the 1975 debacle to some limited degree. (I have a story about it I cannot make public for now.)

Although much of it has made more obvious since now that I have stopped making excuses for WT. I'll say a lot has changed, but a lot has stayed the same. For me seeing the arrogance of the GB, which I had experienced from my local elders back in the early 80'sand ever since, and I always made excuses saying things like "it's perfect org run by imperfect men. Which is non-sense really. Imperfect men cannot create a perfect organization. Even if they had a perfect origination, they would make it imperfect!
As far as waking up your wife...one thing that has really helped me is realizing what is happening is exactly what happened in Jesus day with the Pharisees. It does not diminish what we have or have learned, it just diminishes the GB elevated position they have given themselves. This is the real reason the Gb are so worried about "apostates", not because of the lies, but becasue of the truth they tell. I keep saying this, Jehovah did not stop Satan from "telling his aposate driven lies" to Adam and Eve. So why would the GB be trying so hard to preserve the faith of those whose faith is so fragile they are easily swayed by lies? We are free moral agents and get to decide for ourselves what is the truth or not! The very fact they do not want negative things told about them shows how flimsy there whole house of cards really is!
 
Zane said:
A young woman in an abusive relationship asked for my advice.

Although he has never hit her, her boyfriend orders her around and requires her to do many things for him.

She has also caught him in many lies, and if she calls him out on them he responds with wild accusations against her and then when they are alone he threatens her.

She says that he is not all bad and is often very kind to her, so she just does what he expects her to do and ignores the lies and threats. But lately his lifestyle is putting her life in danger.

He is also her brother's lifelong best friend and a close friend of the family and if she breaks up with him she fears causing a rift in the family.

What should i tell her?

-

By the way, i'm not gonna say her name, but her initials are PIMO

:)
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I see what you did there. :)
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Welcome! Hope more of the friends follow your course.
The org has morphed into the dictatorial autocratic monster it is today thanks to the likes of now dead hardliner Ted Jaracz and his current gov body appointees also hardliners for the most part.
Lockstep obedience to their non scriptural based rules and regulations have replaced what was once an organization that espoused truth and love and has hollowed out the average JW’s ability to think critically which scripture admonishes us to do.

THE POWER STRUGGLE INSIDE THE GOVERNING BODY IN THE 1980S AND 1990S - My Beloved Religion

mybelovedreligion.no mybelovedreligion.no
It’s a lengthy read but quite illuminating in its explanation,by eyewitnesses to the events, of how these fiends hijacked the truth for their own benefit.
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Thanks for the link. This information, along with Crisis of Conscience really offers an insiders view of what goes on behind the curtain and just leaves me wondering about the entire mess that makes up WT. For an organization that claims to be the true religion, it sure has a shady history.
 
Jah-son said:
Thanks for the link. This information, along with Crisis of Conscience really offers an insiders view of what goes on behind the curtain and just leaves me wondering about the entire mess that makes up WT. For an organization that claims to be the true religion, it sure has a shady history.
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Power struggles would be the last thing you’d expect to see among Christian men.
So unbecoming.
 
Nomex said:
Welcome brother. There is so much i would like to be able to say, but cannot, because I have family including an aging mother that I do not want to be shunned by. Although, as of these past two years, I'm not sure she would shun me, she's not to happy with the GB either. So I have to be careful I don't give too much away.

In any case, I am in my early 50's was raised a Witness and I remember the 1975 debacle to some limited degree. (I have a story about it I cannot make public for now.)

Although much of it has made more obvious since now that I have stopped making excuses for WT. I'll say a lot has changed, but a lot has stayed the same. For me seeing the arrogance of the GB, which I had experienced from my local elders back in the early 80'sand ever since, and I always made excuses saying things like "it's perfect org run by imperfect men. Which is non-sense really. Imperfect men cannot create a perfect organization. Even if they had a perfect origination, they would make it imperfect!
As far as waking up your wife...one thing that has really helped me is realizing what is happening is exactly what happened in Jesus day with the Pharisees. It does not diminish what we have or have learned, it just diminishes the GB elevated position they have given themselves. This is the real reason the Gb are so worried about "apostates", not because of the lies, but becasue of the truth they tell. I keep saying this, Jehovah did not stop Satan from "telling his aposate driven lies" to Adam and Eve. So why would the GB be trying so hard to preserve the faith of those whose faith is so fragile they are easily swayed by lies? We are free moral agents and get to decide for ourselves what is the truth or not! The very fact they do not want negative things told about them shows how flimsy there whole house of cards reall
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DR74minus said:
Not sure what you mean by "The whole slave class deal isn't biblical..." Anyway, as you may already know, "Faithful and discrete slave" is legit but its application does not become evident until after the Master has made an inspection of his household.
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Ok. "Slave" was in the parable, but show me where the bible says "slave class?" You can weave things into scripture with a certain doctrine, but "you can neither add, nor take away" right? That means if it is not in any bible it's not biblical. Where's the term "Governing body", or even the idea of a self appointed group of brothers channeling God? You can print thousands of publication's, and make thousands of videos, but the bible is a relatively small book that fits in your hand. All the other literature written for 140 years is supplementary. And oddly enough most of our literature has teachings that have completely changed, but the bible doesn't change. If it did you'd be calling Jehovah a liar.
 
DeepThinker said:
"slave class?"
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You mentioned "slave class" I did not. Anyway I was saying something that you may or may not be aware of. That the "faithful and discrete slave" is not identified until after the Master comes to inspect his household. You are awake enough to know that the Christ did not come into his Kingdom in 1914? Or are you?
 
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DR74minus said:
You mentioned "slave class" I did not. Anyway I was saying something that you may or may not be aware of. That the "faithful and discrete slave" is not identified until after the Master comes to inspect his household. You are awake enough to know that the Christ did not come into his Kingdom in 1914? Or are you?
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Yeah that ship has sailed. You asked what I meant about the GB not being scriptural. They aren't. 👍🏼
 
DeepThinker said:
Yeah that ship has sailed. You asked what I meant about the GB not being scriptural. They aren't. 👍🏼
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I asked what you meant by "The whole slave class deal isn't biblical..." The G/B claiming to be the "faithful and discrete slave"
is not backed by the scriptures. But when Jesus asked the rhetorical question, he did say in the next verse, "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so." Since the master has not come to make the inspection yet, that slave must be getting on in years ( 2000 plus yrs in fact )

The context shows that Jesus was not talking about a single individual but a composite class spanning a long period of time, from the time when the master left a slave in charge of his interests, until he shows up to make the inspection. Since no-one human can live that long, Jesus words would have to apply to a "slave class" over the long period. So while "slave class" is
not mentioned in the bible the concept is supported.
 
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