My Introduction

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I asked what you meant by "The whole slave class deal isn't biblical..." The G/B claiming to be the "faithful and discrete slave"
is not backed by the scriptures. But when Jesus asked the rhetorical question, he did say in the next verse, "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so." Since the master has not come to make the inspection yet, that slave must be getting on in years ( 2000 plus yrs in fact )

The context shows that Jesus was not talking about a single individual but a composite class spanning a long period of time, from the time when the master left a slave in charge of his interests, until he shoes up to make the inspection. Since no-one human can live that long, Jesus words would have to apply to a "slave class" over the long period. So while "slave class" is
not mentioned in the bible the concept is supported.

In modern parlance, perhaps “slave class” should be termed as “employee“. In many cases in Roman antiquity, slaves were inclined to be treated with more respect -perhaps ‘humanity’ is a great better word - than were for instance African people were by the British and American slave traders of recent times. I’m not trying to equate slavery with employment, but that a faithful employee is dedicated to his employer’s interests in much the same way as witnesses work conscientiously for watchtower. In actual fact, in terms of social responsibility, watchtower is probably closer to slavers in their treatment of the brethren, than any other volunteer human resource that I know of. The illustration of
”slave” is the degree of devotion that title denotes - whole souled, diligent and honest in dealing with his master’s needs and being both honourable with and willingly attentive to, his needs. The modern illustration of slavery is rife with feelings of animosity and injustice and rightly so as the modern slave is treated as no more than a resource and despised.
The GB though like to have it both ways in calling themselves faithful and discreet; they assume honour upon themselves, and by doing so, they play false to their role in slavery assuming for themselves, the essence of truth, in that they alone, know what truth is - and thus assume the place of their master. So what you say is true. It’s all in the context.

 

[DR74minus]

In modern parlance, perhaps “slave class” should be termed as “employee“. In many cases in Roman antiquity, slaves were inclined to be treated with more respect -perhaps ‘humanity’ is a great better word - than were for instance African people were by the British and American slave traders of recent times. I’m not trying to equate slavery with employment, but that a faithful employee is dedicated to his employer’s interests in much the same way as witnesses work conscientiously for watchtower. In actual fact, in terms of social responsibility, watchtower is probably closer to slavers in their treatment of the brethren, than any other volunteer human resource that I know of. The illustration of
”slave” is the degree of devotion that title denotes - whole souled, diligent and honest in dealing with his master’s needs and being both honourable with and willingly attentive to, his needs. The modern illustration of slavery is rife with feelings of animosity and injustice and rightly so as the modern slave is treated as no more than a resource and despised.
The GB though like to have it both ways in calling themselves faithful and discreet; they assume honour upon themselves, and by doing so, they play false to their role in slavery assuming for themselves, the essence of truth, in that they alone, know what truth is - and thus assume the place of their master. So what you say is true. It’s all in the context.

The story at Mt 24:45-51 and other verses, is not an explanation about slavery over the years. ( not that I can see ). But it is an explanation about a particular slave class within a particular household ( Christ’s congregation ) over the years. The story also explains that when the master eventually inspects his household ( Christ’s congregation ) , he will not only identify one slave, but two slaves, a faithful slave and an evil slave working together within said household.

 

[LazerHarp]

My name is Jake, and I've been around "the truth" my entire life. I've been awake, and in PIMO mode for 3 years. My wife is waking up, but not all the way there. The infamous pandemic Updates made her realize that the GB isn't legit, but she's still hanging on to certain beliefs. It takes time. I'm in my late 40's, and I was raised in the borg, which means I remember when they didn't play games! I'm really appalled by what's happening, and venting is awesome, so thank you all in advance.
Edit: I don't want to offend anyone. I still love Jah and I still think the org has had a few things right, but the beliefs I'm referring to is the whole structure of supreme leadership based on a parable. The whole slave class deal isn't biblical in my opinion.

I know some that left the org and threw away their beliefs in God as well. It didn't seem to work out very well for them.
There's no foundation left if you go that route.

 

[DeepThinker]

I know some that left the org and threw away their beliefs in God as well. It didn't seem to work out very well for them.
There's no foundation left if you go that route.

I've seen Jah's infinite wisdom, unmatched strength, and limitless power at work in real time TOO many times to be an atheist. No offense to anyone. I just want my worship to be pure. Not tainted with any lies, and not under the direction of anybody pandering to the UN and big pharma.

 

[DeepThinker]

I asked what you meant by "The whole slave class deal isn't biblical..." The G/B claiming to be the "faithful and discrete slave"
is not backed by the scriptures. But when Jesus asked the rhetorical question, he did say in the next verse, "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so." Since the master has not come to make the inspection yet, that slave must be getting on in years ( 2000 plus yrs in fact )

The context shows that Jesus was not talking about a single individual but a composite class spanning a long period of time, from the time when the master left a slave in charge of his interests, until he shows up to make the inspection. Since no-one human can live that long, Jesus words would have to apply to a "slave class" over the long period. So while "slave class" is
not mentioned in the bible the concept is supported.

Interesting ideas. Although the concept might be supported, it's not there. JW's complicate scripture by including too many what if's and maybes. When that doesn't work we bust out a heavily tweaked Bible(of sorts) and find heavily manipulated scriptures to support these assumptions. I should know, because I've been one for almost 50 years. When that fails we write a quick article, and make changes to justify our changes. Like the huge list here...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

 

 

[Ana]

Mi nombre es Jake, y he estado cerca de "la verdad" toda mi vida. He estado despierto y en modo PIMO durante 3 años. Mi esposa se está despertando, pero no del todo. Las infames actualizaciones de la pandemia le hicieron darse cuenta de que GB no es legítimo, pero aún se aferra a ciertas creencias. Toma tiempo. Tengo casi 40 años y me crié en el borg, ¡lo que significa que recuerdo cuando no jugaban! Estoy realmente consternado por lo que está sucediendo, y la ventilación es increíble, así que gracias a todos de antemano.
Edito: no quiero ofender a nadie. Todavía amo a Jah y sigo pensando que la organización ha hecho algunas cosas bien, pero las creencias a las que me refiero son toda la estructura del liderazgo supremo basada en una parábola. En mi opinión, todo el asunto de la clase de esclavos no es bíblico.

Romanos 11. Todo el capítulo es una lectura magnífica para entender cómo quiere Jehová que veamos el error de su pueblo y la bondad que debemos mostrar hacia este, los que hemos sido bendecidos con el conocimiento verdadero. Amor básicamente, hermano.

 

[White Stone]

Interesting ideas. Although the concept might be supported, it's not there. JW's complicate scripture by including too many what if's and maybes. When that doesn't work we bust out a heavily tweaked Bible(of sorts) and find heavily manipulated scriptures to support these assumptions. I should know, because I've been one for almost 50 years. When that fails we write a quick article, and make changes to justify our changes. Like the huge list here...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

 

Actually, all Christians are slave of Christ whether anointed or not.(Luke 19:12,13; Romans 6:16-18) And each has a responsibility to feed the body, that is to build the body of Christ in many ways, physically especially spiritually.(1 Corinthians 12:14-18, 27,28; Ephesians 4:11-14)

Ephesians 4:15,16 “But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ. From him all the body is harmoniously joined together and made to cooperate through every joint that gives what is needed. When each respective member functions properly, this contributes to the growth of the body as it builds itself up in love.”​

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The word “slave class” created by the WT is somewhat like a paradox. The word “slave” indicate of a lowly status but also at the same time, is regarded of great reverence, of great authority as they have put it themselves.

Again, we are all slaves of Christ. As the Lord says:

Mark 10:43,44 “This must not be the way among you; but whoever wants to become great among you must be your minister, and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of all.”​

 

[DR74minus]

Interesting ideas. Although the concept might be supported, it's not there.

The concept is supported. ( You think the concept "might" be supported, the so called "Deep Thinker" ) Read the scriptures. Not the W/T publications. The scriptures clearly show that a slave class has been left in charge of the master's household to feed the domestics their food at the proper time. this is not the W/T's made up stuff it is directly from Jehovah's word. When the master eventually arrives to inspect his household. the faithful slave will be identified, " happy is that slave when the master on arriving finds him doing so..." also the evil slave will be identified too. Since Edited there is a long period of time. when the master arrives; is he going to find a 2,000 + year old slave?. I don't think so. But he will find remnants of a composite "slave class" I was baptized in 83 and in the late 90s I was already convinced Edited that the W/T falsely applied the scriptures to the clergy. I alerted an elder in 99 or 2000 he didn't agree with me. So I left it in Jehovah's hands, until I banged into RK's stuff that aligned with my thinking. So I've been around to org for a couple three days. The more you learn to think for yourself the more you'll leave the W/T publications out of it and use the bible instead. Although I find Jw.org helpful for finding verses.

 

[goldie]

The concept is supported. ( You think the concept "might" be supported, the so called "Deep Thinker" ) Read the scriptures. Not the W/T publications. The scriptures clearly show that a slave class has been left in charge of the master's household to feed the domestics their food at the proper time. this is not the W/T's made up stuff it is directly from Jehovah's word. When the master eventually arrives to inspect his household. the faithful slave will be identified, " happy is that slave when the master on arriving finds him doing so..." also the evil slave will be identified too. Since the period of time. when the master arrives; is he going to find a 2,000 + year old slave?. I don't think so. But he will find remnants of a composite "slave class" I was baptized in 83 and in the late 90s I was already convinced the the W/T falsely applied the scriptures to the clergy. I alerted an elder in 99 or 2000 he didn't agree with me. So I left it in Jehovah's hands, until I banged into RK's stuff that aligned with my thinking. So I've been around to org for a couple three days. The more you learn to think for yourself the more you'll leave the W/T publications out of it and use the bible instead. Although I find Jw.org helpful for finding verses.

Do you still attend meetings DR?

 

[DR74minus]

Do you still attend meetings DR?

Not in person. I look in occasionally via zoom. That is how I became inactive missing meetings became easier, each time I missed. BTW the congregation I visit, is not my congregation I have never met anyone from there other than speak to a coupe elders over the phone. The last "official" congregation I left in 2001.

 

[SusanB]

Interesting ideas. Although the concept might be supported, it's not there. JW's complicate scripture by including too many what if's and maybes. When that doesn't work we bust out a heavily tweaked Bible(of sorts) and find heavily manipulated scriptures to support these assumptions. I should know, because I've been one for almost 50 years. When that fails we write a quick article, and make changes to justify our changes. Like the huge list here...

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174

 

Great list.

 

[DeepThinker]

The concept is supported. ( You think the concept "might" be supported, the so called "Deep Thinker" ) Read the scriptures. Not the W/T publications. The scriptures clearly show that a slave class has been left in charge of the master's household to feed the domestics their food at the proper time. this is not the W/T's made up stuff it is directly from Jehovah's word. When the master eventually arrives to inspect his household. the faithful slave will be identified, " happy is that slave when the master on arriving finds him doing so..." also the evil slave will be identified too. Since Edited there is a long period of time. when the master arrives; is he going to find a 2,000 + year old slave?. I don't think so. But he will find remnants of a composite "slave class" I was baptized in 83 and in the late 90s I was already convinced Edited that the W/T falsely applied the scriptures to the clergy. I alerted an elder in 99 or 2000 he didn't agree with me. So I left it in Jehovah's hands, until I banged into RK's stuff that aligned with my thinking. So I've been around to org for a couple three days. The more you learn to think for yourself the more you'll leave the W/T publications out of it and use the bible instead. Although I find Jw.org helpful for finding verses.

"THE ROCK, PERFECT IS HIS ACTIVITY." - Deuteronomy 32:4

Are you calling Jehovah scatterbrained and confused? You think the Bible is vague and obscure? Interesting. Maybe you know a different God altogether? The One I know preserved the Bible. Alone. You can read it from Genesis - Revelations without a man guiding you, and understand the message with perfection. Nothing you're talking about matters in this season. Wakeup. The Bible never mentioned any supplementary writing about the old testament? I'm not sure why your triggered though. I never insulted you.
Edit: And I only read the first couple of sentences to your replies. Too much negative energy. You're gonna give yourself a stroke.
Another Edit: I'm not even sure if I'm responding to the right person.

 

[DR74minus]

Are you calling Jehovah scatterbrained and confused?

I never said that. You're scatterbrained and confused and clueless for considering it. And easily offended too by the looks? Ec 7:9 I seem to have the ability to bring out the worst in people. Run along now.

 

[Nomex]

I seem to have the ability to bring out the worst in people.

Yeah...this is hilarious.

I have know a few people like you in my life. I had more than a few discussions about this subject with my father who was a sage. This was a particular subject of interest, because we had a family member that this was "happening to". He also seemed to "bring out the worst in people." That's what he told himself. I asked my father "when is he going to realize, it's not everyone else in the world that has the problem, it's him?" This was unfortunately only a couple years before reality came crashing down, and he ended up committing suicide!

Run along now.

This comment right here, is why you think you are "bringing out the worst in people."

No, it's just you are extremely unlikable! You are blaming someone that you punched, for punching you back!

Why don't you run along!

 

[Nomex]

And two introduction threads in a row....what a jerk you are!

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

And two introduction threads in a row....what a jerk you are!

@Nomex!

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Yeah...this is hilarious.

I have know a few people like you in my life. I had more than a few discussions about this subject with my father who was a sage. This was a particular subject of interest, because we had a family member that this was "happening to". He also seemed to "bring out the worst in people." That's what he told himself. I asked my father "when is he going to realize, it's not everyone else in the world that has the problem, it's him?" This was unfortunately only a couple years before reality came crashing down, and he ended up committing suicide!


This comment right here, is why you think you are "bringing out the worst in people."

No, it's just you are extremely unlikable! You are blaming someone that you punched, for punching you back!

Why don't you run along!

That’s what I like about you Nomex, you just speak your mind…no matter what.

 

[Given]

Actually, all Christians are slave of Christ whether anointed or not.(Luke 19:12,13; Romans 6:16-18) And each has a responsibility to feed the body, that is to build the body of Christ in many ways, physically especially spiritually.(1 Corinthians 12:14-18, 27,28; Ephesians 4:11-14)

Ephesians 4:15,16 “But speaking the truth, let us by love grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ. From him all the body is harmoniously joined together and made to cooperate through every joint that gives what is needed. When each respective member functions properly, this contributes to the growth of the body as it builds itself up in love.”​

​

The word “slave class” created by the WT is somewhat like a paradox. The word “slave” indicate of a lowly status but also at the same time, is regarded of great reverence, of great authority as they have put it themselves.

Again, we are all slaves of Christ. As the Lord says:

Mark 10:43,44 “This must not be the way among you; but whoever wants to become great among you must be your minister, and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of all.”​

Exactly what I was thinking,we are all slaves.

 

[DeepThinker]

I never said that. You're scatterbrained and confused and clueless for considering it. And easily offended too by the looks? Ec 7:9 I seem to have the ability to bring out the worst in people. Run along now.

Easily offended? Run along? You need medication. Heavy doses of something old-school like barbiturates. You lost an argument with yourself, then dismissed yourself. Btw Have taken all your boosters? You should go immediately and get a few before they start charging an arm and a leg.

 

[Watchman]

Easily offended? Run along? You need medication. Heavy doses of something old-school like barbiturates. You lost an argument with yourself, then dismissed yourself. Btw Have taken all your boosters? You should go immediately and get a few before they start charging an arm and a leg.

Hey, Jake. What gives? You introduced yourself. Everyone welcomed you, and then you proceed to stir up contentions and insult others. I am giving you a warning and suggesting you think deeply about what you are doing because I am not going to allow you to keep doing what you are doing. And I am closing your introduction thread.