New World Order

jay

Well-known member
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and video. Very informative. CTR gave us so much. Love him.

As much as I try to expand the scope of my understanding, I realize how little I know, ultimately. I was just in an elders meeting a week ago and was asked if I believed in the FDS and I replied that I wanted to and, like Peter, had no other place to go. Also that they have never claimed infallibility, and that I would not adhere if they wanted me to believe that 2+2=5. Never thought I'd have my loyalty questioned over this non-theological issue. Doctrinal reversals over medical neutrality and the fact that, I guess we DON'T believe that there is a secret, sinister cabal bent on world domination have got me puzzled. That and the gag order turning elders into a goon squad to squelch clot-shot criticism have been of concern, to say the least. Anyway, thanks for the chat.
welcome Dynamo
 

Citrine

Well-known member
I’m of the mindset where there’s smoke there’s fire. What are the odds Russel just happened to be involved with Zions WT, the Knights Templar cross in the crown, pyramidology, a weird divorce with accusations, bizarre circumstances around his death on Halloween, a giant pyramid just coincidentally placed near his grave 🙄, and so many other random stuff all with Masonic ties. And let’s not forget the old “Judge” cavorting around a SoCal mansion for over 20 years with married sisters as his personal “nurses” while still maintaining control over WT with no one questioning it … for years?! And we’re the clean, moral beacon the Jesus personally inspected in 1918?! 🤮 WT could only survive this long by whitewashing it’s history and demanding the flock never look into the actual history or connecting the dots! I used to feel embarrassed for my LDS friends and wonder how they couldn’t see how ridiculous the whole Joseph Smith story was and that they were clearly in a man made cult! Well guess what folks, we came from the same loony bin and all we have today is the same lying, fake leadership we’ve always had! Everything is a rich man’s trick and always has been! And nothing proves we’re in a cult more than when you literally have to make an escape plan to get out!
 

Ireneo

Well-known member
I’m of the mindset where there’s smoke there’s fire. What are the odds Russel just happened to be involved with Zions WT, the Knights Templar cross in the crown, pyramidology, a weird divorce with accusations, bizarre circumstances around his death on Halloween, a giant pyramid just coincidentally placed near his grave 🙄, and so many other random stuff all with Masonic ties. And let’s not forget the old “Judge” cavorting around a SoCal mansion for over 20 years with married sisters as his personal “nurses” while still maintaining control over WT with no one questioning it … for years?! And we’re the clean, moral beacon the Jesus personally inspected in 1918?! 🤮 WT could only survive this long by whitewashing it’s history and demanding the flock never look into the actual history or connecting the dots! I used to feel embarrassed for my LDS friends and wonder how they couldn’t see how ridiculous the whole Joseph Smith story was and that they were clearly in a man made cult! Well guess what folks, we came from the same loony bin and all we have today is the same lying, fake leadership we’ve always had! Everything is a rich man’s trick and always has been! And nothing proves we’re in a cult more than when you literally have to make an escape plan to get out!
It's not really that we're in a cult
We have been contaminated with sectarian ideas which is very different
The sectarian ideas of Nicholas influenced the congregations of the apocalypse ………….. But Jesus still considered them his property and a lampstand to each one
Also even though "Balaam and Jezebel" are up to their mischief
If I accept that lately to a greater degree the GB is generating idolatry and adoration towards itself
I think we have to act like Paul with Peter in Galatians
When Peter dragged the others, Paul stood his ground because Peter, Barnabas, and others had turned away from the good news.
He was not afraid to be alone
Peter dragged the entire congregation of Antioch that was Paul's congregation
I even drag Pablo's best friends
If the GB repents like Peter he will be forgiven, if he continues to stubbornly he will be swept away by the "broom of annihilation"
 

PJ54

Well-known member
I’m of the mindset where there’s smoke there’s fire. What are the odds Russel just happened to be involved with Zions WT, the Knights Templar cross in the crown, pyramidology, a weird divorce with accusations, bizarre circumstances around his death on Halloween, a giant pyramid just coincidentally placed near his grave 🙄, and so many other random stuff all with Masonic ties. And let’s not forget the old “Judge” cavorting around a SoCal mansion for over 20 years with married sisters as his personal “nurses” while still maintaining control over WT with no one questioning it … for years?! And we’re the clean, moral beacon the Jesus personally inspected in 1918?! 🤮 WT could only survive this long by whitewashing it’s history and demanding the flock never look into the actual history or connecting the dots! I used to feel embarrassed for my LDS friends and wonder how they couldn’t see how ridiculous the whole Joseph Smith story was and that they were clearly in a man made cult! Well guess what folks, we came from the same loony bin and all we have today is the same lying, fake leadership we’ve always had! Everything is a rich man’s trick and always has been! And nothing proves we’re in a cult more than when you literally have to make an escape plan to get out!
It just comes to show pure worship hasn't been restored. I suppose this is why the reveling of the sons of the Kingdom will settle matters. Ever since the apostles died, the truth lost it's purity & was hidden in the obscure.
 

Sundial

Well-known member
It just comes to show pure worship hasn't been restored. I suppose this is why the reveling of the sons of the Kingdom will settle matters. Ever since the apostles died, the truth lost it's purity & was hidden in the obscure.
Have you ever listened to or read James Penton? He is a very interesting historian I heard for the first time yesterday on YouTube. It is getting harder and harder to feel optimistic about any of this. :censored:
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
Have you ever listened to or read James Penton? He is a very interesting historian I heard for the first time yesterday on YouTube. It is getting harder and harder to feel optimistic about any of this. :censored:
Yeah, I’ve listened to him before. He has a lot of history and background on Watchtower. And I know what you mean about being harder to feel optimistic. Watchtower/ GB have so many skeletons in their closet there busting out the seams and falling out. Won’t have to worry about zippin your lip. 🤐
 
Last edited:

Citrine

Well-known member
I like this topic. Here's one: There are usually two buildings in town that have no windows, and that's the Kingdom hall and the M@sonic hall.
I can take this one step further. In our area all the halls and assembly halls have some kind of duel pillars in the stage area. I spent quite a bit of time working RBC on both new construction and remodeling in multiple states. Multiple times we discussed doing something different for the back wall behind the speaker. There are literally a million options in the design world, my main career at the time was interior design. Without fail every time we submitted a design option to the overseers (everything had to be run through the branch before approval) we were directed back to put some kind of duel pillars up there. Sure there was some variety in finishes, wood trim, tiles, sconces, etc but it was always a pillar on each side of the speaker. One hall had them on the flanking walls but they were always there. Now let’s think which buildings distinctly have no windows and double pillars at the front. Take your time…
 

Jim

Well-known member
OK, sure 100% "New System of Things" but it was not, "New World Order", it was just the "New Order"...subtle but different! Got baptized when I was 19 BTW! But my Father...LOL...Old school...my Dad was a P.O. in a congregation before they even had Elders. LOL. Going back to WW2!
I am also in my 50's. I was baptized @ the Plant City assembly hall when I was attending the Jax Beach congregation when I was 21. Those were the good ole' days when many of us had no idea who the members of the GB were.
 

Nomex

Well-known member
@Jim I was "courting" a girl and my room mate said, "you're trying to hook up with the best looking sister in the whole Circuit" And my answer was, "Yeah." But this picture brought back memories from when I went there and this was going on...I hadn't thought about this is in a while.
BTW, she wasn't that great a catch, she had a 7 year old son by her drug dealing Ex...and of all the bad decsions I have made this is one I am so thankful I did not make!!!!!
 
Top