Open Question From A Reader: When do the 42 Months Begin and End?
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Posstot
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Good point, because Jesus said that the great tribulation starts with the disgusting thing standing in a holy place; hence, the great tribulation will be 1290 days long, but being cut short somewhat, so that the coming of Christ 'immediately after' the tribulation might involve a month or two. Mat 24:15-22,29,30
After Christ's public coming on the clouds for His parousia, the tables will be turned 'to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for us,' but this is not the 'great tribulation' on Christianity by the beast that Jesus talked about in Mat 24:21; that's how I see it. 2 Thes 1:6-10
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Daniel 9 also provides details about the disgusting 'one causing desolation' to Christianity, but says that there will be a period of 3.5 years [half a week, v 27] before the start of the great tribulation, when he will already be in cahoots with the Christian establishment by means of a 'covenant.' Da 9:24-27
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Is the 1290 days different to 42 months I still get confused ?
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Thanks for the two references from Robert; as to the first one, 'all these things' seems to be the quote from Mat 24:33, which includes Jesus' public coming for His presence, when all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves at seeing Him on the clouds of heaven in power and glory, realizing that their 'times of the gentiles' for trampling Christianity and ruling the world is finished, and their annihilation at Armageddon is about to start.
Hence, I can't see how any beast can arise after the great tribulation when Jesus is revealed to the world with His glorified brothers to inflict 'the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction' on all the wailing tribes of the earth who are guilty of worshiping the beast. 2 Thes 1:7-10
As to the second reference, where according to Robert 'the bible does not say how long the great tribulation will be,' I find that astonishing, because Da 12:1,11 tells us that from the removal of the constant feature and the placing of the disgusting thing there will be 1290 days, and Jesus says that this event will trigger the great tribulation, which therefore will be 1290 days minus a few days being cut short. Mat 24:15,21
Again, Re 11 tells us unambiguously that the trampling of 'Jerusalem,' which is the great tribulation during which the two witnesses will prophesy, will be for 42 months, or 1260 days - it cannot be any clearer.
Thanks for your comments this is all still quite new to me, so I am still learning
jorn
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You are right the beast wont arise after the great tribulation. More likely its during the great tribulation.
The 1290 days may be the time of the great tribulation.
And the 42 months of preaching in sackclothes is also during the great tribulation. The perspective is different, so the timeline become different too.
The man of lawlesness seems to be one of the tools used by KOTN for the trampling.
It is surely no coincidence that Jesus' earthly ministry was basically 42 months. John the Baptist began his ministry in the spring of 29 CE and he baptized Jesus later that year, probably late October of 29 CE. Jesus expired on the Passover, 33 CE, which that year was early April. Jesus' ministry continued in a new form after his resurrection when over the course of 40 days he appeared to his disciples in various guises and then was taken up. In Revelation, the 42 months begin after the beast recovers from the mortal wound and goes off to make war against the holy ones. During that 1,260 interval, the two witnesses will torment the world by announcing that they have seen Christ.
Interestingly, the 12th chapter of Daniel attaches two additional time periods to the 1,260 days (42 months). There is a 1,290 period and a 1,335 day period. Perhaps the end of the 1,290 period will mark the end of the first resurrection, all 144,000 joined with Christ in heaven and an additional 45 days after the marriage of the Lamb until the world is destroyed and Satan and the demons are locked away. That would begin the 1,000-year reign of the Kingdom.
Interestingly, the 12th chapter of Daniel attaches two additional time periods to the 1,260 days (42 months). There is a 1,290 period and a 1,335 day period. Perhaps the end of the 1,290 period will mark the end of the first resurrection, all 144,000 joined with Christ in heaven and an additional 45 days after the marriage of the Lamb until the world is destroyed and Satan and the demons are locked away. That would begin the 1,000-year reign of the Kingdom.
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In Da 12, are the two additional periods 'attached' or rather concurrent with the tribulation, minus the ambiguity regarding the tribulation being cut short?
I can see the temptation to look for time parallels at Christ's first coming, but am reminded that since there is a break with how the first parousia went down in contrast to His second in Lu 17:20-23, that the time elements may also disconnect from being an exact replay.
If there is to be a period of 42 month to 'begin after the beast recovers from the mortal wound and goes off to make war against the holy ones,' then why can't this be the 3.5 years of the great tribulation?
Why does the 'death stroke' on the beast have to be the 'great tribulation,' which I think it isn't, but 3.5 years preliminary to it?
The great tribulation will be nothing short of the collapse of civilization. It can happen very quickly. A few nukes here and there. The power grid goes down. Money disappears. Supply chains break. Governments cease to function. All goes dark. People will rip each other to pieces fighting over the last Twinkee. Fortunately, we have Jesus' word that God will intervene and cut the tribulation short on account of the chosen ones. And in the post-trib period, the 8th king will arise and presume to save mankind from the horrors. And that is when Christ will appear to the chosen. The 42 months coincide with the one-hour that the 8th king will rule. That is also the hour of test. Everyone's everlasting destiny will be determined during that period. The masses who go with the beast will be marked with 666. Those who side with Christ will be saved.
This is why people will look to the 8th king as mankind’s saviour..a period without government as you said will be shocking so the rise of the 8th king people will look in awe to it?
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I can see how the 'sword stroke' means the collapse of civilization as you say, but I think that the great tribulation is a separate event that will be brought about by the beast after it revives, and will be directed against Christianity, which the beast will then trample and replace for 42 month as the disgusting thing standing in a holy place, as the fake kingdom of God on earth.
If that is how we are meant to understand it, and the great tribulation is God's judgment on Christianity, then faithful Christians are able to follow Jesus' instruction to 'flee to the mountains,' whereas if the great tribulation is the sword stroke on Satan's system, there is no chance of fleeing from that.
That's why I see the death stroke as affecting all people on earth indiscriminately, while the great tribulation, which comes 42 month later, will be on 'this people' [v 23b] only, namely Christianity, which will be the greatest persecution of God's nominal people ever - greater than what happened to Jerusalem in 70 AD, and never to happen again. Lu 21:20-24
If the sword stroke is meant to be the greatest tribulation ever, then the coming collapse of the system needs to wipe out a greater percentage of people than Noah's flood, and if we assume the pre-flood population to have been 8 million, then we end up with one in a million survivors back then, which would equate to 8000 survivors of the sword stroke in our day, in order to qualify as a greater catastrophe than the flood.
Please have a think about if this is not a better fit for all the pieces of the prophetic puzzle with fewer anomalies to reconcile, cheers.
יהוה_saves
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יהוה_saves
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The masses who go with the beast will be marked with 666. Those who side with Christ will be saved.
well, i for one know who i want to side with.
well, i for one know who i want to side with.
MickHewitt
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Correct!