Open Question From A Reader: When do the 42 Months Begin and End?

We are already in the 42 months, actually, roughly month 21 to be as close to exact as I can be. I find it funny how everyone gives their opinion on what scripture says, but not what scripture actually says. Reminds me of another scripture:

You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret. - Mt 16:3

The beginning of the 42 months was to be preceded by an event that was revealed to John in Revelation 12. In the first verses we see a woman in labor to give birth. This woman represents God's organization who is looking to give birth to Jesus and send him back to his Father. (Re 12:5) This action also fulfills John 16:7-15 BTW. When Jesus is "birthed" back to heaven all the information is revealed in the scriptures to pinpoint a rough time based on seeing what the world looks like. Jehovah gives us all the information we need to decipher the exact timeframe as to when all of this was to start. Back in Revelation 12:13-14 we read:

“Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.”

These 3 ½ times also equals the 1,260 days mentioned earlier in the chapter in verse 6:

“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.”

So here we establish that the 1,260 days (or 3½ years) starts when the Devil is cast to the earth and the woman flees to the wilderness, but what other things are said to happen around this number of 1,260 days? This number, or variants equaling it, is mentioned 7 times in the bible:

1) Daniel 7:25 - "He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time."

2) Daniel 12:6b-7 - “How long will it be to the end of these marvelous things?” Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was up above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left hand to the heavens and swore by the One who is alive forever: “It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time.”

3,4) Revelation 11:2-3 - “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months^. I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.”

^ This also equals 3½ years or 1,260 days.

5) Revelation 12:6 - (mentioned earlier) - “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days.”

6) Revelation 12:13-14 - “Now when the dragon saw that it had been hurled down to the earth, it persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is to be fed for a time and times and half a time away from the face of the serpent.”

7) Revelation 13:5 - "It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months."

And now we have a basis for the 1,260 days spanning scripture, but wait there’s more, because in Daniel we also have three other numbers.

Daniel 8:13-14 - “And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation continue, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?” So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”

Daniel 12:11-12 - “And from the time that the constant feature has been removed and the disgusting thing that causes desolation has been put in place, there will be 1,290 days. “Happy is the one who keeps in expectation and who arrives at the 1,335 days!”

Now we have to bring in the last reference. Remember earlier when we said that Jesus was going away to the Father and would have “nothing for himself”. Why do we bring that into play with this prophecy? Let us read about it:

Daniel 9:24-27 - “There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks. She will be restored and rebuilt, with a public square and moat, but in times of distress. “And after the 62 weeks, Messiah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. “And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. “And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease. “And on the wing of disgusting things there will be the one causing desolation; and until an extermination, what was decided on will be poured out also on the one lying desolate.”

As understood, the first 69 weeks (“weeks of years”) were fulfilled when Jesus arrived after Jerusalem was rebuilt, about 483 years later, but what about the 70th week? At a quick glance one could conclude that that had already been taken care of because obviously it was said that Jesus would “keep the covenant in force for one week” but that “at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease” and some think this to mean that he died roughly 3½ years into his ministry after being anointed by Holy Spirit.
 
I would incline to agree with the watchman ( moderator) often with prophecy we see it obviously as it’s full filled. Trying to keep spiritually awake and asking q’s . Good. ’thereclause’ in his above comments gets it right on the button. How exciting!
 
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Does 42 month period, or 3.5 years, (time, times and half a time) spoken of in Daniel and Revelation begin after the Great Tribulation ends, and does it end at the time that the holy ones are killed, or at or just prior to Armegeddon? Jesus preached for 3.5 years, so is the 42 months, the 3.5 years, the period when the anointed give the final witness of God's Kingdom and the judgment message to the world?

Or does the 42 month period start when the Great Tribulation begins and then ends, when?

Related Question: We know that Jehovah will cut short the days of the Great Tribulation on account of the chosen ones, or else no flesh would be saved. Do we know how long the Great Tribulation will last?

Open to any and all comments, answers on this topic.
I will see how this thread develops I posted a new thread, about the duration of the G/T. Be interested to know what develops? Maybe my query will be answered here?
 
Earlier in this thread on page 1, Sarah said: I asked a similar question about the tribulation on one of Robert’s articles on e watchman, he said there wasn’t a time period given for GT, the 42 months is after the tribulation

Seems the threads are getting lost.
Cheers I'll look for that.
 
Does 42 month period, or 3.5 years, (time, times and half a time) spoken of in Daniel and Revelation begin after the Great Tribulation ends, and does it end at the time that the holy ones are killed, or at or just prior to Armegeddon? Jesus preached for 3.5 years, so is the 42 months, the 3.5 years, the period when the anointed give the final witness of God's Kingdom and the judgment message to the world?

Or does the 42 month period start when the Great Tribulation begins and then ends, when?

Related Question: We know that Jehovah will cut short the days of the Great Tribulation on account of the chosen ones, or else no flesh would be saved. Do we know how long the Great

Does 42 month period, or 3.5 years, (time, times and half a time) spoken of in Daniel and Revelation begin after the Great Tribulation ends, and does it end at the time that the holy ones are killed, or at or just prior to Armegeddon? Jesus preached for 3.5 years, so is the 42 months, the 3.5 years, the period when the anointed give the final witness of God's Kingdom and the judgment message to the world?

Or does the 42 month period start when the Great Tribulation begins and then ends, when?

Related Question: We know that Jehovah will cut short the days of the Great Tribulation on account of the chosen ones, or else no flesh would be saved. Do we know how long the Great Tribulation will last?

Open to any and all comments, answers on this topic.
My understanding on the matter.

The tribulation of those days are the Seals being opened and the apocalyptic Horsemen are on the move in Revelations chapter 6 however those days are cut short or no flesh would be saved. Revelation
https://www.jw.org/en/libra...

Now immediately after the tribulations of those days the Sun the moon the stars will grow dark / crash - meaning the whole worldly political social system would have come to a complete obliteration thus making room for the 8th King to be put in place and I believe that's when the 42 months starts and culminates at Armageddon .

Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken>

Excerpted from- What is the Battle of Armageddon?
First, the great tribulation does not culminate at Armageddon. Jesus said very plainly that God will intervene to cut short the great tribulation, so there is an "interim" between the end of the tribulation and the war of the great day of God Almighty at the place called Armageddon.
To be sure, God will cut the tribulation short on account of the chosen ones. During the 42 month interval, those who have seen Christ will serve as his witnesses—symbolized in Revelation as the two witnesses. In Zechariah, (footnoted with the two witnesses in the
NWT) the two witnesses are said to be standing alongside the Lord of the whole earth. Are they in heaven? No. Revelation indicates they are very much on earth, being stalked by the beast. In what sense, then, are they standing next to the Lord of the whole earth? Turn it around—if they are standing next to the Lord of the world then the Lord is also standing next to them. And what does parousia mean in Greek? Here is what the Insight book states: Read more> https://e-watchman.com/what-is-the-battle-of-armageddon/#comment-5693466326
 
No argument from me about the eighth king not having seeing that it has not taken a hit.
 
QUOTE ARTICLE:
" . . . those who have seen Christ will serve as his witnesses . . . "
https://e-watchman.com/what-is-the-battle-of-armageddon/#comment-5693466326

I found this in Luke 17:22-30:

"Then," speaking about our day, "Jesus said to the disciples: 'Days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, but you will not see it" - this He said when He was face to face alongside His disciples - "and people will say to you, 'See there!' or, 'See here!' - anointed ones who claim to have seen Christ - "Do not go out or chase after them," because His coming would be public and out in the open just "like lightning," to be seen by everyone simultaneously around the globe, and "on that day" of His "coming on the clouds of heaven" it would be just like it was in Noah's time, at the point when "the flood arrived and destroyed them all," thus linking Christ's coming "on that day" with the destruction of mankind.

"Happy are those who do not see and yet believe," and bear witness to Him. Jno 20:29
 
I asked a similar question about the tribulation on one of Robert’s articles on e watchman, he said there wasn’t a time period given for GT, the 42 months is after the tribulation

Revelation 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+...14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,+ and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.+


Does the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and then go into the forty-two months?
 

Revelation 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+...14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,+ and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.+


Does the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and then go into the forty-two months?
I’m still learning, but I would say yes. I believe the 3.5 years is when the chosen ones will be announcing the coming destruction of Satan’s system and the success of God’s Kingdom. Then the chosen will be killed and all will be resurrected to heaven so that when Jesus comes to abyss Satan and eliminate all who have the mark of the beast and all human rulership (separating of sheep and goats at Armageddon) the 144,000 will all be there to do that with Jesus as resurrected co-rulers and warriors. So, as the above scripture states the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and are present during the 42 months. I’ll check Robert’s book to be certain and correct this if I find anything different.
 
I’m still learning, but I would say yes. I believe the 3.5 years is when the chosen ones will be announcing the coming destruction of Satan’s system and the success of God’s Kingdom. Then the chosen will be killed and all will be resurrected to heaven so that when Jesus comes to abyss Satan and eliminate all who have the mark of the beast and all human rulership (separating of sheep and goats at Armageddon) the 144,000 will all be there to do that with Jesus as resurrected co-rulers and warriors. So, as the above scripture states the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and are present during the 42 months. I’ll check Robert’s book to be certain and correct this if I find anything different.
and the eighth King rules for 42 months right?
 

Revelation 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+...14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,+ and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.+


Does the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and then go into the forty-two months?
The last paragraph in Chapter Six of Jehovah is King says: “According to virtually every prophetic book in the Bible, the arrival of Christ will result in a massive sifting and refining of all Christians during a time of great distress. That is when the genuine sign of Christ’s presence will become evident. Afterwards, there will be an outpouring of spirit and truth that will impel the chastised and humbled to embark on an intense preaching campaign that will serve to put the world on notice that the kingdom has finally arrived — “and then the end will come.”

It’s not as specific as my above post but I think it matches the timeline I mentioned.
 

Revelation 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+...14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation,+ and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.+


Does the great crowd come out of the great tribulation and then go into the forty-two months?
EZE 37: First 14 vs' talk of the restoration of' The Valley of Dry Bones' Who are they? Vs 11 'The Whole House of Israel' (annointed and other sheep). The subsequent vs' talk of the reconcilliation between (the Annointed and Other Sheep), comparing them as to 'two sticks 'who become one! Judah represents the annointed and Joseph other sheep.

THIS IS WHAT W/T SAY'S OF EZEKIEL 37 VALLEY OF DRY BONES!
Yet this very miracle was performed by Jehovah God in the modern-day history of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Like those dry bones, God’s people had been scattered during World War I, their headquarters in Brooklyn closed down, the officers of their publishing society put in prison for terms of 20 years and their field activity brought to a standstill. Back in 1918 and early in 1919, their situation seemed hopeless. But Jehovah remembered those faithful ambassadors of the Kingdom. In 1919 he revived them, just as he had foretold at Ezekiel 37:14:
 
and the eighth King rules for 42 months right?
That is my understanding that yes during the 3.5 years or 42 months that the chosen are on the preaching campaign that puts the world on notice that the Kingdom has finally arrived, the 8th King will be ruling simultaneously. And, the 8th King will in fact kill the chosen ones by the end of that time period. Then Revelation says their bodies will be on display for 3 1/2 days and then Armageddon, the execution of Satan’s system and those marked by/for the beast.
 
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