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Ach Tung
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So, the great tribulation is when the great crowd wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb?
Open Question From A Reader: When do the 42 Months Begin and End?
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SusanB
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In reading the scriptures I don’t see that it states a timing of their washing their robes in the blood of the lamb. First of all, look at the context. 4 angels holding back the winds of the earth. The sealing of the chosen ones is described, which sealing has likely been going on for around 2,000 years as they die, I assume they are sealed. It does not mean they are all sealed at the end, but who knows and that isn’t what is important. Anyway, John sees the great crowd in this vision and they are proclaiming their salvation is from God and the Lamb. So, one of the Elders asks John who are the ones in white robes. John humbly implies that he does not know and says “My lord, you are the one who knows..”. So, he says where they came from and how it is they have survived through the washing their robes, but it is not a timeline. They are both looking back at their “travels” and forward to how they will hunger no more and will be shepherded by the Lamb. It isn’t a timeline.
SusanB
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Dear Ach Tung, Your chosen name is interesting to say the least. Are you asking because you really want to know or is something else going on here?
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Ach Tung
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The way the Scriptures read it sounds like it is during the tribulation that the great crowd are said to wash their robes. I am just wanting to hear what others think. You said yourself that you don't seem to think that the Scriptures speak to the timing. So perhaps it is not during the tribulation that it is done.
SusanB
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It doesn’t say that. It’s good not to add anything. It just says the great crowd group came out of the great tribulation and also that they washed their robes in the blood of the lamb but it doesn’t state a time period for each of those events. The scriptures at Revelation 7 state that those things happened, which resulted in their salvation. But other scriptures show that what follows the Great Tribulation is the 3.5 years that the symbolic 2 witnesses prophesy. Then the 2 witnesses are killed, see Revelation 11. They are “resurrected” after 3.5 days, but remember much of Revelation is symbolic and so you have to understand more about the bible that just these verses. The final judging is at Armageddon when the sheep (the great crowd) will be separated from the goats (those with the mark of the beast). At Armageddon all those not written in the book of life will be executed, all human rulership will be destroyed, Satan will be abyssed and God Kingdom will start it’s 1,000 year rule without Satan or his followers to disrupt the peaceful conditions. Robert King, the person who hosts this forum, has a book, Jehovah Has Become King, a primer for the Apocalypse. You can find it at e-watchman.com down towards the bottom of the page. You can also find several videos and articles.
If I may ask, what is your level of bible knowledge?
Bklyn Kevin
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Lots of food for thought...
In the final part of the days you will clearly understand this
After the Tribulation in Those Days> https://e-watchman.com/after-the-tribulation-in-those-days/
A Detailed Summary of the Time of the End>https://e-watchman.com/a-detailed-summary/
The Final Witness – How Will People Respond?> https://e-watchman.com/the-final-witness-how-will-people-respond/
Who will survive Armageddon, and will it be a nuclear war?> https://e-watchman.com/who-will-survive-armageddon/
What is the meaning of prophetic chronology?> https://e-watchman.com/what-is-the-meaning-of-prophetic-chronology/
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Posstot
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Jawohl, that is a good question you ask, because how can they come out of the greatest tribulation ever, to then face another 3.5 years of global tyranny such as the world has never seen before, where no one will be able buy or sell who does not have the mark of the beast, and out of which the great crowd has then also still to 'come out of;' which leads me to believe that the great tribulation is actually happening during the 42 month that the revived beast rules the earth with an iron fist - before Christ's coming on the clouds of heaven - and where the great tribulation is, as Lu 21:20-24 has it, only "on this people," meaning Christianity, which is the present day 'Jerusalem,' that the Satanic beast wants to wipe out from the earth.
Bklyn Kevin
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Revelation 7:14 So right away I said to him: “My lord, you are the one who knows.” And he said to me: “These are the ones who "come out of the great tribulation", and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
SusanB
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Dear Posstot, Thank you for your input. I definitely don’t know the exact timing of everything but I think what is most important is to search for understanding and pray to Jehovah for his spirit AND not to forget that interpretations belong to Jehovah and we should not be dogmatic about anything that isn’t clearly stated in his word. He will fulfill his word as he has determined to do and we are observers and hopefully beneficiaries. Thanks again.
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Ach Tung
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I see you cited Lu 21:20-2420 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.+ 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,+ let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice* in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!+ For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations;+ and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations* until the appointed times of the nations* are fulfilled.+
According to those verses, Jerusalem is trampled on by the nations during a time of 'great distress'. It is said that they will be trampled until the appointed times are fulfilled. How long are the appointed times? Is this said time of 'great distress' the same as the 'great tribulation'?
SusanB
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Awesome. I love it. Thank you.
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Ach Tung
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Is that said 'time of great distress' that the refining takes place, is that the same being referred to at Lu 21:20-24?
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Posstot
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20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.+ 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,+ let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice* in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!+ For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations;+ and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations* until the appointed times of the nations* are fulfilled.+
According to those verses, Jerusalem is trampled on by the nations during a time of 'great distress'. It is said that they will be trampled until the appointed times are fulfilled. How long are the appointed times? Is this said time of 'great distress' the same as the 'great tribulation'?
Yes, the great tribulation is the trampling on 'Jerusalem,' as documented in Re 11:2, and lasts for 42 month, minus the 'cutting short' discount of Mat 24:22.
If 'Jerusalem' stood for the Christian congregation, which is the body of Christ, how could the anointed flee from themselves to the mountains?
Bklyn Kevin
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You asked "This brings up another question that I have asked elsewhere on this forum under the topic, "Has The Good News of the Kingdom Been Preached in all the Earth?
No I don't believe so because the constant feature is still in place, in other words the good news is still being preached according to Jehovah's goodwill.
When they put the disgusting thing in place and remove the constant feature then the preaching work would have come to its end but that is yet still in the future and has not happened yet.
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Posstot
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Yes, the anointed will see Christ when He comes immediately after the end of the great tribulation on the clouds of Heaven, but so, according to Jesus' own words - which we do well to believe - so are "all the tribes of the earth" going to see Him in power and great glory, just as the disciples saw in a vision 2000 years ago at the transfiguration; but this time it will be real, and eye witnessed by 8+ billion people, which is the good news of the kingdom that has to be preached in all the inhabited earth first, or before Jesus comes. Mat 24:29,30; 16:27,28; 17:1,2; 2 Pe 1:16
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Bklyn Kevin
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You asked "This brings up another question that I have asked elsewhere on this forum under the topic, "Has The Good News of the Kingdom Been Preached in all the Earth?
No I don't believe so because the constant feature is still in place, in other words the good news is still being preached according to Jehovah's goodwill.
When they put the disgusting thing in place and remove the constant feature then the preaching work would have come to its end but that is yet still in the future and has not happened yet.
What is the constant feature and when is it removed?- Read more> https://e-watchman.com/constant-feature-removed/
SusanB
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Wow, so beautifully written. Nice line up of great info.
SusanB
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I would say yes.
Bklyn Kevin
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Excerpted from -
What is the constant feature and when is it removed?
The stinging locusts of Revelation are released after the final sealing. (The locust of Revelation should not be confused with the locusts of Joel.) So, the holy place is brought into its right condition when the last of the called are chosen –sealed. And that harmonizes with the removal of the constant feature. How so? The conclusion of the preaching and disciple-making work means that the harvest phase begins. And during the harvest all the sons of the Kingdom are gathered into the storehouse; thus, precluding any more preaching and teaching. The final witness work will not be a message of salvation — but of certain doom for Satan’s world.> https://e-watchman.com/constant-feature-removed/The Final Witness – How Will People Respond?> https://e-watchman.com/the-final-witness-how-will-people-respond/
SusanB
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This is what I‘ve been looking for. I now see there are 2 different types of preaching. One being the preaching and disciple making that Jesus followers are engaged in but the final message with the chosen will be a message of certain doom for Satan’s world. It’s getting more in focus.